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Boomertown
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22214230 - 09/09/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not the old document. . .Quote:
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DaveyJones6911 said: heating the room? lol you must not pay the bill at your house...
I'm the only one that pays bills in my house, and I live in Canada. Figure that out.
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DaveyJones6911 said: as for fruiting temp, i have an old document saying one thing, and a contemporary post saying something significantly different. so what is the correct temp?
Not the old document. . .
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DaveyJones6911 said: and why would i fan cubes when they have a lower FAE requirement then pans, and i don't fan the pans?
Fanning is not FAE. Fanning is to start evaporation, which is why we do it only after misting. I wouldn't mist pans, so I wouldn't fan them either.
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DaveyJones6911 said: and do i understand correctly that the one flaw of the PMP is the lack of FAE?
If you don't have one built yet they are also more costly to build than a SGFC. Like cron said a constantly saturated RH is not good. Tho the poor FAE alone is reason enough to me to not bother with one. . .
You seem pretty argumentative for someone who needs help. I will stop helping at this point. Cron, PF, he is all yours . . .

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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22214272 - 09/09/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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DaveyJones6911 said: heating the room? lol you must not pay the bill at your house...
I'm the only one that pays bills in my house, and I live in Canada. Figure that out.
Ohhhh yesss I was waiting for this.
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: Inocuole]
#22214605 - 09/09/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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don't insult my intelligence by acting like i should do what i'm told without question. i am here to learn not to blindly follow orders.
uknow what, why am i even being nice about this?
i know a couple of trolls then i see them. especially when they are so obvious, and so obviously bad at it.
get lost kids, grown ups are talking.
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there are grown ups on this site??? where?!?!
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: blindingleaf] 1
#22214615 - 09/09/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Now anyone who doesn't put up with your argumentative style of learning is a troll, huh? I've NEVER heard that one before. 
I swear there's a factory cranking these shits out and sending them here.
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22214617 - 09/09/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm the only one that pays bills in my house, and I live in Canada. Figure that out.
you are selling the shrooms for a profit? canada has free heating? i'm not sure what i'm supposed to get, but where i live the idea of heating the room 24/7 and when i am away is ridiculously expensive.
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Not the old document. . .
ok, that answers half my question. what exactly is the temperature range for fruiting pans?
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Fanning is not FAE. Fanning is to start evaporation, which is why we do it only after misting. I wouldn't mist pans, so I wouldn't fan them either.
ok got it, but then if humidity is high enough there is no need to mist and/or fan correct?
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You seem pretty argumentative for someone who needs help. I will stop helping at this point.
don't get all pissy because i don't blindly follow your orders mein fuhrer, i am simply trying to understand the how and why. and there is a difference between helping and telling people what to do. and i am not arguing anything, that's an honest and honestly simple question; is there an advantage of the SGFC besides the improved FAE?
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Inocuole
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DaveyJones6911 said: that's an honest and honestly simple question; is there an advantage of the SGFC besides the improved FAE?
You're only asking this so that you can find a way to cut corners. If you intended to use the SGFC you would just use it, but instead you're trying to find a way to modify the PMP, otherwise you wouldn't be asking that.
Also don't ever talk about selling here or you can see yourself out. Or cron or PF can see you out if you're feeling frisky.
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: Inocuole]
#22214630 - 09/09/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Now anyone who doesn't put up with your argumentative style of learning is a troll, huh? I've NEVER heard that one before. 
I swear there's a factory cranking these shits out and sending them here.
get over yourself dude.
i am trying to understand, and i find it rather insulting and disappointing to find that such help has to come at the price of having to stroke your egos, only to be fed to the trolls when i fail to do so by blindly obeying the commands i am given.
also kind of ironic considering the context of these forums...
you guys need to re-examine your understanding of the words 'help' and 'learning'.
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take a bottle or jar of moist anything and close it
the humidity will be high.
humidity is only one factor in mushroom growing, and an important one it is...
but humidity has no relation to c02. u can have high Rh and high co2. u can have high Rh and low co2.
that is the difference btw SGFC and PMP.
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: Inocuole]
#22214638 - 09/09/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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DaveyJones6911 said: that's an honest and honestly simple question; is there an advantage of the SGFC besides the improved FAE?
You're only asking this so that you can find a way to cut corners. If you intended to use the SGFC you would just use it, but instead you're trying to find a way to modify the PMP, otherwise you wouldn't be asking that.
Also don't ever talk about selling here or you can see yourself out. Or cron or PF can see you out if you're feeling frisky.
there you go again with the premise that i should simply do what i am told. and you think not doing it the 'approved' way is cutting corners?
what is wrong with you?
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Inocuole
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I honestly don't know but you know what's not wrong with me? I know good advice when I see it and I don't have to ask questions that make it sound like the person advising me is wrong.
Can you really not imagine being tired of arguing the facts with people who just want to bring "elitism" and such into it? It's like trying to explain evolution to a fundie christian who's already set on not believing it.
Heating pads are bad, heating the room is good. PMPs are bad, SGFCs are good.
Things CAN be simple.
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: blindingleaf]
#22214646 - 09/09/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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blindingleaf said: take a bottle or jar of moist anything and close it
the humidity will be high.
humidity is only one factor in mushroom growing, and an important one it is...
but humidity has no relation to c02. u can have high Rh and high co2. u can have high Rh and low co2.
that is the difference btw SGFC and PMP.
thank you
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I got no prob locking this shit....
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Pastywhyte
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: Pastywhyte] 2
#22214670 - 09/09/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Read this for fruiting cakes.
10 year old prints are probably not viable. You could try em but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Steaming for 90 min will be fine for brf and manure. Its grains that we need to be using pressure. Being below sea level will only be in your favor. Its higher elevations where water boils at a lower temp that will be tricky for steaming.
Welcome back to the hobby 
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Pastywhyte said: Fanning by hand is not FAE. Cubes require 3-6 air exchanges per hour. Unless you plan to fan that many times around the clock the extra fanning is not providing FAE. It may however dry the cakes out. Passive systems are better than manual or automatic. Hand fanning is meant to remove humide air and encourage evaporation. Too much is detremental.
If you really are dead set on making a PMP work for pans, look up posts by Blue Helix. He used a heavily modified PMP set up for his pan grows and they were indeed excellent. It only took him a few years to get it dialed in properly. But once he got it right it was Impressive.
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DaveyJones6911 said: so hw did people grow pans before the SGFC came along?
Less adequately....
Here is the crux of this whole thread. You asked:
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DaveyJones6911 said: -What's new? any particular 'must read' items you guys recommend i check out?
Well whats new is that we figured out that good FAE is a lot more important than we had been giving it credit for. Even for more CO2 tolerant species like cubes, good FAE improved pinset and yield. The best pan grows from a decade ago were and still are done in a greenhouse. But the SGFC is a big improvement over the PMP, one that will help your cube cakes shine as well. Its why I suggested it.
Pans have also been done in monotubs, usually modified for extra FAE beyond what you would configure for a cube set up. Monotubs are a bit newer as well as they came into use in 2005. Monotubs are meant for bulk grows tho, which is why I never mentioned it.
I bring it up because the 3 most common fruiting chambers today are monotubs, greenhouses, and SGFC. Very few people use a PMP anymore simply because they do not perform anywhere as well as those aforementioned chambers.
Anyway I can tell you want to use your PMP. Its understandable as you already have it and its what you know. But do me a favor, when your pans don't pin or your cubes end up lanky with fuzzy feet and small caps, don't make a new thread asking why. Just read this one again 
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DaveyJones6911 said: meh i'm not married to the pmp, but i want to see what my options are.
so i have some more questions:
with the holes in the bottom, is there not a need for dripping tray?
and isn't it hard to keep the moisture level up? seems like the pearlite would dry out quickly.
is there a way to wick water from another container to the pearlite?
are there any alternatives to pearlite? could geolite work?
and what does this do to the humidity of the room the tub sits in? humidity is generally high here already.
a random THC induced idea: what about a living culture of sphagnum? i guess it would acidify the water too much huh?
The water will be held by the perlite, no need for a drip.
Depending on the RH the perlite can remain moist for up to six weeks. My area is super dry and my SGFC stays moist for 10 days.
Lots of things can work other than perlite. The hydroton or geolite in your PMP will work. Could use gravel if you had too.
It will not affect the RH of the room its in.
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Pastywhyte said: You will need to mist and fan your cubes. I wouldn't mist pans. If your worried about temps being too low for pans then heat the room not the chamber.
Really? Show me the ego. The demands. The lack of explanation. Read my posts. READ.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: cronicr]
#22214677 - 09/09/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said: I got no prob locking this shit....
Won't hurt my feeling. OP should take his fragile self over to topia where they will praise his PMP and stringy fruits
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22214684 - 09/09/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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DaveyJones6911
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: Inocuole]
#22214689 - 09/09/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: I don't know but you know what's not wrong with me? I know good advice when I see it and I don't have to ask questions that make it sound like the person advising me is wrong.
that is the result of the person (or some yahoo identifying with that person) is arrogant enough to think that his way is the only way, that there is nothing left to learn or experiment and that he cannot indeed be wrong.
i am sorry to threaten your ego, but i want to learn how and why, and maybe the best way just doesn't suit me. maybe i want something with less maintenance or maybe i just want to inventory exactly what my options are. and maybe i am willing to make concessions you are not for the sake of things you may not care about but i might.
there are many reasons i might not do it the way you would or think i should, and almost none of them reflects on the people who answer my questions in any way.
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DaveyJones6911 said:
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Inocuole said: I don't know but you know what's not wrong with me? I know good advice when I see it and I don't have to ask questions that make it sound like the person advising me is wrong.
that is the result of the person (or some yahoo identifying with that person) is arrogant enough to think that his way is the only way, that there is nothing left to learn or experiment and that he cannot indeed be wrong.
i am sorry to threaten your ego, but i want to learn how and why, and maybe the best way just doesn't suit me. maybe i want something with less maintenance or maybe i just want to inventory exactly what my options are. and maybe i am willing to make concessions you are not for the sake of things you may not care about but i might.
there are many reasons i might not do it the way you would or think i should, and almost none of them reflects on the people who answer my questions in any way.
a sgfc is the least maintained fc for cakes. Mist a couple times a day and if you cant do that this hobby is not for u
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Inocuole
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Okay then.
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DaveyJones6911
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22214711 - 09/09/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said: I got no prob locking this shit....
Won't hurt my feeling. OP should take his fragile self over to topia where they will praise his PMP and stringy fruits

MY fragile ego???
i think you homed in on the problem, but you have it ass backwards. you are taking my not following your advice to the letter way to personally.
like i said there are many possible reasons i might try alternative methods. and i don't need a reason to want to understand the method that i am advised to use.
and i already said i wasn't married to the PMP. i believe that's called redactio ad absurdum.
look I AM NOT SAYING YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT ANY OF THIS ok? so relax! i have my own reasons for wanting to experiment and they have nothing to do with you.
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