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DaveyJones6911
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So it's been a little while...
#22205725 - 09/08/15 04:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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After about 10 years i started growing some shrooms again and i have a couple of questions:
-What's new? any particular 'must read' items you guys recommend i check out?
-I have a bunch of 10yo cubensis spore prints. is there any point in trying any of them?
-i am going to try growing some Pan. cyan using PF method with cow manure. how does manure sterilise without a PC? would repeatedly cooking the jars 3 times in 24 hour intervals do it? (i am below sea level, so that helps)
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Pastywhyte
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Read this for fruiting cakes.
10 year old prints are probably not viable. You could try em but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Steaming for 90 min will be fine for brf and manure. Its grains that we need to be using pressure. Being below sea level will only be in your favor. Its higher elevations where water boils at a lower temp that will be tricky for steaming.
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22205755 - 09/08/15 05:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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if you get a syringe cap and a thick red rubber band, you can make up a spore syringe and try re hydrating the spores. Just put the cap on the syringe and put the rubber band over the top and onto the plunger so it pushes it down and leave it like that for 24 hours.
Other then that try and trade for a new print, and good luck
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DaveyJones6911
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thanks 
that's good to hear about the manure, that will save me a lot of time.  i am currently going trough a process of sterilising rye by steaming for 3 hours every 24 hours 3 times to see if i can do it.
i have my fruiting chamber set up already. i think it was once called the 'poor man's pod' :P it's your basic plastic tub + geolite + bubbly pump setup. though later today i should be receiving a thermostat for a heat mat i have for a minor upgrade.
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: PanzerCubed]
#22205769 - 09/08/15 05:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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PanzerCubed said: if you get a syringe cap and a thick red rubber band, you can make up a spore syringe and try re hydrating the spores. Just put the cap on the syringe and put the rubber band over the top and onto the plunger so it pushes it down and leave it like that for 24 hours.
Other then that try and trade for a new print, and good luck 
no worries, i already ordered some fresh spores n stuff.
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Pastywhyte
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FYI a PMP will perform terrible for pans and only barely adequate for cubes. No one uses them these days because the FAE is so terrible in them.
Also an 8 hour steam is better for rye but if you do tyndalize I believe its far better to steam every 12-18 hours. 24 hours allows too many bacteria to germinate and it becomes harder to kill them all.
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22205829 - 09/08/15 06:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've had 4 year old prints work so give yours a go, you might want to try them. You may be pleasantly surprised.
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Edited by Laughingcowwa (09/08/15 06:15 AM)
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DaveyJones6911
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22205924 - 09/08/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: FYI a PMP will perform terrible for pans and only barely adequate for cubes. No one uses them these days because the FAE is so terrible in them.
Also an 8 hour steam is better for rye but if you do tyndalize I believe its far better to steam every 12-18 hours. 24 hours allows too many bacteria to germinate and it becomes harder to kill them all.
i never had any problems with the PMP and cubensis myself. what would you recommend for pans?
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A SGFC would be good, read the link I gave you. It will make pans really happy. Also perhaps you don't really care either way but for many there is a big difference between getting a flush with cubes, and having healthy happy fruits with a high BE. Cubes have been known to fruit in trash cans and toilets, they can also fruit in a PMP. But its far from optimal.
Like I said its all about what you're happy with. If you feel your PMP is up to the task then have at it. But there are better options. You asked whats new. Well the SGFC is far from new but, it is recommended a lot for good reason.
Anyway good luck and keep us posted
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DaveyJones6911
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i think i will use the pmp and additionally fan by hand to see if it makes a difference. if it does maybe ill ad a fan or something.
as for the pans, ill have to do some more research.
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DaveyJones6911 said: i think i will use the pmp and additionally fan by hand to see if it makes a difference. if it does maybe ill ad a fan or something.
as for the pans, ill have to do some more research.
We do not fan for FAE, you would need to fan several times per hour......
Do not add a fan, build a proper fruiting chamber that provides the needed amount of FAE.
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Fanning by hand is not FAE. Cubes require 3-6 air exchanges per hour. Unless you plan to fan that many times around the clock the extra fanning is not providing FAE. It may however dry the cakes out. Passive systems are better than manual or automatic. Hand fanning is meant to remove humide air and encourage evaporation. Too much is detremental.
If you really are dead set on making a PMP work for pans, look up posts by Blue Helix. He used a heavily modified PMP set up for his pan grows and they were indeed excellent. It only took him a few years to get it dialed in properly. But once he got it right it was Impressive.
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22208450 - 09/08/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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are the pearlite and holes in the bottom necessary?
i think i remember seeing people grow pans with the substrate right in the bottom of the fruiting chamber itself, instead of a tray. could i do that and just add the holes on the sides and top?
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DaveyJones6911 said: are the pearlite and holes in the bottom necessary?
Everything in the tek is necessary....
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DaveyJones6911 said: i think i remember seeing people grow pans with the substrate right in the bottom of the fruiting chamber itself, instead of a tray. could i do that and just add the holes on the sides and top?
No...
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: PussyFart]
#22208567 - 09/08/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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so how did people grow pans before the SGFC came along?
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DaveyJones6911 said: so how did people grow pans before the SGFC came along?
Less adequately....
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Pastywhyte
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PussyFart said:
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DaveyJones6911 said: so hw did people grow pans before the SGFC came along?
Less adequately....
Here is the crux of this whole thread. You asked:
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DaveyJones6911 said: -What's new? any particular 'must read' items you guys recommend i check out?
Well whats new is that we figured out that good FAE is a lot more important than we had been giving it credit for. Even for more CO2 tolerant species like cubes, good FAE improved pinset and yield. The best pan grows from a decade ago were and still are done in a greenhouse. But the SGFC is a big improvement over the PMP, one that will help your cube cakes shine as well. Its why I suggested it.
Pans have also been done in monotubs, usually modified for extra FAE beyond what you would configure for a cube set up. Monotubs are a bit newer as well as they came into use in 2005. Monotubs are meant for bulk grows tho, which is why I never mentioned it.
I bring it up because the 3 most common fruiting chambers today are monotubs, greenhouses, and SGFC. Very few people use a PMP anymore simply because they do not perform anywhere as well as those aforementioned chambers.
Anyway I can tell you want to use your PMP. Its understandable as you already have it and its what you know. But do me a favor, when your pans don't pin or your cubes end up lanky with fuzzy feet and small caps, don't make a new thread asking why. Just read this one again
Edited by Pastywhyte (09/08/15 07:05 PM)
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DaveyJones6911
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22209104 - 09/08/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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meh i'm not married to the pmp, but i want to see what my options are.
so i have some more questions:
with the holes in the bottom, is there not a need for dripping tray?
and isn't it hard to keep the moisture level up? seems like the pearlite would dry out quickly.
is there a way to wick water from another container to the pearlite?
are there any alternatives to pearlite? could geolite work?
and what does this do to the humidity of the room the tub sits in? humidity is generally high here already.
a random THC induced idea: what about a living culture of sphagnum? i guess it would acidify the water too much huh?
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22209159 - 09/08/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Definitley don't mean to threadjack but would you want a bit extra FAE for PS. Mexicana too? I just spawned Ps. Mex to a monotub like litterally ten minutes ago, first time working with them past a plate
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Re: So it's been a little while... [Re: mushpunx]
#22209219 - 09/08/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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mushpunx said: Definitley don't mean to threadjack but would you want a bit extra FAE for PS. Mexicana too? I just spawned Ps. Mex to a monotub like litterally ten minutes ago, first time working with them past a plate
no worries, i also would like to know that. while we are at it, what about P. tampanensis? any advances in growing either of these for actual mushrooms instead of sclerotia?
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