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PNW Pan Cincts....finally?
#22204907 - 09/07/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Habitat: Well fertilized pasture. Horse dung everywhere. Spore print color: Black Bruising: None Other information: All info should be shown by pictures.
Other mushroom was found gregariously on wood chips and I really am counting on these particular wood chips to fruit something interesting this season so I am curious to know what they might be and if they can tell me something about this particular chip bed. Awaiting spore print from the white unidentified.
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     Species Found: Gymnopilus Luteofolius ~ Panaeolus Cinctulus ~ Psilocybe Baeocystis ~ Psilocybe Cyanescens ~ Psilocybe cyanofibrillosa ~ Psilocybe Semilanceata ~ Psilocybe Stuntzii
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: FryersQuest]
#22204982 - 09/07/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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dont look like cincts to me, the last 3 pics i have seen many times and arent edible
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: ithernet]
#22205087 - 09/07/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know the last 3 arent edible. But how do the first three not look like cincts...they printed black.
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: ithernet]
#22205122 - 09/07/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The young and small one printed brown and was a Foe.
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: FryersQuest]
#22205467 - 09/08/15 01:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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We must be on the same page!! I found some tonight that look like those first ones. I got em printing now till the morning but in the field they deposited some real black spores. My research on Panaeolus cinctulus is that they are pretty common in all states, and I kno I've seen these before..... keep researching as will I on these.. It's more now that my hobby is ramping up & I'm looking at all and want to learn 
I posted em here for id = more pics http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22204404
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: Mushrello]
#22205497 - 09/08/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm printing these harder right now.....the black just isn't coming through in pictures that well.
So you would agree they are cincts then?
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: FryersQuest]
#22205529 - 09/08/15 01:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Look like cints or foes imo, only prints will tell. Draw a black Sharpie squiggle next to the cap to compare with when you lift it.
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: FryersQuest]
#22205551 - 09/08/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not @ 100% just yet.. I am hoping cints and Alans first thought on mine were that.. but i would like to hear from others who have had some more experience with these chiming in. Like dosage and smell. (these are very more mushroomry smellin than the stuntz) I'm scouring shroomery and anyone on Google with info about these. Spores should tell if we're in the ballpark because anything but black and it's a foe. There are other signs to look for with a bending not straight stem? I just want to see blue and that will be my 'OK I'm convinced'. have you researched foes yet... pretty interesting....
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: Mushrello]
#22205572 - 09/08/15 02:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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At the end of the day....when the gills and cap don't give answers...I can pretty much say that the stem is way different from the foes I have found. It is sturdy and doesn't snap. The reddish color at the base is apparent. I am all but certain they are cincts. The print is black....unless my mind deceives me....In the morning it will be darker so we will see. I assume yours had black prints?
Edit: I see actually in your pictures you conveniently had a mushroom overlap that clarified the black prints. Yours are Cincts for sure....right? And honestly at this point the similarities of Foes vs Cincts are a little maddening. I remember looking for these 7 years ago (I had to the east side of the mountains, terrible mushroom picking FYI) or so and they were called P. Subbalteatus. I remember just not even trying back then because I always thought I found them but they were Foes. I have gotten better at identifying since then but it still is really annoying,
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: Mushrello]
#22205584 - 09/08/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Smash the cints feet with a good hard pinch when they're fresh, often the good ones will blue a lil. The rest of the mushroom doesn't often bruise well. And the black spores are black like the emptiness of space once you see a good black print you'll get a feel for it.
Foes are often more frail and rarely seem to have red in the stem. But growing conditions can make fools of the best of us.
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: FryersQuest]
#22205589 - 09/08/15 02:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just lifted a cap and it appears pretty black, they're dumping good at the moment. In the morning my vision will b clearer. . I can't wait to go for a walk n get more photos and shrooms for further study thanks N05482 I shall try that. Nite all
Edited by Mushrello (09/08/15 02:18 AM)
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: N05482]
#22205594 - 09/08/15 02:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advice. And yeah like I said...these stems are built tough. Foes have really fragile stems IME. Still learning
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: FryersQuest]
#22205814 - 09/08/15 06:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The first 3 pics look legit, though I dunno why someone in the PNW would go for cincts, no offense. You need like 50 of them.
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: Peteza34]
#22206526 - 09/08/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Peteza34 said: The first 3 pics look legit, though I dunno why someone in the PNW would go for cincts, no offense. You need like 50 of them.
50 is an understatement
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Cincts for sure. Just wanted to find them...scratvh it off the list
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: FryersQuest]
#22207599 - 09/08/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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F or real, and there are alot of people looking for cinct prints for trade. I collect cincts during off seasons because they grow everywhere around me. Its nice to see actives in the PNW when its 90 degrees and up
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: Fert Nitty]
#22207612 - 09/08/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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grats on knocking cincts off your list. You should go grab a foe and compare the gills and stem color/texture and you should be cool on differentiating between the two
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: Fert Nitty]
#22207987 - 09/08/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I knew pretty much right when I saw them they were Cincts. What I think really gets difficult is differentiating them when they are young. I still can't tell if the young one I found was a Foe or Cinct because it didn't print well enough. These are some key differences I noted on the two that I think might help....
Farinaceous (cucumber/mealy) scent differs from Foe's unpleasant nutty scent.
"Gill edges white and slightly fringed" - Look at the picture I took and I am pretty sure that is the white mottling that is discussed.
Also apparently the taste between Foe and Cinct is apparent. (if you are willing)
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WTF....Shroomery is saying Cincts are stronger than blue ringers....?
Pan Cincts:
Lvl.1 1.2g Lvl.2 2.2g Lvl.3 3.8g Lvl.4 6.0g Lvl.5 8.0g
Stuntzii:
Lvl.1 2.7g Lvl.2 4.6g Lvl.3 8.1g Lvl.4 12.1g Lvl.5 16.8g
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: FryersQuest]
#22208090 - 09/08/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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P. stuntzii are pretty weak, also some mushrooms lose a lot more potency when dried than others. I'm pretty sure they use dried mushrooms to check for active compounds. P. baeocystis is barely active when dried.
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: FryersQuest]
#22208708 - 09/08/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Great SUCCESS! !!! That is awesome I see u posted to the thread too, good move! My prints are in and they seem to be brown after they dried. I don't mind having a foe it's another I'd crossed off my list and I'm adding it to my ethnobotanical garden. I should of done the smear technique after i got a photo of that one. ( I was too excited) Wet they were dark but now it's milk choclate.
 Side note I had 4 to 5 fresh lawn stuntzii stems last night and had a nice Mello evening. I'm a lightweight i go lvl 1 to 2 plus if I want to go a bit higher a bong hit will do for that moment 
the caps are printing I want to Johnny Sporeseed them in lawns around here
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: Mushrello]
#22208871 - 09/08/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude....I am blown away that yours weren't Cincts. Goes to show how annoying these are to ID....at least for novices like myself.
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: FryersQuest]
#22208895 - 09/08/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The foes are real
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: antity]
#22209008 - 09/08/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fiend or foe?? (Misfits humor) I'm happy with my find and hell yes these are a hard buggr to ID they look like most cints that I'm researching so I don't kno. These smelled very shroomy and the stem.. hollow .. were pretty brittle compared to other species. I got prints and will work my magic to add them to mi garden & will be able to further study em at a closer distance. My next investment after a macro lense for the phone is a microscope that takes pics of the slides!! Oh My!! Happy Hunting
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: Mushrello]
#22209888 - 09/08/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What smear technique? And why print on foil?
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Re: PNW Pan Cincts....finally? [Re: FryersQuest]
#22209976 - 09/08/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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touch the cap where it got covered by its Bro and check out the color of the spore print on your finger that way by smearing it. Or rubbing it onto something white.
I take prints on foil so I can dry it and store them. It's easier to scrape off when you want to grow them on agar or to swish em in a bottle and spread them in your own yard  I used glass but then you have to scrape it up and store in a container. Make sure their labeled well
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