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Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees 2
#22203981 - 09/07/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Look what's happening in Greece, Crazy shit.
Is the Golden Dawn party their only way out of this mess?
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Hobozen]
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Hobozen]
#22204752 - 09/07/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Greece has been on vacation way too long anyway
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: zZZz]
#22204897 - 09/07/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shit just keeps getting crazier and crazier. Now apparently Russian military is moving into Syria, with one of their subs carrying 200 nukes and 20 ICBMs on its way
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Hobozen]
#22204978 - 09/07/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nukes lol
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Konyap]
#22204992 - 09/07/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought this was going to be about lesbians
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: my3rdeye]
#22204999 - 09/07/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is about as exciting as lesbians
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Hobozen]
#22205005 - 09/07/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've played to many videogames to know that all out war is pretty much just roulette at the casino, something as simple as policing would mean an infinite supply of roadside bombs courtesy of china and africa
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Konyap]
#22205014 - 09/07/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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who the fuck knows
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Konyap]
#22205132 - 09/07/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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watch this dude try to help out refugees 
they're a bunch of barbarians
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Adolin]
#22205170 - 09/07/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i love how he's all
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Adolin]
#22205177 - 09/07/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Starving people will do pretty much anything for food.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: nicechrisman] 1
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Honestly, you can't blame the refugees, they're just trying to survive. Have you ever read Night? It's a book about the a firsthand experience of the holocaust. They were being moved in train cars, and germans were tossing in pieces of bread, and the prisoners were beating each other over such a small piece.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Achillita]
#22205253 - 09/07/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This guy is ranting. He's pretty pissed off about the immigrants!
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Achillita]
#22205264 - 09/08/15 12:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why does evey picture seem like an army of young men. Most of them think they are getting to germany which is a good laugh. Funny how you dont blame them yet they seem to have taken the easy way out and become a burden on others. They could have chosen to fight and try and fix the fucked up shit whole of a country they call a homeland. I mean for fuck sake and they expect the rest of the world to roll out a red carpet. I mean and its for fuck it all sake. Listen to almost any of those refugees its sickening they only care about themselves and thier stupid families they cant even feed. jesus how much is this shitshow gonna cost the world. good job again middle east :awederp:
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#22205285 - 09/08/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What do you think?
Edit: description change.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 1
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Why does evey picture seem like an army of young men. Most of them think they are getting to germany which is a good laugh. Funny how you dont blame them yet they seem to have taken the easy way out and become a burden on others. They could have chosen to fight and try and fix the fucked up shit whole of a country they call a homeland. I mean for fuck sake and they expect the rest of the world to roll out a red carpet. I mean and its for fuck it all sake. Listen to almost any of those refugees its sickening they only care about themselves and thier stupid families they cant even feed. jesus how much is this shitshow gonna cost the world. good job again middle east :awederp:
Are you serious or just being sarcastic?
A lot of people don't wanna die. They don't want the ones they love to die. Syria is a warzone. Would you be willing to have your family and yourself at risk because you decided to stay where there is constant conflict and bombs being dropped?
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Achillita]
#22205357 - 09/08/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I enjoyed the video Wongburger posted, it has some very good back and forth between one person.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Achillita]
#22205365 - 09/08/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I look at it way diffrent than you. I wouldnt care about putting myself at risk. You see at that point my life as I knew it i already over. But if run and do nothing you know what will happen? Someone elses life will be ruined and many more terrible things. Someone has to fucking fight injustice like what is happening to people there.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 3
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I think it's easy to talk like that when you aren't actually faced with the situation.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: MoxyOx]
#22205375 - 09/08/15 12:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks. I did not think it was a bad video. Its the views of a European. This is how some of them feel about the situation. I think its important we hear the story from how they feel and think about it as well as others.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Konyap] 1
#22205410 - 09/08/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Konyap said: Stupid fucks reproduce and export their useless ness
About a third of them are highly educated and as such, they represent a normal population in terms of education level. If we can manage to have them apply their knowledge and skills in European society, they may constitute an asset to the European economy. Especially in the northern half of Europe, wich has just committed to receiving the major share of the immigrants, there is still a high demand for highly educated personnel. The challenges ahead are great, but given that about half of them are likely to stick around, we better find ways to make them fit into western society.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: nicechrisman]
#22205421 - 09/08/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: I think it's easy to talk like that when you aren't actually faced with the situation.
Yea, he's got big balls typing that kind of shit over the internet.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: MoxyOx]
#22205452 - 09/08/15 01:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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We all make choices.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#22205464 - 09/08/15 01:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also not to mention, most warzones have little to no food. Any dropped are usually taken ad not distributed. If you don't get out, you'd probably starve before you're ever able to fight back...
Also bombs, machines guns, robbers, theifs, snipers, ect. Warzones are dangerous, of course people got out of there.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Achillita]
#22205478 - 09/08/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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With no weapons, training or a desire to fight, these people stand no chance at all against a bunch of insane zealots that are armed to the teeth. Obviously they would flee.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: MoxyOx]
#22205490 - 09/08/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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MoxyOx said: I enjoyed the video Wongburger posted, it has some very good back and forth between one person.
"An excess of empathy is a sin and a crime."
"do not use the public purse to subsidize your own moral self-congratulation. invite them into your house, pay for them yourself, but do not burden the public purse"
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: koraks]
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theres no food there anyway have you ever even been to the middle east? jus about every home has a Kalashnikov in the closet. Jus because you are displaced doesnt mean you fucking smuggle yourself across a continent into germany.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#22205500 - 09/08/15 01:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You have absolutely no clue about the actual situation in Syria and the geopolitical context, do you?
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: koraks]
#22205508 - 09/08/15 01:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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no ive been following it from the begining the rebels have guns now after fucking people have been gettng mowed down by machine guns for a few years till people took notice. I was calling for a un colitiontion to nip this in the bud what seems like years ago but people think im dumb so idfk
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Hobozen]
#22205512 - 09/08/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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"these rights are fine crystal, and when all these people come on and stampede through, what happens to fine crystal when a bunch of bulls come through? you just end up with a lot of broken glass"
what happens when other middle eastern countries go to shit, Europe should just let all those refugees in too? how about africa, might as well pile them in there too? because that seems to be the direction we're headed.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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It's a deadlock situation. A UN coalition (which is essentially in place now, with both the UK and France having announced military intervention in Syria) may help, but would open a whole new can of worms. There's no real solution really.
Btw, the mowing down of people a few years ago was by Assad's army, as you probably are aware of. The continued conflict has created a climate in which IS could gain a foothold and now we're having to deal with a monster worse than Assad. The west is struggling to do anything about it as it would mean we would radically change our policies towards Assad who we insisted we would never help previously. It's a sort of reverse Saddam Hussein thing.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Hobozen]
#22205515 - 09/08/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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People said the same thing about jewish refugees...(well atleast similar things)
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: koraks]
#22205532 - 09/08/15 01:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koraks said: It's a deadlock situation. A UN coalition (which is essentially in place now, with both the UK and France having announced military intervention in Syria) may help, but would open a whole new can of worms. There's no real solution really.
Btw, the mowing down of people a few years ago was by Assad's army, as you probably are aware of. The continued conflict has created a climate in which IS could gain a foothold and now we're having to deal with a monster worse than Assad. The west is struggling to do anything about it as it would mean we would radically change our policies towards Assad who we insisted we would never help previously. It's a sort of reverse Saddam Hussein thing.
The problem is its a total shit storm and nobody noes who to trust. One side claimes the other uses chemical weopons and vise versa. A militia your arming one day is killing you with them the next. The UN and US for that matter really dropped the ball i mean we have videos of protesters marching into tanks and getting picked off by trained sharpshooters. But because obama is a pussy and the world constantly getting pissed at the US nothing fucking happedened and now look at it.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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The US intervening will create new problems as you well know. There's just no solution.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#22205535 - 09/08/15 01:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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fuck russia n china too
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 1
#22205537 - 09/08/15 01:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Chinese are like in situations like these
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: koraks]
#22205567 - 09/08/15 01:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wonder how much money places like turkey and hungry stand to make behind this "crisis"
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Hobozen]
#22205573 - 09/08/15 02:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Militant extremeists take over a country and make life hell for some of it's inhabitants.
Only real difference is that the nazis were heavily organized.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Achillita]
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i think i get your point.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Hobozen]
#22205616 - 09/08/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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good listen
U.S. Prepares Troops And Puts Pressure On Greece To Block Russian Flights To Syria - Episode 760b
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Achillita]
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Achillita said: Militant extremeists take over a country and make life hell for some of it's inhabitants.
Only real difference is that the nazis were heavily organized.
Well, that and probably that the nazis targeted a few select groups, while IS manages to make the territory they control a living hell for just about anybody.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: koraks]
#22207202 - 09/08/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's terrible. Yet 90% of the people I talk to in person have no idea why this is happening (the fighting and refugees). It seem's like people are just in the dark.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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I thought this shit was a bad idea in 2012... as did anyone else who was in the military.
Most people don't even bother to read the paper and when they do they always manage to say the dumbest shit to the most amount of people.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Hobozen]
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blankk said: "these rights are fine crystal, and when all these people come on and stampede through, what happens to fine crystal when a bunch of bulls come through? you just end up with a lot of broken glass"
what happens when other middle eastern countries go to shit, Europe should just let all those refugees in too? how about africa, might as well pile them in there too? because that seems to be the direction we're headed.
We need to set up, or Europe, meeds to set up borders withour such weak appeals to human rights. These people, and the rebles that everyone seems to love, want Sharia because their culture demands it
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Hobozen]
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The golden dawn party has the right idea with the muslim invaders. The invaders should be turned back, forced into the sea with bayonet point to their backs.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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specialpeopleclub said: These people, and the rebles that everyone seems to love, want Sharia because their culture demands it
For how many of them is this true? Let's see some data. You seem to know.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: koraks]
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Who the fuck would actually fight for Syria? People flee because its a hopeless situation for them. It was a shit country and it got even more shit. There's not much to fight for honestly
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ezuma]
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At the same time, I wouldn't particularly want hordes of refugees storming my country either. I mean its not like the Greeks were doing too well to start with
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ezuma]
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Ezuma said: Who the fuck would actually fight for Syria? People flee because its a hopeless situation for them. It was a shit country and it got even more shit. There's not much to fight for honestly
Iran and the Saudi's are fighting for Syria. The Islamic state are proxies of the Sunni and the AlAssad government are backed by the Shia in Iran. Russia is involved in backing syrian government proxies for prestige of appearing to be a superpower for the benefit of Baltic states on their borders, and the Turks have an interest in ousting Assad but retaining the structure of the government to prevent total anarchy like in Iraq when the Bathists were removed by US forces. Everyone in the middle east seems to have some interest in the outcome, each for their own geo-political purposes.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: koraks]
#22207466 - 09/08/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: These people, and the rebles that everyone seems to love, want Sharia because their culture demands it
For how many of them is this true? Let's see some data. You seem to know.
I shouldnt even give such a statement a response. Just look up polls by Al Jazeera, or anyone. Well over half of Mislems, as the refigies are, want such things. Im not going to do research for you on something so obvious it shouldnt need citing
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: specialpeopleclub] 4
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Ah yes. Why bother going to the lengths of actually debating your position if you can just leave it at 'ah well it's just so obvious'. Thought so. Well, thanks for your contribution.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
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I meant the citizens of the country itself. Outside interests are invested, but as far as a local is concerned, shits bad and not getting better. Its foreign involvement in the first place that made a shit region of the world a living hell. There's plenty of reason for foreign powers to be interested, but Syrian people are doing what any group would do if they were in that situation. If they had a country worth preserving, I'm sure we would see a difference in the response of the locals. You can't possibly believe that somehow a population of several million is simply 'spineless' or cowardly in a way that any other humans would not be.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: koraks]
#22207500 - 09/08/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Syria already had a law code based on Sharia law before this shit went down, I believe. I don't know what percentage supports that but given its a largely Muslim country I wouldn't be surprised if support was pretty widespread honestly though I'd be interested in what the numbers are
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: koraks]
#22207538 - 09/08/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I didnt just say that. Just go look at some polls from the Muslem world and tell me what you think. Their culture is not some diversity thing. The Koran says what ot says, and going against it or the accepted Hadiths is life threatening in most of the Muslem world. They arent going to throw off their faith just because they are somewhere else. So, what we have is a massive import of a shotty culture from the billion and a half most retarded, pedophile murderer loving people
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ezuma]
#22207555 - 09/08/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: I meant the citizens of the country itself. Outside interests are invested, but as far as a local is concerned, shits bad and not getting better. Its foreign involvement in the first place that made a shit region of the world a living hell. There's plenty of reason for foreign powers to be interested, but Syrian people are doing what any group would do if they were in that situation. If they had a country worth preserving, I'm sure we would see a difference in the response of the locals. You can't possibly believe that somehow a population of several million is simply 'spineless' or cowardly in a way that any other humans would not be.
I think the reaction of most people in war zones is to either join sides in the hostilities or flee. It seems about the same in every civil war, US Civil war for example. Most people desire to protect their homes as long as they can and usually support the side they think gives them the best chance even if they never take up arms themselves. But yeah, outside meddling caused the mess and perpetuates it. It looks like its a matter of time until Assad falls. Even Iranian proxies like Hezbollah are changing sides because they figure they want good relations with the winning side after the dust settles. Locals and anyone stupid enough to go there as a foreign fighter are just cannon fodder of the real players who are all foreign national interests.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 2
#22207575 - 09/08/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Well I look at it way diffrent than you. I wouldnt care about putting myself at risk. You see at that point my life as I knew it i already over. But if run and do nothing you know what will happen? Someone elses life will be ruined and many more terrible things. Someone has to fucking fight injustice like what is happening to people there.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
#22207578 - 09/08/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well i think they probably see the situation as not worth fighting for, is what i'm saying. Like obviously Americans would fight for america, but that's because they have it fairly good, and there's a lot worth saving and preserving in american culture. I doubt Syrians feel the same way, or have done for a long while
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ezuma]
#22207595 - 09/08/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: Well i think they probably see the situation as not worth fighting for, is what i'm saying. Like obviously Americans would fight for america, but that's because they have it fairly good, and there's a lot worth saving and preserving in american culture. I doubt Syrians feel the same way, or have done for a long while
You might be surprised how patriotic people in shitty countries can be. Historically it us usually a group of wild nomads who conquor civilized well mannered city dwellers. I'd think the people who have it good would be more willing to protect what they have, but we see things like Roman boys cutting off their thumb so they can avoid serving in the legion, and cowardly vietnam war protestors staying in college for 10 years to keep their draft deferment. City dwelling lifestyles seem to encourage cowardace in a population rather than the rugged individualism it takes to cowboy up and kick ass.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#22207653 - 09/08/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: So, what we have is a massive import of a shotty culture from the billion and a half most retarded, pedophile murderer loving people
They're not a homogeneous group. This is particularly true for the Syrians, hence the huge shitpile there. Many of the Syrian refugees belong to the westernized part of the population who adhere to a very liberal interpretation of the Islam, or who are in fact secularized. Sure, there are many retards and I hope they either wake up some day or at least stay where they are, as they do constitute a massive problem and cannot be expected to integrate successfully into Western society. But it doesn't help to portray them as all the same. They aren't. Maybe you didn't know it and your sentiments are genuine, in which case I encourage you to educate yourself. If you did know and just choose to be crass in your wording, then know that you're part of the problem.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: koraks]
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Patlal] 2
#22207699 - 09/08/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I came here for the island full of lesbos.
Pretty disappointed.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
#22207829 - 09/08/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol there's a difference between protecting your country and violent imperialism though. People didn't fight Vietnam because they didn't believe in it, often. If america itself had been invaded by militant groups in large numbers, it would have been a different story I would bet. You do have a point about the privileged though
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ezuma]
#22207869 - 09/08/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Vietnam avoiders were cowards? That is. I dont know. Completely fucking retarded. People talk like it is about everyone. Im going to die for everyone else, yeah, right, fuck that.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#22207894 - 09/08/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I respect draft dodgers in general honestly. I have no respect for the military beyond defense of a country. Anyone who thinks that's what the U.S. military has been doing lately is utterly daft anyways.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ezuma]
#22207992 - 09/08/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: I respect draft dodgers in general honestly. I have no respect for the military beyond defense of a country. Anyone who thinks that's what the U.S. military has been doing lately is utterly daft anyways.
For the glory, I conquest. War and battle is the greatest thing a person can achieve imo. By the time Julius Caesar was my age he had killed a million Gauls and enslaved a million more. By the time Alexander of Macedon was my age he had conquored the world and drank himself to death when he ran out of people to conquor. And so with this in mind I think to myself, what have I done today?
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
#22208079 - 09/08/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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And from my perspective those figures, while hugely brilliant perhaps, are barbarians in today's world, and represent everything wrong with human nature. To me, your attitude is at best childish and simplistic, at worst, counterproductive and against the greater good of the species
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ezuma] 1
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Ezuma said: And from my perspective those figures, while hugely brilliant perhaps, are barbarians in today's world, and represent everything wrong with human nature. To me, your attitude is at best childish and simplistic, at worst, counterproductive and against the greater good of the species 
In the 14th century a Muslim historian named Ibn Khaldun wrote about the pattern of history. Farmers would build irrigation systems supporting villages and towns. Later some warrior would bring these towns under his rule and form a united political entity, like a kingdom or an empire. Then a tribe of nomads would come along and conquer the kingdom, seize all the holdings and settle in their place and further expand the new empire. As time went by the nomads would assimilate and become soft city dwellers. Exactly the kind of people they had conquered and at this point another tribe of nomads would come along and conquer them and take their empire. Conquest, consolidation, expansion, degeneration and conquest, this was the pattern of history.
The anti-war liberal attitude is typical of soft city dwellers who are ripe for conquest. This prevelence among my fellow citizen indicates that we are are a late stage empire and in severe decline. Who will be the new strong man to take western europe and the USA? I do not know. But what is for sure is due to the weakling liberal attitude of the Greek people they will fall like a ripe apple from the slightest breeze, the moment these Muslim invaders (refugees) become a majority.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
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Ellis Dee said: For the glory, I conquest. War and battle is the greatest thing a person can achieve imo. By the time Julius Caesar was my age he had killed a million Gauls and enslaved a million more. By the time Alexander of Macedon was my age he had conquored the world and drank himself to death when he ran out of people to conquor. And so with this in mind I think to myself, what have I done today? 
Julius Caesar took a thriving Republic and turned it into a decaying Empire. Alexander was a spoiled child(Phillip did most of the hard work of preparing a tactical and strategic instrument for his son to work with) who could not stop conquering shit, and his strategic overreach, combined with his early death, led the the dissolution of the empire he singlehandedly built. His lieutenants spent the rest of their lives killing each other and dividing up the ancient world. Belisarius was pretty cool. He beat a 200,000 man army with a bluff once. Marlboro was dope too. (but a bit full of himself) Arminius was a total badass. Fucked those cheesy Romans up.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Achillita] 1
#22211346 - 09/09/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Achillita said: Honestly, you can't blame the refugees, they're just trying to survive.
wanna survive, exterminate your enemy, wipe them from the face of the earth. if there are 2 million refugees then surely they can overwhelm a force of 30,000
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22211422 - 09/09/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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IF you and your family want to charge upon militant groups that have machine guns, bombs, snipers, and other heavy weapons be my guest. These groups are heavily armed, old all the supplies and food in the area.
How can a starving group of people defeat a well armed militant group?
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22211439 - 09/09/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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They're likely not blood lusty assholes...
Lack of compassion is rediculious.
Ya'll like, push em back, let em drown.. aint my mama!
Tho I shouldnt expect anything different in the coutry arming and profiting off war the plantet over.
Who cares about people!?! We got shit to blow up.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Achillita] 1
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They are cowards. They need to fight for themselves and not run away like little girly men. I'm sorry if that insults little girls.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Achillita]
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Achillita said: IF you and your family want to charge upon militant groups that have machine guns, bombs, snipers, and other heavy weapons be my guest. These groups are heavily armed, old all the supplies and food in the area.
How can a starving group of people defeat a well armed militant group?
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#22211463 - 09/09/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22211475 - 09/09/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nobody wants to die like a zergling. Everybody wants to go protoss for the win. That's why they're going for germany.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: koraks]
#22211537 - 09/09/15 10:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: So, what we have is a massive import of a shotty culture from the billion and a half most retarded, pedophile murderer loving people
They're not a homogeneous group. This is particularly true for the Syrians, hence the huge shitpile there. Many of the Syrian refugees belong to the westernized part of the population who adhere to a very liberal interpretation of the Islam, or who are in fact secularized. Sure, there are many retards and I hope they either wake up some day or at least stay where they are, as they do constitute a massive problem and cannot be expected to integrate successfully into Western society. But it doesn't help to portray them as all the same. They aren't. Maybe you didn't know it and your sentiments are genuine, in which case I encourage you to educate yourself. If you did know and just choose to be crass in your wording, then know that you're part of the problem.
If you are secularized then you are not Islamic. There has been no Islamic awakening. Im not doubting some claim to be, but most would say that they are not Muslem. I would say they are disengeniuous, lkle that cunt Reza Aslan. They worship a child beating, person beheading, pedophile, who put down to kill those that even question the texts. Assad is the better sode, by the way. The rebles are Sharia wantimg cunts. The largest onlime 'news' show loves them. The Young Turks. Named after the perpetrators of the Armenian genocide, by one who denys it. They are big on white guilt and saying 'not every Muslem is responsoble', which is true. If you just worship the pedophile, and dont kill anyone, you didnt commit a 'crime'. They are just morons for doing so
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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Cowards drop drone strikes. On funerals. Cowards have poor people fight for them. Cowards arm militant groups because their motives are such that require nameless donations. Cowards drop supplies TO IS. They're riding around in U.S. military equipment for Gods sake! How do do u think that happened? Someone was too much of a coward to do the right thing and keep weapons out of militant hands but then again when they armed Syrian rebels McCain's there meeding with top members of IS. Glad he's all on our side and shit, you fucking idiots. Cowards start wars because they're afraid of someone elses belief system. Cowards shoot first and ask questions later.
It takes a bigger person to not get sucked into the idocracy that is. But keep fighting for these guys...keep spreding the propaganda.. Lulz
Point is, almost all of our military actions, on the surface, has been due to fear. Red scare, korea, nam, terrorism, now holy war. Keep telling me how everyone else is pussies when we get fearmongered into war.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: MichAnon.ael] 2
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This refugee crisis is only being publicized to drum up public support in Europe to attack Assad's government, with France and Britain beating the war drums.
Of course, attacking Assad's government will only strengthen ISIS and Al-Qaeda and make the refugee crisis worse, but then again fixing the refugee crisis was never really the main goal.
Obama's strategy of arming and funding Takfiri terrorists to kick out Assad has failed miserably, so now they need overt air support from the western governments.
But Russia, of course, won't let it happen, having armed Assad's government with top of the line anti-aircraft defense systems.
US Foreign policy at work people. Tens of thousands of dead innocent people? Who cares, we're America, we can do whatever we want.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: chopstick]
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Why would they attack Assad? What the fuck? The rebles are religious. Assad is secular. A sovergn leader of a country, sort of
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: MichAnon.ael]
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MichAnon.ael said: Cowards drop drone strikes. On funerals. Cowards have poor people fight for them. Cowards arm militant groups because their motives are such that require nameless donations. Cowards drop supplies TO IS. They're riding around in U.S. military equipment for Gods sake! How do do u think that happened? Someone was too much of a coward to do the right thing and keep weapons out of militant hands but then again when they armed Syrian rebels McCain's there meeding with top members of IS. Glad he's all on our side and shit, you fucking idiots. Cowards start wars because they're afraid of someone elses belief system. Cowards shoot first and ask questions later.
It takes a bigger person to not get sucked into the idocracy that is. But keep fighting for these guys...keep spreding the propaganda.. Lulz
Point is, almost all of our military actions, on the surface, has been due to fear. Red scare, korea, nam, terrorism, now holy war. Keep telling me how everyone else is pussies when we get fearmongered into war.

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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: MichAnon.ael]
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MichAnon.ael said: Cowards drop drone strikes. On funerals. Cowards have poor people fight for them. Cowards arm militant groups because their motives are such that require nameless donations. Cowards drop supplies TO IS. They're riding around in U.S. military equipment for Gods sake! How do do u think that happened? Someone was too much of a coward to do the right thing and keep weapons out of militant hands but then again when they armed Syrian rebels McCain's there meeding with top members of IS. Glad he's all on our side and shit, you fucking idiots. Cowards start wars because they're afraid of someone elses belief system. Cowards shoot first and ask questions later.
It takes a bigger person to not get sucked into the idocracy that is. But keep fighting for these guys...keep spreding the propaganda.. Lulz
Point is, almost all of our military actions, on the surface, has been due to fear. Red scare, korea, nam, terrorism, now holy war. Keep telling me how everyone else is pussies when we get fearmongered into war.
I would gladly drop drone strikes on enemy funerals. If certain bad guys gather for a funeral what better way to eliminate them with one stroke. Ever hear of killing two birds with one stone?
The rest of your post isn't coherent enought to respond to. Each one of your sentences could have used a full paragraph to expound on and it reads like a series of non-sequitors.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Acaterpillar]
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Acaterpillar said: God, I hope this crisis doesn't put the Golden Dawn in power.
Having read a bit about them they appear to be the last best desperate hope of saving Greece. They want to do the right thing, they have the only and final solution for the muslim invasion (refugee). If you know a better way to eliminate Muslim infestations from a population we'd all like to hear it.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
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I'm not surprised you have that view, considering you just heard about them. If you'd been following them the last few years, you'd probably think differently.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
#22211708 - 09/09/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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MichAnon.ael said: Cowards drop drone strikes. On funerals. Cowards have poor people fight for them. Cowards arm militant groups because their motives are such that require nameless donations. Cowards drop supplies TO IS. They're riding around in U.S. military equipment for Gods sake! How do do u think that happened? Someone was too much of a coward to do the right thing and keep weapons out of militant hands but then again when they armed Syrian rebels McCain's there meeding with top members of IS. Glad he's all on our side and shit, you fucking idiots. Cowards start wars because they're afraid of someone elses belief system. Cowards shoot first and ask questions later.
It takes a bigger person to not get sucked into the idocracy that is. But keep fighting for these guys...keep spreding the propaganda.. Lulz
Point is, almost all of our military actions, on the surface, has been due to fear. Red scare, korea, nam, terrorism, now holy war. Keep telling me how everyone else is pussies when we get fearmongered into war.
I would gladly drop drone strikes on enemy funerals. If certain bad guys gather for a funeral what better way to eliminate them with one stroke. Ever hear of killing two birds with one stone?
The rest of your post isn't coherent enought to respond to. Each one of your sentences could have used a full paragraph to expound on and it reads like a series of non-sequitors.
And what about all the innocents who inevitably die in such a strike? What about the obvious fact that all you're really accomplishing is increasing the hatred towards yourself and increasing terrorism?
We truly live in an age of arrogance.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Acaterpillar]
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Good point. A quick web search was all I did and found information about the leaders being on trial for protecting their homeland from the invaders (attacks on refugees) and figured these folks must be ok. I really know next to nothing about them.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: chopstick]
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chopstick said: And what about all the innocents who inevitably die in such a strike? What about the obvious fact that all you're really accomplishing is increasing the hatred towards yourself and increasing terrorism?
We truly live in an age of arrogance.
Killing off our enemies is how wars are won. Traditionally the civilian populations that give aid and support to the fighters are treated as the enemy as well. THe correct course of action is to massacre the entire barbarian population or at least enough to totally pacify the area into perpetuity. In some areas it might be proper to eliminate 100% of the total inhabitents, in other areas 25% or 50% might be sufficient. But you do have a point about the apparent ineffectivness of current tactics being based on a weak strategy. I blame liberals like you for tying the hands of our military men and causing the wars to drag on and on.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: chopstick]
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So what about the inmocents? People know of this sectarean violents, and being a Muslem you should expect to be a target, and know what shit your peoplemhabebeen since like, 1200 or so, probable 650, but I will assume having Bhagdad completely ruined and humdreds of thousands killed, the Calephate gone, wasnt great for a religion that taked fifteen hundred years to get over anything Droning funerals is pretty great though, fuck them. You know where you are
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#22211754 - 09/09/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sometimes the shroomery is so bigoted.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: MichAnon.ael]
#22211770 - 09/09/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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MichAnon.ael said: Cowards drop drone strikes. On funerals. Cowards have poor people fight for them. Cowards arm militant groups because their motives are such that require nameless donations. Cowards drop supplies TO IS. They're riding around in U.S. military equipment for Gods sake! How do do u think that happened? Someone was too much of a coward to do the right thing and keep weapons out of militant hands but then again when they armed Syrian rebels McCain's there meeding with top members of IS. Glad he's all on our side and shit, you fucking idiots. Cowards start wars because they're afraid of someone elses belief system. Cowards shoot first and ask questions later.
It takes a bigger person to not get sucked into the idocracy that is. But keep fighting for these guys...keep spreding the propaganda.. Lulz
Point is, almost all of our military actions, on the surface, has been due to fear. Red scare, korea, nam, terrorism, now holy war. Keep telling me how everyone else is pussies when we get fearmongered into war.
Right. What incredible bullshit. The people we fight are murdering oppressive scum. All it takes for evil to conquer is for good men to do nothing. You are in the do nothing crowd. Thanks for your service.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Achillita]
#22211775 - 09/09/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sometimes the shroomery is so bigoted.
You should hate your enemies not coddle them.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Achillita]
#22211782 - 09/09/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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When christians line people up head to head and slowly turn each head too mush by drawimg an automatic weapon down the line, I'll mention that.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
#22211793 - 09/09/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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chopstick said: And what about all the innocents who inevitably die in such a strike? What about the obvious fact that all you're really accomplishing is increasing the hatred towards yourself and increasing terrorism?
We truly live in an age of arrogance.
Killing off our enemies is how wars are won. Traditionally the civilian populations that give aid and support to the fighters are treated as the enemy as well. THe correct course of action is to massacre the entire barbarian population or at least enough to totally pacify the area into perpetuity. In some areas it might be proper to eliminate 100% of the total inhabitents, in other areas 25% or 50% might be sufficient. But you do have a point about the apparent ineffectivness of current tactics being based on a weak strategy. I blame liberals like you for tying the hands of our military men and causing the wars to drag on and on.
Yeah if it were up to you I guess we would just nuke the whole middle east 
Or at-least just kill every man, woman and child possible.. I mean fuck it they woulda grown up to be terrorists right? Genocide is totally cool when we do it.
Thank God you're not in a position of power.
Nevermind that US Foreign Policy pretty much created the whole mess in Syria/Iraq, that's definitely beyond your comprehension.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
#22211794 - 09/09/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: THe correct course of action is to massacre the entire barbarian population or at least enough to totally pacify the area into perpetuity. In some areas it might be proper to eliminate 100% of the total inhabitents, in other areas 25% or 50% might be sufficient. But you do have a point about the apparent ineffectivness of current tactics being based on a weak strategy. I blame liberals like you for tying the hands of our military men and causing the wars to drag on and on.
This is foolish Clauswitzian thinking.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: chopstick]
#22211838 - 09/09/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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chopstick said: And what about all the innocents who inevitably die in such a strike? What about the obvious fact that all you're really accomplishing is increasing the hatred towards yourself and increasing terrorism?
We truly live in an age of arrogance.
Killing off our enemies is how wars are won. Traditionally the civilian populations that give aid and support to the fighters are treated as the enemy as well. THe correct course of action is to massacre the entire barbarian population or at least enough to totally pacify the area into perpetuity. In some areas it might be proper to eliminate 100% of the total inhabitents, in other areas 25% or 50% might be sufficient. But you do have a point about the apparent ineffectivness of current tactics being based on a weak strategy. I blame liberals like you for tying the hands of our military men and causing the wars to drag on and on.
Yeah if it were up to you I guess we would just nuke the whole middle east 
Or at-least just kill every man, woman and child possible.. I mean fuck it they woulda grown up to be terrorists right? Genocide is totally cool when we do it.
Thank God you're not in a position of power.
Nevermind that US Foreign Policy pretty much created the whole mess in Syria/Iraq, that's definitely beyond your comprehension.
I would not nuke anyone. I would untie the hands of military commanders. Thats all that needs done. Blackjack Pershing didn't need nukes to handle Muslim terrorists. All he needed were some rough men with a will to break the enemy.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: ballsalsa]
#22211842 - 09/09/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Muslims are being baptised as they cross the border here and they are whooping it up.
They promise not to cause trouble under the pope's nose.
They are now good boy's and girl's.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: ballsalsa]
#22211852 - 09/09/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: THe correct course of action is to massacre the entire barbarian population or at least enough to totally pacify the area into perpetuity. In some areas it might be proper to eliminate 100% of the total inhabitents, in other areas 25% or 50% might be sufficient. But you do have a point about the apparent ineffectivness of current tactics being based on a weak strategy. I blame liberals like you for tying the hands of our military men and causing the wars to drag on and on.
This is foolish Clauswitzian thinking.
It is the way wars were always fought and won. From the times of Moses and Joshua (if you read the Bible) up through the 20th century in many cases. Uncle Joe (Stalin) knew how to handle the rabble. He solved and prevented a lot of problems that way.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
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We could just destroy the dome in Mecca probably, Mohammed and the other major figures around have tombs. We could take them out. I mean, what, are they gonna attack us, because they tried that.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#22212274 - 09/09/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you honestly think that would work or even be a good idea? Muslims are all over the world. It's the same if someone decided to bomb vatican city.
Doing this would not just cause militant groups to want to attack us. It'd cause actual governments to want to attack.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Achillita]
#22212295 - 09/09/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im not sure it would be the same. They practically worship Mohammed and these holy sites, ajd if Alah's most loved places were gone, who knows.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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Should we also bomb the vatican for being a religious place of some crazy catholic people?
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Achillita]
#22212319 - 09/09/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you honestly think that would work or even be a good idea? Muslims are all over the world. It's the same if someone decided to bomb vatican city.
Doing this would not just cause militant groups to want to attack us. It'd cause actual governments to want to attack.
Militant groups will eventually attack anyway. They are militant groups not kiwanas. At least if they are provoked into premature and reckless attack we can easily target them for disposal as they reveal themselves.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
#22212326 - 09/09/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just don't like the media manipulating images. They went heavy just showing woman and sick little kids. Than when you saw a pan shot it was 80% males... If you aren't low middle class or poor idk if you can relate to a person in England or Europe who opposes bringing more of these people in. 95% of people in England said Multi Culturalism isn't working in a bbc poll.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Achillita]
#22212343 - 09/09/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Achillita said: Should we also bomb the vatican for being a religious place of some crazy catholic people?
It is not the same thing. What the fick are you talkimg about, because tje Catholic crimes are not, in thetime we are in, nearly as bad.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Ezuma said: And from my perspective those figures, while hugely brilliant perhaps, are barbarians in today's world, and represent everything wrong with human nature. To me, your attitude is at best childish and simplistic, at worst, counterproductive and against the greater good of the species 
In the 14th century a Muslim historian named Ibn Khaldun wrote about the pattern of history. Farmers would build irrigation systems supporting villages and towns. Later some warrior would bring these towns under his rule and form a united political entity, like a kingdom or an empire. Then a tribe of nomads would come along and conquer the kingdom, seize all the holdings and settle in their place and further expand the new empire. As time went by the nomads would assimilate and become soft city dwellers. Exactly the kind of people they had conquered and at this point another tribe of nomads would come along and conquer them and take their empire. Conquest, consolidation, expansion, degeneration and conquest, this was the pattern of history.
The anti-war liberal attitude is typical of soft city dwellers who are ripe for conquest. This prevelence among my fellow citizen indicates that we are are a late stage empire and in severe decline. Who will be the new strong man to take western europe and the USA? I do not know. But what is for sure is due to the weakling liberal attitude of the Greek people they will fall like a ripe apple from the slightest breeze, the moment these Muslim invaders (refugees) become a majority.
I could care less about what some 14th century Muslim thought about humanity. If you could enlist and go die in a foreign nation that might have some net benefit for your own country, so think on that.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ezuma]
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Ezuma said: I could care less about what some 14th century Muslim thought about humanity. If you could enlist and go die in a foreign nation that might have some net benefit for your own country, so think on that.
It is the pattern of history. I learned it first while studying history myself and was well explained by my various professors. This 14th century historian but puts it more succinctly. Perhaps you should study history if you want to avoid repeating it. Or if you don't maybe you deserve to be its next chapter. Ignorance of the past will guarantee you are a victim of the future. Have a nice day.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Except that times change, systems evolve. History has played out certain ways over the last 7 thousand years, that doesn't mean patters are permanent. We have different technologies than we've ever had, and we have far more power to shape our societies and world. Sure human nature is much the same as it always was, but the game is changing and war even now isn't what it was.
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I think it os good to know history and not tale the words of wise people sereously, as noone is very wiseand history doesnt really repeat
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Ezuma said: Except that times change, systems evolve. History has played out certain ways over the last 7 thousand years, that doesn't mean patters are permanent. We have different technologies than we've ever had, and we have far more power to shape our societies and world. Sure human nature is much the same as it always was, but the game is changing and war even now isn't what it was.
I'll change the subject in order to entertain a hypothetical. I hope you'll enter in to the discussion.
On of the basic principles of history is that geography determines destiny. The British naval tradition and the American frontier and Ocean boundaries...
The European plain has no natural defenses and so it is easily invaded and the territory changes hands over and over. We see this with Polish wars, Russian, and so forth. When Napoleon invaded Russia the only choice Russia had was to continue to fall back into their enourmous and expansive territory and let Napoleon defeat himself. This lack of natural geographical defenses made Russia very vulnerable to invasions over the centuries.
So Russia under the rule of Ivan Czar of all Russians formed a new strategy. For the first time Russia would begin systematic offensive activities to all of its Eastern neighbors. This new strategy was that their best defense was a good offense. And it seemed to work. This is the same strategy carried on to the Soviet Union and explains why they chose to incorporate those Eastern European countries in to the Soviet bloc. Today uncle Vlad (Putin) has set out an identical strategy, of swallowing up these Eastern European countries to use as buffer states and to make their fall back position more secure. This is the same strategy used by Ivan hundreds of years ago and it is based on geography not technology. With all of today's high tech weapons and atomic weapons why it this centuries old strategy still needed for Russian territorial security?
We have two guides to politics. History and geography. To understand geo-politics in the world right now you must deeply understand both and also always ask cui bono, to whose benefit.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
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I never said I was ignorant of history, only that I don't think a 14th century Muslim has a perspective as relevant to the modern day as it was to his own time. Big, big things have happened since then. You could look at the industrial/technological revolution as a shift of equal importance to the birth of agriculture. People lived quite differently before they settled down, and to not expect huge changes in the world now is a bit overly simplistic. I'm not saying war isn't going to be a part of humanity for a long time, simply that its becoming less and less necessary
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ezuma]
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Certainly the resourses we fight over have changed. We no longer fight over agricultural areas and their slave farmers but for more for oil and mineral deposits. The pattern however remains the same. And geography still determines national destiny.
Do you care to entertain my hypothetical in the Russian example I typed out above?
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Sorry clicked reply before I read that. What is practical for Russia at this moment is not necessarily what will be practical or beneficial for humanity in the coming decades/centuries. I simply believe your attitude is holding on to old ways that will, while necessary to a degree in the present, ultimately fail our species and hold us back if it is too ingrained. I see that we have either a choice to evolve and maintain our existence, or go out in a gradual, stubborn and bloody struggle over resources.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
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I'm not saying transition will be easy, and certainly there are still things to fight over, but the world isn't locked in a the cold war any longer. America is THE super power. They are a war-based economy at the moment and so conflict in the world is necessary to the arms industry and what not, but that doesn't mean it will remain static. More and more information is available to the masses. If people can be kept dis-empowered and squabbling among themselves, looking always fearfully to 'others', then nothing will change and we will be ruined, and you will be proven right, sort of. That's a future in which no one wins however.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ezuma]
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I might well be way off though
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War is how our species evolves technologically. Nearly all major advancements including the bronze sword that made the copper sword obsolete are owed to humans killing each other in life and death contests of survival of the fittest and the strongest. We are using computers and chips to type back and forth. We own the computer chip to military generals who demanded small machines to use for missile guidance. Its no different than the bronze sword or the iron sword or the steel sword or the gun. First comes the killing, then comes civilian applications to new technology. So now we've got computers, a space program, and nuclear power plants. All this is thanks to 6000 years of constant warfare (war is evolution and war is human improvement).
-------------------- "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do."-King Solomon And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Hobozen]
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I think god is a mlron, considering that there are much better flowing water bodies out there and evem in the sentance he mentioned. Real Israel looks like shit, and western religion is garbage in all ways. How tje fuck didnt Manchurea beat us to industrianization and stuff
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
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So far. But for the winning side anyway, war involves less and less loss of life. Its far less about thirst for victory and faith in your skills now than it is about technical developments, shit like drones and missiles. The weak will continue to be prayed upon by us but not indefinitely. I believe that if humanity has any hope for the long term, it will be through technologies originally developed through and for war but taken beyond that, when we evolve ideologically. I mean that's a long way off. But I don't consider that impossible.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Ezuma said: Except that times change, systems evolve. History has played out certain ways over the last 7 thousand years, that doesn't mean patters are permanent. We have different technologies than we've ever had, and we have far more power to shape our societies and world. Sure human nature is much the same as it always was, but the game is changing and war even now isn't what it was.
I'll change the subject in order to entertain a hypothetical. I hope you'll enter in to the discussion.
On of the basic principles of history is that geography determines destiny. The British naval tradition and the American frontier and Ocean boundaries...
The European plain has no natural defenses and so it is easily invaded and the territory changes hands over and over. We see this with Polish wars, Russian, and so forth. When Napoleon invaded Russia the only choice Russia had was to continue to fall back into their enourmous and expansive territory and let Napoleon defeat himself. This lack of natural geographical defenses made Russia very vulnerable to invasions over the centuries.
So Russia under the rule of Ivan Czar of all Russians formed a new strategy. For the first time Russia would begin systematic offensive activities to all of its Eastern neighbors. This new strategy was that their best defense was a good offense. And it seemed to work. This is the same strategy carried on to the Soviet Union and explains why they chose to incorporate those Eastern European countries in to the Soviet bloc. Today uncle Vlad (Putin) has set out an identical strategy, of swallowing up these Eastern European countries to use as buffer states and to make their fall back position more secure. This is the same strategy used by Ivan hundreds of years ago and it is based on geography not technology. With all of today's high tech weapons and atomic weapons why it this centuries old strategy still needed for Russian territorial security?
We have two guides to politics. History and geography. To understand geo-politics in the world right now you must deeply understand both and also always ask cui bono, to whose benefit.
Interesting post but do you have a prediction about the world to go with your point?
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: TheBrazilian]
#22212813 - 09/09/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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TheBrazilian said: Interesting post but do you have a prediction about the world to go with your point?
In the Russian example I do. Russia will use various tactice to keep its neighboring bufferer countries under its control or at least beaten down so as to pose no threat. This includes sowing discord and minority violence in order that they can manage the chaos. This is a tried and true imperial strategy. Put a minority in power and support them so that they are reliant on the outside power to maintain authority. Managing chaos is also far less expensive than maintaining an outright military presence. The British managed India by maintaining various balances of power for years in their imperial days.
Geography will continue to dictate destiny and the strategies used for every geo-political goal. The best guide to the future is the past. What worked before will at least be tried again, because its tried and true..
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
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TheBrazilian said: Interesting post but do you have a prediction about the world to go with your point?
In the Russian example I do. Russia will use various tactice to keep its neighboring bufferer countries under its control or at least beaten down so as to pose no threat. This includes sowing discord and minority violence in order that they can manage the chaos. This is a tried and true imperial strategy. Put a minority in power and support them so that they are reliant on the outside power to maintain authority. Managing chaos is also far less expensive than maintaining an outright military presence. The British managed India by maintaining various balances of power for years in their imperial days.
Geography will continue to dictate destiny and the strategies used for every geo-political goal. The best guide to the future is the past. What worked before will at least be tried again, because its tried and true..
I pretty much agree but the economy also dictates power and influence and their economy sucks. Sure they have a strangle hold over Belarus but what is going to happen once that dictator gets overthrown? Russia will continue to have influence over the Armenia's and Belarus's of the world but I question it reaching much farther than that. Even a country like Azerbaijan is being welcomed into the west now. But anyways since you are a big geography guy what do you make of the high muslim population and refugees moving into europe? They are going to the land of milk and honey but how much is left? Can two different cultures merge? I'm skeptical.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Ellis Dee]
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I believe you're right about the example you described though, with Russia and the near future.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: TheBrazilian]
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TheBrazilian said: I pretty much agree but the economy also dictates power and influence and their economy sucks. Sure they have a strangle hold over Belarus but what is going to happen once that dictator gets overthrown? Russia will continue to have influence over the Armenia's and Belarus's of the world but I question it reaching much farther than that. Even a country like Azerbaijan is being welcomed into the west now. But anyways since you are a big geography guy what do you make of the high muslim population and refugees moving into europe? They are going to the land of milk and honey but how much is left? Can two different cultures merge? I'm skeptical.
Even if Russian control never goes beyond the Armenia's and Belurus's they will be pretty secure. The Moscow region is simply indefensible and so they believe that their security lies in maintaining a large buffer area. The ethnic cleansings and relocations of ethnic Russians into buffer state areas carried out under Stalin also ensured that if the Soviet Union ever collapsed that chaos would ensue in those border countries maintaining a shield around Russia. As a result now many of those countries have horrible ethnic conflicts and very unstable governments. This benefits Russia in managing those conflicts to their own ends. It always ensures that some faction in the buffer countries will reach out to Moscow for support, and Moscow will always be glad to play the savior role and bring stability. Russia plays these factions against each other the way a musician plays a fiddle.
Its good that you bring up Azerbaijan, which is coveted by the west for its oil. That's what the battle of Stalingrad was about, control of Baku. Thats why when the NAZI generals made a cake of the eastern front Hitler sliced out Baku for himself. Their plan failed because of the enourmous sacrafices of 800,000 Azerbaijanis who fought against NAZI Germany, of whom 400,000 dies in battle. That is almost as many deaths as the USA took in WW2 but in a country with only 3 million total people.
The potential for a Caspian railroad to create a new trade route cutting Russia out of the picture is perhaps the biggest threat to Russian interests coming out of the caucasus gateway. Russia will do everything in its power to prevent this and they will probably succeed. Countries like Azerbaijan saw how unable NATO was to defend Goergia in their war with Russia and it sent a message. Add to the fear how reliant they are on Russia for trade and for maintaining the power balances and I think Russia maintains more or less the status quo for a long time. There are no happy endings involvd here, only the proverbial Russian endings.
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Re: Invasion of Greek Island of Lesbos by Syrian Refugees [Re: Hobozen]
#22213547 - 09/09/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good video. I feel for any legitimate refugees but frankly I care more about Europe. To me the middle east is pretty much a write off
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