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OfflineTheEmperor
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No casing?
    #22203758 - 09/07/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So i have stumbled upon quite a few people saying for rye grain you dont need a casing layer. If so, someone could just crumble it up and put it in fruiting chamber with no extra steps?


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Re: No casing? [Re: TheEmperor]
    #22203809 - 09/07/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

you want to at least case the grains, but rather mix them with a bulk sub.
grains dont pin well, and dont hold much water, and why would you break it up if you werent gonna add anything to it?


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Re: No casing? [Re: spacechildo]
    #22203888 - 09/07/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No idea, just getting a feel for this stuff and was curious what all these methods people talked about entailed, sounded wildly different and made me curious


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Re: No casing? [Re: TheEmperor]
    #22205220 - 09/07/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They're wrong, with the grain you need a casing later.  With ANY grain you need at least a casing layer, with the specific exception of rye grass seed when growing invitro.

As said, if you're going to break grains up, just add bulk substrates to it, the yield will be much better than crumble-and-casing grains.


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Re: No casing? [Re: Violet]
    #22205279 - 09/08/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Do a coir/verm/gypsum bulk if you are nervous about contams. Pasteurize it between 145-160°F for about 45min (make sure it doesn't go over 170).

Its easy, the pin set is more even, and if you have a humidifier you are fine. Crinkled up wax paper and bubble wrap have been used for bulk trays wihout a fruiting chamber for great results.

Casings do have their benefits too, why not do it unless you are really lazy? That's the only reason why i don't case my trays :lol:


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Re: No casing? [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22205305 - 09/08/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Spawn your grains to bulk substrate, like coir/verm/gypsum, to get the most out of them.

Fruiting straight grains won't do well, especially without casing them. They don't hold enough moisture.


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Re: No casing? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #22205795 - 09/08/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have seen bag grows with no casing (grain bags fully colonized) with the top cut off and paper clipped over yield a fistful in 5-6 weeks.

Idk if I would base my work on it, but if I had bags laying around at 100 and absolutely no casing they COULD be fruited and do fine.

Not disagreeing casing will benefit your mushrooms - just wanted to mention.


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Re: No casing? [Re: filthyknees]
    #22206035 - 09/08/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe it's possible to get great flushes off straight grain, but we never really see it on here.

I just don't see most grains having the moisture to support large flushes. Mushrooms are mostly water, after all.


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Re: No casing? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #22206133 - 09/08/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You have to provide enough water to those grains.  Older straight-grain methods make that tough or sketchy.  And it always requires casing


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Re: No casing? [Re: filthyknees]
    #22206486 - 09/08/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Toadstool5 said:
Do a coir/verm/gypsum bulk if you are nervous about contams. Pasteurize it between 145-160°F for about 45min (make sure it doesn't go over 170).




CVG doesnt care, just make sure to heat it. you can even sterilize it in the PC.

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filthyknees said:
I have seen bag grows with no casing (grain bags fully colonized) with the top cut off and paper clipped over yield a fistful in 5-6 weeks.




is that really good return tho? a bag of grains could spawn a full monotub and give way more than a fistful of mush!


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Re: No casing? [Re: spacechildo]
    #22206496 - 09/08/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've only ever seen Lion's Mane fruit "well" from straight grain.  I'd suggest looking at Damion5050's coir tek for some inspiration.


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Re: No casing? [Re: shroombasa]
    #22207547 - 09/08/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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CVG doesnt care, just make sure to heat it. you can even sterilize it in the PC.




Thats good to know! I knew it was an easy sub to work with and i have overheated it a few times without a problem but thought i got lucky those times :lol:

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Re: No casing? [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22207561 - 09/08/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Technically you don't need a casing layer whatsoever, but it helps keep the mycelium manageable, because who wants to mist the mycelium a dozen or so times a day? I wish I could setup a time lapse of naked mycelium fruiting.


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Re: No casing? [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #22207607 - 09/08/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

for straight grains you do need a casing layer. you might get the odd fruit but grains dont pin well nor do they hold much water as it has already been stated.


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Re: No casing? [Re: spacechildo]
    #22214009 - 09/09/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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spacechildo said:
for straight grains you do need a casing layer. you might get the odd fruit but grains dont pin well nor do they hold much water as it has already been stated.



This.


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