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Invisibledionysiandame
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Re: All you sinners [Re: Dr.Wongburger] * 1
    #22202816 - 09/07/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

"I'm not sure why a non religious person would in front of a religious person say things like "Fuck God, stupid shit is all fake, nothing in the bible is real", or why a religious person would say to a non believer "You are a dirty no good for nothing. You are going to burn in hell where you belong! If your gay your going to hell! If you murder you are going to burn in hell! If you do this or that your going to hell!" Blah blah blah."

It's funny because I only see these kinds of arguments occur between Atheists and Christians/Muslims. Which leads me to believe that many Nu Atheists don't have a problem with religion as much as they have a problem with the social rules people in certain religions attempt to inflict on others. I get it, but when I hear them say things like "religions are stupid." or "religious people are stupid" while ignoring the fact that many of our scientific discoveries pre-enlightment (and even post) came from devoutly RELIGIOUS people; whether Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, or Pagan it shows a severe lack of knowledge of science history as well as a desire to revise what does exist to fit their own dogma.

But I have had some great discussion with people within various faiths and have rarely ever encountered "hellfire" speech. I think many people who speak this way to others, particularly strangers, have other issues going on that go far beyond religion as it appears they tend be overcompensating for something else in their lives; whether perceived lack of accomplishments, "deviant" sexual natures, or insecurities bought on by being around people very different from themselves.

So I don't necessarily blame the religion they practice, I tend to blame the people using the religion as a mask for their own issues. There are plenty of beautifully religious and pious people who can discuss theology with a ecstasy worshiping Dionysian like myself and not even mention hell at all.


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Invisiblemoonrockmushy
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Re: All you sinners [Re: dionysiandame] * 1
    #22202834 - 09/07/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: All you sinners [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22202873 - 09/07/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

From a non religious point of view wouldn't God be all the energy of the universe across dimensional space (everything) and the absence of God be nothing? Since everything (atoms) need nothing to bounce around in they both rely on each other to maintain reality. So both perspectives would be correct.


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Invisibledionysiandame
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Re: All you sinners [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22202911 - 09/07/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's always awesome to meet others who have been touched by Him in some way. I pledged myself to Dionysos over 10 years ago and while it hasn't always been easy I've had such amazing experiences in his service.

I'll respond to your other thread so I don't clutter up this one. LOL!


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He (Dionysos) keeps me with all of his other pretty things for I am just another pretty thing in a long list of acquisitions. :psychsplit:
Yes! And their brains are releasing adrenaline, dopamine, even dimethyltryptamine from the pineal gland! This has serious educational value! Thanatophobia and this N.D.E. is giving us euphoric altered awareness! Don't you see, Princess? We were all born to die! – Finn the Human
Pay me what you owe me. Don't act like you forgot. BBHMM.


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Re: All you sinners [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22202924 - 09/07/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

336 said:


lol what a joke




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Re: All you sinners [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22202934 - 09/07/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You know what guys, I have come to realize this is all just younger people shit.

Older people do not talk to other older people like this. I'm 25, so the range of people who still share their immaturity flourishes with in my range but I don't think older people act like that. At least none of the older people I have meant.

Then again I have heard/ am related to older people that argue the whole "Why does that ministry need that air plane!" and put people down about that, regardless of Mark 16:15  "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.". They disregard the fact that the minister can only go as far & as fast as his means of transportation will let him.

Idk man maybe I'm just over looking this. Maybe age group does not matter. I'm not sure.

reason for edit:spell correction


Edited by Dr.Wongburger (09/07/15 04:26 PM)


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Invisibledionysiandame
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Re: All you sinners [Re: Dr.Wongburger] * 1
    #22202957 - 09/07/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Dr.Wongburger said:


Then again I have heard/ am related older people that argue the whole "Why does that ministry need that air plane!" and put people down about that, regardless of Mark 16:15  "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.". However they disregard the fact that the minister go only go as far & as fast as his means of transportation will let him.

Idk man maybe I'm just over looking this. Maybe age group does not matter. I'm not sure.




People have a problem with this practice because it's often done by so called "prosperity" ministers who prey on the poor for their own financial gain. Sure Mark may have said "go ye into the world" but he certainly made it clear that this didn't mean "but do it on a Leer jet while wearing Brooks Brothers suits and riding around in a Rolls MAH NIGGA!"

These pulpit pimps spread a bastardized version of their faith that convinces people their deity works as some kind of cosmic cash machine that will pull them out of debt and poverty provided they make "seed offerings" to the church. Seed offerings that surge into the hundreds of thousands, or millions, depending on the size of their congregation.

I understand leading sheep to slaughter, but to do it in a religion that is supposed to protect the sheep and gather them into the loving warmth of their god's grace is despicable.


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Yes! And their brains are releasing adrenaline, dopamine, even dimethyltryptamine from the pineal gland! This has serious educational value! Thanatophobia and this N.D.E. is giving us euphoric altered awareness! Don't you see, Princess? We were all born to die! – Finn the Human
Pay me what you owe me. Don't act like you forgot. BBHMM.


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Re: All you sinners [Re: dionysiandame]
    #22203013 - 09/07/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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dionysiandame said:

People have a problem with this practice because it's often done by so called "prosperity" ministers who prey on the poor for their own financial gain. Sure Mark may have said "go ye into the world" but he certainly made it clear that this didn't mean "but do it on a Leer jet while wearing Brooks Brothers suits and riding around in a Rolls MAH NIGGA!"

These pulpit pimps spread a bastardized version of their faith that convinces people their deity works as some kind of cosmic cash machine that will pull them out of debt and poverty provided they make "seed offerings" to the church. Seed offerings that surge into the hundreds of thousands, or millions, depending on the size of their congregation.

I understand leading sheep to slaughter, but to do it in a religion that is supposed to protect the sheep and gather them into the loving warmth of their god's grace is despicable.




I feel ya.

I think there are legit preachers out there tho that should use the most updated/nicest airplane to travel such as the Cessna Citation X. I like to think if-within taking the understanding and accepting the idea that if a God can provide a Cessna Citation X to those that need it then maybe he can give em a nice suit. Or if he can provide a nice suit then he can provide a nice airplane. If Christians are the children of God what kind of parent doesn't want to give his or her children nice things?

If I ever have children I want them to have the best of the best.

Don't get me wrong, the preachers I speak of are not the ones you are speaking of within these ideas. I know there are many corrupt preachers out there. Many that just goof off all week and play golf then preach on sundays. I'm thinking of hardcore Christians that really are good hearted and believe what they preach.

A big problem also is with the media is if a preacher owns nice things or a good airplane they just assume they got it from the congregation. Its very possible a preach could have dabbled in other things such as lucrative business or other such investments and bought it him self with out money donated.


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Re: All you sinners [Re: wigglewak]
    #22203015 - 09/07/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I swear if a christian disrespects me enough I'll knock them out cold right then and there and our own goverent will back me the fuck up.


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Re: All you sinners [Re: MajickMuffin] * 1
    #22203076 - 09/07/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

When keeping it real goes wrong...


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OfflineDr.Wongburger
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Re: All you sinners [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22203079 - 09/07/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Are you sure about that? Regardless of belief wouldn't you knock some one out any ways?

If the other person is not hostile or threatening but only disrespectful what makes you think think the Government will back you up?


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