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OfflineD.M.T
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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22202372 - 09/07/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't see anyone posting any good reasons to be against eugenics.

'Uhh well there's unintended consequences'.. Like what?

You know there's a shit load of unintended consequences with the normal way of breeding too.


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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: koraks]
    #22202378 - 09/07/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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koraks said:
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Turtletotem said:
And nobody else posted cool mutants :frown:



Sorry about that. The cats are asleep at the moment and I always hate to wake them up as I'm pointing a camera at them. They tend to melt the plastic parts of the camera as well as my eyebrows as they yawn.




That sounds awesome.

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D.M.T said:
I don't see anyone posting any good reasons to be against eugenics.

'Uhh well there's unintended consequences'.. Like what?

You know there's a shit load of unintended consequences with the normal way of breeding too.





Look, mate, we can debate all night, but when it comes down to it, you want the government to fuck with fucking? For real?
Not me, man.

Do you have any cool mutant pictures, by the way?


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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: Patlal]
    #22202403 - 09/07/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Patlal said:
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Acaterpillar said:
It was a joke.
Eugenics is a ridiculous idea.
Patlal is a silly silly man.




Well somebody is not making the list...



Considering the idiotic statements and ideas you share here, I doubt you would either. :wink:


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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: Turtletotem] * 1
    #22202408 - 09/07/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Turtletotem said:
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koraks said:
You're not telling me he was trolling, are you?
I would be super duper angry you know.




Nah, I was trolling. Sorry.
It's just I don't respect eugenics.
And nobody else posted cool mutants :frown:




Yes I did:kingtard:

LRP5 mutation is cool too :naughty:


Edited by Beanhead (09/07/15 02:23 PM)


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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: shellzenone]
    #22202420 - 09/07/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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shellzenone said:
That would leave for no room at the bottom of our social pyramid. I honestly doubt people with High IQs, athletically fit, Etc. will want to do coal mining or construction, or any of those hard jobs. Sadly, Im starting to see that this society is based on the exploitation of the weaker people.




Sucks for them, lets say you are athletically fit, have above average eyes who see through coal dust or your lungs somehow clean up that dust supahfast (yes ridiculous examples)... Welcome to coal mining.

Psycho pass had the idea right albeit it was a bit creepy at times:

A plethora of job-prospects which are in tune to your biological markers / mental state but you don't have to take all jobs. You are excluded from some though.
Same way we do it now: people with disabilities aren't allowed the same jobs.


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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: shellzenone]
    #22202425 - 09/07/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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shellzenone said:
That would leave for no room at the bottom of our social pyramid. I honestly doubt people with High IQs, athletically fit, Etc. will want to do coal mining or construction, or any of those hard jobs. Sadly, Im starting to see that this society is based on the exploitation of the weaker people.




It does.

You have the gene responsible for fast metabolism. Bam you win^
^ for slow metabolism
^ muscle growth
^ eye sight
^ immune to 'x' disease
^ MOSQUITOS DONT BITE YOU AND THERES A GENE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT (:lol: )
...

list is endless but we don't study it, nor, reward it.


Edited by Beanhead (09/07/15 02:29 PM)


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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: D.M.T]
    #22202442 - 09/07/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

D.M.T said:
I don't see anyone posting any good reasons to be against eugenics.

'Uhh well there's unintended consequences'.. Like what?

You know there's a shit load of unintended consequences with the normal way of breeding too.




Well... As much as I support the science. "unintended consequences" might aswell mean end of the race with our limited knowledge so there should be real and concise parameters for scientists before we go all Nazishit.

Or the Japanese freakazoids which were even worse.

Also biodiversity is a fundamental principle of life on our planet. It allows life to adapt to change. Then again we're so far down the line with tinkering with nature...

To quote
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I'm against eugenics for the reason you stated, we have nowhere near sufficient data to warrant driving certain genes into extinction.

Take sickle cell anemia. It can lead to horrid disease, but saves many lives because of reduced susceptibility vs malaria.  So what do we do?  Remove the sickle cell gene worldwide and accept increased malaria deaths? REmove them only in temerate regions but at the same time put the offsprining well into the future at risk when they move to the tropics? Or just let it be? If we remove all instances of a gene its gone 500,000 years from now too. Maybe that prevents SCA genes mutating into a harmless ful immunity vs malaria, and maybe by that time malaria is everywhere.

Why my preoccupation with malaria?
Because if you take all humans who ever lived then HALF died of malaria. Half. And Sickle Cell is a human mutation that attempts to address that by facilitating something that may evolve into immunity.

And dont forget the Nazi Aryan breeding program. The Nazies gathered pure Aryans by their definition and let them breed Superaryans. To their horror,almost all those babies had horrendous birth defects. Turns out the Nazi ideal of Aryanism is something that needs to be bred OUT, not IN, for health of the species.




The breeding programs failed due to their malicious intent and lack of knowledge. It's not a good foundation but a lot of our surgical & medicinal breakthroughs came from the horrors from world wars and their insane scientists.


Edited by Beanhead (09/07/15 02:37 PM)


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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: Patlal]
    #22202443 - 09/07/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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336 said:
this





Now you´re getting it!


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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: Beanhead]
    #22202501 - 09/07/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Beanhead said:
a lot of our surgical & medicinal breakthroughs came from the horrors from world wars and their insane scientists.




Hardly. They did help in finding out how to inflict horrible pain, but they didn't advance science very much. We'd have been better off without those experiments.


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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: Patlal]
    #22202509 - 09/07/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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We would streghten the human species by a lot don't you think?




People get these ideas when they drink a lot.


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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: Love_spirit]
    #22202513 - 09/07/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Love_spirit said:
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We would streghten the human species by a lot don't you think?




People get these ideas when they drink a lot.




:rofl:
Busted, Patlal!


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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: koods]
    #22202538 - 09/07/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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koods said:
When you start selectively breeding for specific traits, there are always unintended consequences.





like that time that the Lenape potato was developed by the USDA, Penn State
University and Wise while trying to make a better spud for the chip market
only what they developed was a highly toxic tater


and people want to bash genetic engineering when it's the path to super humans


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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22202543 - 09/07/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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koods said:
When you start selectively breeding for specific traits, there are always unintended consequences.





like that time that the Lenape potato was developed by the USDA, Penn State
University and Wise while trying to make a better spud for the chip market
only what they developed was a highly toxic tater





What, seriously?!
:rofl:


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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22202550 - 09/07/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Turtletotem said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

koods said:
When you start selectively breeding for specific traits, there are always unintended consequences.





like that time that the Lenape potato was developed by the USDA, Penn State
University and Wise while trying to make a better spud for the chip market
only what they developed was a highly toxic tater





What, seriously?!
:rofl:





yes, seriously

http://boingboing.net/2013/03/25/the-case-of-the-poison-potato.html


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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22202563 - 09/07/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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yes, seriously

http://www.tested.com/science/weird/454414-dangerous-genetically-modified-potato/




:rofl:
This is awesome! I love it when all the hubris comes crashing down and creates a disaster.

I count this as you posting a Cool Mutant, by the way.
I bet this aproval from me is making you feel real good about now.
Better post more Cool Mutants!


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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: koraks]
    #22202603 - 09/07/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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koraks said:
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Beanhead said:
a lot of our surgical & medicinal breakthroughs came from the horrors from world wars and their insane scientists.




Hardly. They did help in finding out how to inflict horrible pain, but they didn't advance science very much. We'd have been better off without those experiments.




Indeed.
Manhattan Project - Military = Utopia.

:frown:

oh well
Malicious intent ruins everything.


Edited by Beanhead (09/07/15 03:13 PM)


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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #22202617 - 09/07/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Acaterpillar said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Quote:

Acaterpillar said:
It was a joke.
Eugenics is a ridiculous idea.
Patlal is a silly silly man.




Well somebody is not making the list...



Considering the idiotic statements and ideas you share here, I doubt you would either. :wink:






Then again. I'm no athlete, I've have health issues, I have mental issues and haven't invented shit. Clearly, I don't make the list. No Emma Watson for me...


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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22202621 - 09/07/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

you see it as a failure and I see it as a success because it heavily shaped the
USDA policy on how hybrids and genetically modified crops are treated and tested
until approval for the market. before this they werent really considering just how
lethal a normally edible vegetable can be especially when this very sort of plant
development has been going on since the start of agriculture, but then it also
gives you something to think about, how many people have directly died as a result
of fucking around with selective breeding


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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22202628 - 09/07/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
you see it as a failure and I see it as a success because it heavily shaped the
USDA policy on how hybrids and genetically modified crops are treated and tested
until approval for the market. before this they werent really considering just how
lethal a normally edible vegetable can be especially when this very sort of plant
development has been going on since the start of agriculture, but then it also
gives you something to think about, how many people have directly died as a result
of fucking around with selective breeding




Interesting way of looking at it.
You're not wrong.


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Re: Moral eugenics. [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22202673 - 09/07/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

GMO's r bad k



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