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need help sgfc humidity problems?
#22198837 - 09/06/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So i am a noob. Made some mistakes. I bought a terrium off the internet. I just dunked and rolled 7 cakes. I am not sure if i should dithch this hydroponic humidifer with hydroton thing. Or go to a sgfc. I have 5" of perlite i rinsed and put into my chamber this morning. Need help. Not sure how often to mist how often to fan. Do i neeed a small fan on a closet where my chamber is. Should i be misting now. I am worried i am going to lose my cakes.
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: risky80]
#22198897 - 09/06/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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:A SGFC http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542#20195542 1/4 inch holes in a 2" grid pattern on all 6 sides 4 to 5 inches of perlite
Loose the humidifier, don't need it, and do not have a fan on it. Watch your cakes, mist directly when needed two to four times a day untill they glisten, fan afterward or don't.
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: risky80]
#22198909 - 09/06/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: risky80]
#22198937 - 09/06/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You should just build a proper shotgun fruiting chamber. Holes on all 6 sides, elevate the chamber so there is air flow on the underside of the chamber.
You wouldn't want your chamber in a closet with a fan. SGFCs function best out in the open, with some passive air current in the room, but not a fan directly pointed at it.
You should mist/fan a few times throughout the day. The more the better, as long as you're not drenching or over drying your cakes. Always mist first, then fan. The fanning encourages the evaporation process, which is a major pinning trigger. You can directly mist pins/fruits, but don't leave them soaking wet and drenched.
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: risky80]
#22199259 - 09/06/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have a feeling I bought the same kit as you, or at least from the same company. Here's my experience with it:
I added a few holes to it, on the opposite side of the air pump/humidifier, because I was very concerned about FAE (quite correctly concerned, and fan whenever I can. The hydroton humidifier seems to do just fine at keeping the humidity up.
Just finished first flush on 17 cakes, and ended up with a little over 2 ounces dry, so the setup *will* work, and you're not going to ruin the cakes, but 2oz on 17 cakes is a pretty small yield compared to what I've read, so if you have the time to mist and fan 4+ times a day, follow everybody else's advice and just build a SGFC out of it.
My time constraints don't really allow for that consistently, and my setup works, although not ideally, but I can at least tell you that you're very likely to get at least some mushrooms out of it.
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: NDStepp84]
#22199279 - 09/06/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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NDStepp84 said: :A SGFC http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542#20195542 1/4 inch holes in a 2" grid pattern on all 6 sides 4 to 5 inches of perlite
Loose the humidifier, don't need it, and do not have a fan on it. Watch your cakes, mist directly when needed two to four times a day untill they glisten, fan afterward or don't. 
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: Sivarted]
#22199296 - 09/06/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Addendum:
The humidifier plus the perlite seem to do a decent job of keeping humidity up, but my cakes do seem a little on the dry side, so I'm considering starting to mist every time I fan, but that's very unlikely to ever be more than twice a day, and sometimes they'll have to go days without either so I'm not going to ditch the humidifier, and I might actually grab anot her air pump or two just to help out a little with air exchange.
Having said all that, a SGFC following the tek is definitely going to be the best way to go. I just personally can't tend one as frequently as they need to be tended.
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: Sivarted]
#22199336 - 09/06/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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so I'm considering starting to mist every time I fan
Yes, very good idea.
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: Sivarted]
#22199338 - 09/06/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sivarted said: Addendum:
The humidifier plus the perlite seem to do a decent job of keeping humidity up, but my cakes do seem a little on the dry side, so I'm considering starting to mist every time I fan, but that's very unlikely to ever be more than twice a day, and sometimes they'll have to go days without either so I'm not going to ditch the humidifier, and I might actually grab anot her air pump or two just to help out a little with air exchange.
Having said all that, a SGFC following the tek is definitely going to be the best way to go. I just personally can't tend one as frequently as they need to be tended.
Cakes need to be nurtured and taken care of Misting and fanning only twice a day? And days without it? Not a good idea, an automated humidifier isn't going to help much, but every one who owns one is always fixated on using it so I understand people have lives outside of this hobby, but without putting in the necessary effort, you cant expect much out of those cakes. With that said, keep us updated.
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22199455 - 09/06/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I second that, you need to commit to this hobby or it won't reward you. That's just the way it is.
If you truly must leave your grows unattended for days on end, monotubs would suit you well. They are very capable to produce well with minimal handling.
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22199509 - 09/06/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If i keep it in a closet what do i do. Can i trantransfer my cakes to a teal sgfc meaning will ui hurt the cakes if i move them now. And i mean a sgfc with holes on all six sides
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#22199520 - 09/06/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's very likely that my kit is the same or extremely simular to his, and I know my results aren't optimal, but I have two ounces of proof that it can work. That's all I'm trying to say. Not that it's optimal (obviously a SGFC with the requisite attention is optimal), just that he doesn't need to worry about losing the cakes entirely, and that they will produce.
And I've already been pointed towards sclerotia as being likely the best for me given time and schedule weirdness. Pretty excited about trying that, but in the meantime I am successfully growing mushrooms from a kit that clearly does *not* follow current wisdom about the best way.
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: risky80]
#22199554 - 09/06/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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risky80 said: If i keep it in a closet what do i do. Can i trantransfer my cakes to a teal sgfc meaning will ui hurt the cakes if i move them now. And i mean a sgfc with holes on all six sides
I have mine in a closet as well, this is pretty clearly not good for air exchange. The times I do fan I do it vigorously enough to hopefully get fresh air into the entire closet.
Moving them will probably bruise the cakes, but as far as I've been able to figure out that's not really the end of the world. A SGFC needs airflow for all those holes to make a difference though. Very unlikely to get that in a closet, not to mention the fact that the air probably goes stale relatively quickly
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#22199569 - 09/06/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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TheEaglesGift said: I second that, you need to commit to this hobby or it won't reward you. That's just the way it is.
If you truly must leave your grows unattended for days on end, monotubs would suit you well. They are very capable to produce well with minimal handling.
It's likely that I will try a monotub in addition to sclerotia. Again, in the meantime, what I'm doing is working well enough for me and my closest friends.
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: risky80]
#22199593 - 09/06/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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risky80 said: If i keep it in a closet what do i do. Can i trantransfer my cakes to a teal sgfc meaning will ui hurt the cakes if i move them now. And i mean a sgfc with holes on all six sides
If you have to leave the SGFC in the closet, I would leave the closet door open and indirectly point a fan towards the doorway. Teal would be fine, if it's too dense a teal cut a nice big hole in the lid of it and use seran wrap for a clear window for light to enter. Make sure to elevate it a couple of inches. If you're going to leave it unattended just do the best you can.
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Edited by iSmkGrnBud (09/06/15 09:20 PM)
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22199654 - 09/06/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What about moving the cakes
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: risky80]
#22199785 - 09/06/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you have enough room use a dinner plate to scoop under the cakes then transfer to SGFC. If not try to pull tension on both sides of the foil underneath the cakes to lift cakes then transfer. If you have to gently grab them and transfer.
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Edited by iSmkGrnBud (09/06/15 10:00 PM)
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: risky80]
#22199794 - 09/06/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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risky80 said: What about moving the cakes
Pick it up with your fingers.
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#22200015 - 09/06/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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TheEaglesGift said:
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risky80 said: What about moving the cakes
Pick it up with your fingers.
Yeah. I touch my cakes *way* too much (I've had a hard time trying to harvest without picking them up), and they're bruised as fuck, but the ones I dunked for second flush are sprouting like mad, so apparently bruising isn't the end of the world.
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: Sivarted]
#22201275 - 09/07/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok built a proper sgfc. Can i move my chamber in and out of my closet periodically. To help with fae. And light. I transsfered my cakes and perlite to sgfc. How do i know i have enough water it seems a little dry to me.
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: risky80]
#22201417 - 09/07/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There should be no standing water, just moist perlite....the water would drain out the holes u drilled in the bottom of the SGFC anyways.
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: PussyFart]
#22204423 - 09/07/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If the perlite is dry I would rehydrate it. You should have rinsed the perlite really well and then tilted the SGFC to drain. I would try to move the SGFC as little as possible.
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: PussyFart]
#22204428 - 09/07/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: There should be no standing water, just moist perlite....the water would drain out the holes u drilled in the bottom of the SGFC anyways.
Well I didn't see your response on the second page. Gotta love Shroomery on the mobile.
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Re: need help sgfc humidity problems? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#22215351 - 09/10/15 02:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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so I'm considering starting to mist every time I fan
Yes, very good idea.
So, uh, yeah, apparently that was a very good idea. I got about 2 ounces dried from my first flush, which is definitely on the low side for 16 cakes from what I've read. After dunking half the cakes for a second flush, I've been misting when I fan (which is still never more than twice a day, when I leave in the morning and when I get home) and this happened:

I got a few good sized ones first flush, but none of the cakes exploded quite like that. oO
Still leery about making a full-on SGFC out of it because I'm worried about humidity staying up given that I can't always give it all the attention it wants, but that's a pretty significant difference.
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