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Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once.
    #22198654 - 09/06/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Being a cop is not an easy job. We know this. But there are still some aspects to it that should not be that difficult to execute. Like, for instance, shooting a suspect. It should not take 84 attempts to hit a target. And yet, that’s exactly what happened last Friday when NYPD officers got in a gun fight with an attempted murder suspect in Bushwick. As the Huffington Post reports, out of the 84 shots fired at the man, only one actually hit him.

Early that morning, 27-year-old Jerrol Harris ran from the cops after attempting to steal a Brooklyn man’s car and shooting him in the arm. Police chased Harris who fired at them with a black .40-caliber Taurus Millennium pistol, according to The New York Times. After 84 shots fired by six different police officers, Harris was finally struck in the calf and brought down. Harris has 12 prior arrests, including four robberies and gun possession. He’s facing several counts of first-degree and second-degree attempted murder, as well as other felony charges.

Meanwhile, the NYPD should consider beefing up their target practice lessons. 



http://news.yahoo.com/police-fire-84-shots-man-233124390.html

And just in the leg of all places :lolsy: If you have to pick a place to get in shootout with cops, go there.


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22198670 - 09/06/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Probably rookie gun fight jitters

Next time they'll be more relaxed and be able to hit their target something like twice in 63 shot attempts

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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22198676 - 09/06/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

84 shots, 6 officers, 14 shots each on average.

What was the distance? How fast was the guy running? What kind of guns are they using? 6 guys missing 14 times each means that something defintely complicated things... Nobody misses 14 times if the target is obvious


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: Patlal]
    #22198703 - 09/06/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No idea there's video though. Doesn't seem like it was even rapid fire. Video also says they kept an eye on him while he tried to find cover. Meaning he wasn't really in a good cover position. I'm no marksman, but I'm pretty sure with second long aimed shots at someone not behind solid cover, I wouldn't need 84 shots to hit the target.



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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: Patlal]
    #22198705 - 09/06/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

cops punch holes in paper silhouettes.
i have gone shooting with ex dod, military and police. every time i take them out to my little slice of the desert they all ask, where is the 7 yard shot?

this 84 and 1 does not surprise me, specially if they are trying to make their glocks go further than 7 yards.


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #22198713 - 09/06/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like they need to be sent back to the Storm Trooper Academy for blaster training


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: rackem]
    #22198714 - 09/06/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Really? 7 yards is like training wheels or something. Pretty much impossible to miss. Or maybe a better comparison is bumper bowling. :lol:


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22198744 - 09/06/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, thats what they practice in the range for sidearms apparently.

seems a little weak imo.


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: rackem]
    #22198767 - 09/06/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I started out at almost twice that distance. Surprised they'd be trained that close up. I wasn't incredibly accurate, but I was only ever off by a couple of inches at most. Guess it has to do with what they deem to be effective range? If I were a cop or military or something, I'd want to have experience based on more than 7 yards. The last time I went I did a few mags at 25 and still managed a pretty damn decent grouping for a pistol.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22198780 - 09/06/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yeah it kinda blew me away when i heard it the 2nd time.

ill find out the reasoning behind it when i talk to one of them next.

and yeah im about +- 20 yards (i only shoot in the desert so only info i have is by what i have walked out)


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: rackem]
    #22198862 - 09/06/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Prolly because 75-90% of police shootings happen within 7 yards.

Damn 20 yards is a lot for a pistol. With a subcompact at 7 yards I have probably 5-6" groups and that's better than a lot of people.


Edited by luvdemboomers (09/06/15 07:22 PM)


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22198874 - 09/06/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah. I mean if you can shoot effectively at 20 yards, 7 is a cake walk. It just makes more sense to train for the extreme, rather than rely on statistics.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22198876 - 09/06/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

even if that is true.. something tells me that if you can reach out at 25 yards, 7 would be childs play.

but who knows what them cops think of mang.


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22198903 - 09/06/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah. I mean if you can shoot effectively at 20 yards, 7 is a cake walk. It just makes more sense to train for the extreme, rather than rely on statistics.



yea I agree

It might be that for qualification or something. I read an article last year about the fbi switching to 9mm from 40 because of recoil issues. I mean jesus if you are a federal agent and can't shoot well with a .40 you should probably find a different line of work. They went from 10mm to 40 to 9mm... what's next 380?


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22198943 - 09/06/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:lol: They're working their way towards .22. Progress takes time.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22198971 - 09/06/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Being a cop is not an easy job. We know this. But there are still some aspects to it that should not be that difficult to execute. Like, for instance, shooting a suspect. It should not take 84 attempts to hit a target. And yet, that’s exactly what happened last Friday when NYPD officers got in a gun fight with an attempted murder suspect in Bushwick. As the Huffington Post reports, out of the 84 shots fired at the man, only one actually hit him.

Early that morning, 27-year-old Jerrol Harris ran from the cops after attempting to steal a Brooklyn man’s car and shooting him in the arm. Police chased Harris who fired at them with a black .40-caliber Taurus Millennium pistol, according to The New York Times. After 84 shots fired by six different police officers, Harris was finally struck in the calf and brought down. Harris has 12 prior arrests, including four robberies and gun possession. He’s facing several counts of first-degree and second-degree attempted murder, as well as other felony charges.

Meanwhile, the NYPD should consider beefing up their target practice lessons. 



http://news.yahoo.com/police-fire-84-shots-man-233124390.html

And just in the leg of all places :lolsy: If you have to pick a place to get in shootout with cops, go there.






maybe he was running all serpentine and shit


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #22198986 - 09/06/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22198997 - 09/06/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Prolly because 75-90% of police shootings happen within 7 yards.

Damn 20 yards is a lot for a pistol. With a subcompact at 7 yards I have probably 5-6" groups and that's better than a lot of people.





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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22199082 - 09/06/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Prolly because 75-90% of police shootings happen within 7 yards.

Damn 20 yards is a lot for a pistol. With a subcompact at 7 yards I have probably 5-6" groups and that's better than a lot of people.



With a subcompact, sure. I've only shot one, but I don't like them. I can only base it on the one (It was a Sig IIRC) Fucking things are hard to hold onto and the handling is ridiculous. Took me way longer to reacquire the target than with my SR45 or wife's M9. I wasn't very accurate with it, either. I don't like them lol :snub:

The M9 at 25 yards, I get about 3-4 inch groupings through 30 or so rounds. I'm not quite as accurate with the Ruger but still reasonable.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22199272 - 09/06/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Prolly because 75-90% of police shootings happen within 7 yards.

Damn 20 yards is a lot for a pistol. With a subcompact at 7 yards I have probably 5-6" groups and that's better than a lot of people.



With a subcompact, sure. I've only shot one, but I don't like them. I can only base it on the one (It was a Sig IIRC) Fucking things are hard to hold onto and the handling is ridiculous. Took me way longer to reacquire the target than with my SR45 or wife's M9. I wasn't very accurate with it, either. I don't like them lol :snub:

The M9 at 25 yards, I get about 3-4 inch groupings through 30 or so rounds. I'm not quite as accurate with the Ruger but still reasonable.




That's impressive, how's the trigger on the M9? I've been full size shopping pretty sure I'm gonna go with a 1911.

And to be fair it had a pinky extension... those are a must


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22199286 - 09/06/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Uhh yeah 20 yards is a lot.







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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22199292 - 09/06/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

springfield armory 1911.. dont go any further.


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: rackem]
    #22199294 - 09/06/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yea i'm think springfield or colt, possibly ruger if I can find a good price on one


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22199306 - 09/06/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Uhh yeah 20 yards is a lot.










not saying people can't or dont shoot further just that it's a lot compared to the distances most people shoot at


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22199315 - 09/06/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I like it, but I'm not overly experienced enough to really compare it to much. I've shot a few other hammered semi's but the only two hand guns I have a lot of experience (1k+ rounds) with are the two I mentioned and one is hammerless, which is a completely different thing. I do like it though. It's very consistent and has a light pull. It's practically effortless. That's probably why I'm more accurate with it.

I want a 1911 more though. I have a little .22 1911, but I want a full sized one. I think they're hands down the sexiest hand gun out there. The only one of my guns I enjoy taking apart is my .22 (it breaks down the same exact way a full sized one does). The Ruger is kind of a pain the ass, the M9 just isn't "fun" to take apart. It works for it's purpose (to be easy and quick to break down and clean) but it's so uncomplicated. I dunno maybe I'm just weird, but I enjoy taking them apart almost as much as I enjoy shooting them.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22200775 - 09/07/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Uhh yeah 20 yards is a lot.










Holy shit...


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: Patlal]
    #22200790 - 09/07/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

And people act like guns are only good for killing.

Do you know how fucking incredible I'd feel if I made a shot like that? :lol: I was happy as fuck with my 3-4 inch groupings at 25 yards.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22202156 - 09/07/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I want a 1911 more though. I have a little .22 1911, but I want a full sized one.





rock island armory, they arent expensive but they're pretty solid


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22202244 - 09/07/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

All the arm chair baddasses in this thread crack me up. I'd like to see you guys do better at that distance, to a moving target, with a pistol, while you adrenalin is sky high. Its all fun and games when you are punching holes in a still piece of paper that isn't trying to kill you.


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: danielx]
    #22204363 - 09/07/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:rolleyes:

Unless he was like 100 feet away or ran like Usain Bolt, it should not take 84 aimed shots. I'm not acting like I could hit do 1 shot 1 hit, but I damn sure wouldn't require over 80 shots. I doubt I'd even need the 14 the average officer involved shot. I doubt many people who have had any real experience with firearms at all, would.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22204405 - 09/07/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

anyone with firearm experience knows pistols are only good for fighting your way to a rifle. Not saying these police aren't trash, but I am saying its alot harder then it appears. I know you think you know whatsup because you shoot at paper every once in awhile and play video games, but its not how things work in real life. Especially when im sure none of these cops have any real world experience and were shitting their pants.


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: danielx]
    #22204447 - 09/07/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not saying it's easy. I still stand by what I said though. It's understandable to miss a few shots, even a dozen, but at some point before 84 shots, it stops being about the situation and is a reflection on skill. I can only judge the situation based on what little information is available. That information tells me they made many slow aimed shots, and the suspect was not in solid cover (if any at all).


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Cops fire 84 times, only hit the suspect once. [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #22204569 - 09/07/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i cant believe this is still a conversation.

long of the short of it is this: if you cant hit shit.. dont keep shooting.


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