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OfflineBitter Cactus
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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: 1234go]
    #22209659 - 09/08/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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^^ that's actually great advice that I haven't heard a million times. Thanks brother.




:woah:  What in the actual fuck? These people are trying to give you good advice and you are being a snarky douche about it.





As much as I hate to say it, I don't think he was being snarky there. I think he meant it. :shrug: Could be wrong.




My bad for getting all pissed off his remark just ruffled my feathers a little bit.

But ya man we really do want to see you get better and sorry if my words were harsh.


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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #22209668 - 09/08/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Don't tell me not to do unquestionably life threatening drugs, ass hole. It really rubs me the wrong way.


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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
    #22209695 - 09/08/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

He's trying to withdrawl from heroin guys cut him a break. :justdontknow:


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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22209701 - 09/08/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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He's trying to withdrawl from heroin guys cut him a break. :justdontknow:




I'm proud of him if he is. I think he hates me now but when this is all over he will be more appreciative.


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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22209708 - 09/08/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Touché. The withdrawals alone can kill you, if you aren't careful. I guess he has merit to fear quitting.
His best option is obviously to ween off, but I sincerely doubt he has the discipline...

Or does he?


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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: Giftofdeprivation] * 1
    #22209743 - 09/08/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Also, sometimes you really do need to go to rehab. Most people cannot do it on their own and you may think you are better then rehab but it does take a man to admit he needs help.

It worked for me man and they give you the tools to get better.


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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: 1234go] * 3
    #22209764 - 09/08/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Junkies be mad irritable :sadyes: everything is all about other people fucking up your high, or getting in the way of you getting high.  I think Bill was being genuine and I understand where he is coming from too.  I used to resent everyone who would say the same shit over and over like it was just that easy, still kinda do to some extent.  I hate being told what I need to do.  Even people I love will drive me mad if they push too much. 

For me getting mad is the best way for me to get my shit together tho.  Bill is clearly getting fed up with the shit he is doing day in and day out, but the problem is he could easily do that for years and years still.  It's true, alot of people are assholes, and it is tempting to run to drugs to cope with your problems in life, but in the end when you do heroin the assholes win and you lose.  I think if you want to get clean, and more importantly get clean for the right reasons, you gotta push yourself.  He should be a bit riled up.

Then the trick is, the more you push the easier it gets, at least as long as you can stay healthy, which isn't forever.  Life never gets easy, but there are probably some things in your life that you are avoiding Bill that you either need to confront and set straight, or cut out of your life entirely.  It's never as simple as just the heroin, it's more about being honest with yourself about who you are as corny as that sounds.  You can learn this in AA/NA too, and maybe meet some great friends along the way.  24 is very young, and whatever people say you could still potentially turn it around if that is what you want.

Heroin becomes your enemy as soon as you become a friend to yourself.


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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22209858 - 09/08/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The people that come along with that scene are just going to get you in some bad situations. I repaired my bike and have been working out more which has done wonders with helping my drinking. Push yourself to the absolute max and you definitely get a workout high of some sorts :lol: makes me feel better about myself than downing 750ml of whiskey.

Plus I'm getting more looks from the ladies  :bashful:


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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22209884 - 09/08/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah honestly I never understood the idea of a runners high when I was younger and more into drugs, but the tingling feeling I get when I really work hard is similar to morphine, and in terms of making all my problems seem to blow away in the breeze exercise is 10x more effective and 100x more reliable than heroin.

Not when you're sick of course.  That part just takes dogged determination, but it does end as hard as it may be, and there is never a bad time to start kicking no matter what you tell yourself.


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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22210214 - 09/08/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Cigarettes are every bit as bad as heroin. You have a kid. Both heroin and smoking will take your kids dad away.

You need help. Rehab brother.


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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #22210233 - 09/08/15 11:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Cigarettes are not even comparable to heroin that comparison just pisses me off.

I have no problem with people getting off heroin using cigs to cope. Go through five packs a day for all I care, but get off the fucking heroin. You can still live a fulfilling and happy life being a smoker.

Moonshoe we are not mice in a lab we are real people. For almost anyone heroin fucks your life a million percent more then cigs. That comparison really shows how little you understand about real people in real life situations using drugs.


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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #22210242 - 09/08/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Cigarettes are not even comparable to heroin




as an avid fan of both heroin and tobacco, i will vouch for this statement


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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: Adolin] * 1
    #22210255 - 09/08/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It pisses me off that Moonshoe always makes these comparisons saying that cigs as bad as heroin or meth. Honestly if I were a father and my kid ended up a smoker my reaction would be :shrug: and say that he can make his own choices and I don't approve but it's not the end of the world.

If my kid did heroin or meth I would get a baseball bat and beat the shit out of him until he promised to never do it again.

Making these comparisons Moon is ridiculous cause like I said we are not mice in a lab people destroy their lives real quick on these hard drugs and cigs are still socially acceptable and you might get cancer but you are not gonna sell your ass or suck a dick for a puff of cigarette smoke.


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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22210260 - 09/08/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I sort of agree with you but at the same time that comparison isn't really that absurd. They're both very unhealthy habits that cost a lot of money, decline your health and cut years (if not decades) off your life.

My grandma smoked and quit, and ended up getting COPD from it anyways. She might as well of just died 10 years before she actually did. She may of still been breathing (barely) but she was in a constant health crisis and could practically do nothing. She had no life once that shit started up. She sat in her chair or laid on the couch because that's all she could do.

Cigarettes don't kill you the day you die, they kill long before then. You just have a pulse a little while longer.

I dunno it's my opinion, if it pisses you off, so be it. You deserve it for all the stupid jerry spam.


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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22210273 - 09/08/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I sort of agree with you but at the same time that comparison isn't really that absurd. They're both very unhealthy habits that cost a lot of money, decline your health and cut years (if not decades) off your life.

My grandma smoked and quit, and ended up getting COPD from it anyways. She might as well of just died 10 years before she actually did. She may of still been breathing (barely) but she was in a constant health crisis and could practically do nothing. She had no life once that shit started up. She sat in her chair or laid on the couch because that's all she could do.

Cigarettes don't kill you the day you die, they kill long before then. You just have a pulse a little while longer.

I dunno it's my opinion, if it pisses you off, so be it. You deserve for it all the stupid jerry spam.




I bet your grandma lived a good honorable life though.

Once you do heroin you can quickly become a thug and ruin your life in a matter of months and you steal from people and lie and do bad things.


These drugs are not comparable in any way. A society of cigarette smokers is a way better then a society of IV heroin users.


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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22210281 - 09/09/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

We are still animals, and it's really a matter of perspective.  Cigarettes are alot more deadly, and a big part of that reason is that it is so common people are prone to just shrug it off.  I don't think the withdrawal is nearly as bad when it comes to quitting cigarettes, but people are different, and withdrawal is a really relative thing.  Once it's bad, it's bad. 

Alot of people in concentration camps and such would forego basic necessities for cigarettes.

Something I've heard though is that there are very few studies on people who smoke <pack/day.  I think cigarettes are easier to moderate for most people, but there's always exceptions I think when it comes to things like this.


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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #22210288 - 09/09/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

A good portion of smokers smoke all their life and don't even get cancer and are rich and have kids and bells and whistles and everything they want in life.

To compare that to a heroin junkie is laughable.


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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22210293 - 09/09/15 12:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Are the two interchangeable? No. Can a decent comparison be drawn between them? Yes. You're picking out the parts that separate them and make heroin the worse drug to back up your argument. Heroin isn't even close to being as widely accepted as cigarettes. They ruin far more people's lives than heroin ever has.

Does heroin have the ability to turn people into thugs and criminals? Yes. So do cigarettes. People steal and beg all the time to fund their cig habit when they can't afford it.


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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22210312 - 09/09/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Does heroin have the ability to turn people into thugs and criminals? Yes. So do cigarettes. People steal and beg all the time to fund their cig habit when they can't afford it.




i dunno man. really? :lol:... i know people bum smokes, and pick up half smoked butts, but ive never heard of someone stealing to fund their cigarette habit. usually, if someones willing to steal they have a way bigger problem than tobacco

maybe the media just doesnt talk about cigarette junkies....


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Re: Wow people are fucking stupid. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22210314 - 09/09/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Are the two interchangeable? No. Can a decent comparison be drawn between them? Yes. You're picking out the parts that separate them and make heroin the worse drug to back up your argument. Heroin isn't even close to being as widely accepted as cigarettes. They ruin far more people's lives than heroin ever has.

Does heroin have the ability to turn people into thugs and criminals? Yes. So do cigarettes. People steal and beg all the time to fund their cig habit when they can't afford it.




Never seen someone do a robbery or shoot someone over a pack of cigs like people do for dope.

People do not sell their ass or suck a dick for a cig like they do for dope.

Most heroin users fuck up their lives in record time and dedicate everything to the dope. Most cig smokers are normal people that go to school and have friends and dreams and are moving forward in life.

Cigs are not good for you, but neither are greasy cheeseburgers that give you diabetes and heart attacks. I still would rather hook my kid up with fast food most days of the week instead of give them heroin even once. I would knock my kid out if he ever did heroin.

The comparison here is ridiculous.


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