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Count of Sabugosa
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Best of the Worst?
#22197240 - 09/06/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's too soon, but as Trump still has plenty of steam left, the choices start to narrow even for the GOP. I am a Democrat, liberal, progressive, whatever you wish to call it, but I do not like (as a politician) Hillary Clinton. I would much rather Bernie Sanders was the Democrat's ticket, but either Biden or Sanders are, in my opinion, a bit too old for the job (IMO only, of course).
In any case, if Trump is the Republican nominee and Clinton the Democrat's, ideally (since neither, IMO, represent their parties well) who would be the "less worse' or the best of the worst?
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That choice is easy peasy. Trump of course, he is the only one who will change the crooked system we have now. Bitchlary is a product of the crooked system, and has sold her vote already to so many "donors" its hard to count. If you go to her with a big bribe, she will look over her list and probably say "no, I'm already taken on that position" and suggest something else you could bribe her to do.
Not that trump is ideal, I frankly did not have a good opinion of him before the campaign, still think he is overbearing, but, I think he may be honest. He is addressing the problems we have and will not let china or any other country just walk over him like obumble has done repeatedly. Compared to him, Hillary is just as bad, trump looks very good in comparison. You want an honest asshole who tells you what he will do and does it or a sleazy lying creep who promises the moon but delivers moldy green cheese?
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What about the fact that he has no understanding whatsoever of foreign policy? How will he deliver? I unfortunately agree with you in regards to Hillary, but Trump is no easy choice to swallow. I hope he fades away soon...
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>What about the fact that he has no understanding whatsoever of foreign policy?
Oh? Can you give me an example of that? I agree he shoots from the hip a lot but he seems pretty solid on most things. What is it you want him to understand about foreign policy? Are you saying our present policies are the correct ones? How about our policy of sending out drones to murder people that look suspicious? Or continuing the Iraq war, Afghanistan, Syria, yemen, and other places? I think we need fresh thinking in those areas rather than someone who "understands" that we need to keep doing it. The majority of us are against our present foreign policies for the most part, what about you?
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Well, his quotes:
"Hugh Hewitt: So the difference between Hezbollah and Hamas does not matter to you yet, but it will?
Donald Trump: It will when it’s appropriate. I will know more about it than you know, and believe me, it won’t take me long.
HH: All right, that, I believe."
His statement about making Mexico pay for a fictitious wall that will probably not be built even if he is president is another example.
One more relates to seizing Iraqi oil fields to stop ISIS financing...
Before you say those things are remotely possible, let me tell you that yes, they are, but for him to deliver on his promises would be the equivalent of winning the lottery twice in two different countries.
When it comes do diplomacy, if this is the way he approaches foreign policy, he will further isolate the US, and damage its image in the world even more, which, in our days, is not a very good idea.
In this sense, Clinton is a much better option IMO, since she is well experienced in these matters, and do not fool yourself thinking Trump will not receive bribes in some shape or form.
Not such an easy choice, but Trump, to me, should not even be accepted into the GOP, and is damaging its image.
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> "Hugh Hewitt: So the difference between Hezbollah and Hamas does not matter to you yet, but it will?
> Donald Trump: It will when it’s appropriate. I will know more about it than you know, and believe me, it won’t take me long.
What is the problem here? When something comes up with one or the other, he will deal with it accordingly.
>His statement about making Mexico pay for a fictitious wall that will probably not be built even if he is president is another example.
The wall is a great idea. It will save the border patrol a ton of money catching and sending them back, also keeps the illegals out. His idea for making mexico pay for it includes various legal things he can do. Its in his policy statement, it was posted in this forum a while back.
>One more relates to seizing Iraqi oil fields to stop ISIS financing...
And your problem is? I see no complaint from you about our idiotic war over there, how many people have we killed and things blown up? We either pull out of there and let the chips fall where they may or do what is needed.
>In this sense, Clinton is a much better option IMO, since she is well experienced in these matters
Well experienced in taking bribes you mean. Is Benghazi an example of her experience and expertize? How about the email server scandal or the many other scandals? All they have on trump is some of his business ventures failed. Billary is dirty politics as usual, she has sold her vote for "donations" for the tune of some 80 to 100 million$. Jeb is just as bad, we need a new broom not the same old crap that got us in the state we are. Trump or sanders for pres.
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> "Hugh Hewitt: So the difference between Hezbollah and Hamas does not matter to you yet, but it will?
> Donald Trump: It will when it’s appropriate. I will know more about it than you know, and believe me, it won’t take me long.
What is the problem here? When something comes up with one or the other, he will deal with it accordingly
So if you were interviewing me for a job , and you asked me about a specific skill that was required to do the job , and my answer was I don't know shit about that but don't worry I'll know more than you when I need too ,after you hire me , you would go , oh fucking perfect your awesome your hired . Not knowing shit from shinola about about your job and pretending details don't matter is a problem . "" Mr. Trump said that his experience at the New York Military Academy, an expensive prep school where his parents had sent him to correct poor behavior, gave him “more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military"""" You know he had vietnam draft defered 4 times right?
"""My number was so incredible and it was a very high draft number. Anyway so I never had to do that, but I felt that I was in the military in the true sense because I dealt with those people," Trump told Michael D’Antonio, the author of the forthcoming book """ Ya , what a fucking idiot .
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Re: Best of the Worst? [Re: psilynut]
#22206746 - 09/08/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You guys are grasping at straws, you realize trump is looking more and more inevitable every day and hate the idea that the old crooked system may come to an end. It may end a little with sanders but will change a lot when trump gets in.
>So if you were interviewing me for a job , and you asked me about a specific skill that was required to do the job , and my answer was I don't know shit about that but don't worry I'll know more than you when I need too ,after you hire me , you would go , oh fucking perfect your awesome your hired . Not knowing shit from shinola about about your job and pretending details don't matter is a problem .
Knowing all the policies and background of hama vs hezbola is not a "skill" that he needs to have right now. You think obumble knew anything about anything when he was running? He still has no clue, his foreign policy is in shambles, he refuses to learn from his mistakes and we are involved in a bunch of countries fighting and trying to defeat some group or another. Funny how you left wingnuts never say a peep about that but bitch about the least little thing when its a gop.
Trump will clean up the mess left by the last few presidents and then of course you will try to give obumble the credit when all he did was make the mess and trump fixed it.
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Re: Best of the Worst? [Re: psilynut]
#22206831 - 09/08/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just look how well Obama did with having zero experience when first taking office. He was more of a community organizer than a politician, and had nothing as far as real life experience is concerned. Nobody would hire Obama over Trump to run anything. Unless it involves stirring up race relations.
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oh I'm sorry is Obama running again?
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Just look how well Obama did with having zero experience when first taking office. He was more of a community organizer than a politician, and had nothin
No experiance means you will suck , great we agree trump shouldn't be president. Quote:
You think obumble knew anything about anything when he was running? He still has no clue, his foreign policy is in shambles, he refuses to learn from his mistakes and we are involved in a bunch of countries fighting and trying to defeat some group or another. Funny how you
Ok so no experience means you may suck as much as Obama . So you must think trump shouldn't be pres either , Great!
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Re: Best of the Worst? [Re: psilynut]
#22207131 - 09/08/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't really see how one can honestly compare trump and Osama, one was a community organizer, one is a multibillionaire international business man, I think experience is important, and I'm sure trump would surround himself with people who have experience in the areas in which he is lacking...
One thing I know for sure, America doesn't need anymore career politicians... When they're more worried about being re-elected than doing the right thing, that's a problem...
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Ya if trump wins I hope he surrounds himself with people who have experience and can tell him what to do also .
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Re: Best of the Worst? [Re: psilynut]
#22207211 - 09/08/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I guess you guys got this one from this point onward lol
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As far as candidates not having political experience, well, how has US foreign policy--and fiscal policy, monetary policy, et --worked out for the last 20 years? As far as I'm concerned, you could put a ring-tailed baboon into the oval office, and he could make policy decisions by being rewarded with bananas off a stem, and it would be an improvement
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[ As far as candidates not having political experience, well, how has US foreign policy--and fiscal policy, monetary policy, et --worked out for the last 20 years? /quote]
No matter how bad how things may seem , they can always be way worse . if the only positive thing you can say about a candidate is he has no experience then I think that's a problem . How can I talk shit about him if he and I both don't know specifically what the fuck he wants to do ?
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Re: Best of the Worst? [Re: psilynut]
#22210812 - 09/09/15 05:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seriously, I think that those who believe in Trump are WAY more naive than those who believe in the political power of Clinton, although I would vote for Sanders. Never for a Republican, but if it is between Clinton and John Kasich I will have to do some "soul searching" (wink wink).
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I think trump can straighten us out financially. Walling up a border is a fucked up solution to something that is percieved as a problem. I don't give a fuck if Mexico wants to move in and work. Change the laws to accommodate for tax pay instead. God knows a smaller and smaller percentage of coming generations wanna bust their asses working, and more and more are growing up with a fucked up idea of self entitlement. Let the Mexicans work. I live on the Canadian border I don't care bout them taking jobs, if I feel wronged by losing a job to a Canadian then I should b better then.
Hillary I think can smooth over some global politics for us becauee she enjoys that game of pompous hospitality politically correct stick up the ass routine.
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Re: Best of the Worst? [Re: nuentoter]
#22210853 - 09/09/15 06:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why do you think he can do anything? Where is any evidence beyond sheer belief that he can be a good gov. administrator? I would rather have Mitt Romney back as a candidate in such case.
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I said nothing about being a good gov. Official. Simply he has a business oriented mindset that can fix our financial situation. I believe that's his only merit honestly.
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>Why do you think he can do anything? Where is any evidence beyond sheer belief that he can be a good gov. administrator
Lol, look who is accusing others of basing decisions on "sheer belief"
> I would vote for Sanders. Never for a Republican
This shows right here you do not look past the d or r and you don't care if its the best r that ever lived, you would still take the worst d that ever lived instead. Agreed sanders is the best d, but you already said if it was the nasty bitch vs anyone else, you will take nasty bitch.
I said I would take sanders over all the d's and all the r's except trump. This shows I'm open minded and make my decisions on something other than faith in the label like you and so many other left wingers and right wingers do.
"experience"? None of the candidates have experience as president, that is a silly thing to say. Trump has tons of experience running a business. Govt in many ways is a business. We have a goof in office who can not walk and chew gum. If he was put in charge of apple, one of the most successful businesses ever, he would run it into the ground and force it to close its doors. He put us into more debt than all 42 previous presidents put together including shrub (bush jr) who you left wingnuts like to hate on. He was a goof but obumble put us under water more than all previous presidents in history put together including shrub.
There is no reasoning with those true believers who have drunk the kool aid and never have to decide which party is best. You could put a st bernard in the d slot and they will say to themselves "he will have good advisors, vote d"
The wall is a good idea. Making mexico pay for it is a good idea. He will put a tax on remittances back to mexico, they suck billions out of our economy every year and send it home. Trump will make them pay for it as well with a tariff on their exports to us. Let them get mad and keep their veggies loaded with salmonella and other diseases we keep hearing about. They need us, we do not need them.
Trump will reverse the deficit and make it into a profit. He has done it all his life, that's why he is a billionaire. Obumble is a millionaire by being a politician, a useless one at that. More than $18 trillion in debt now. Hill will be more of the same, she is even more shameless about taking bribes, she runs them through a so called "charity" whose main expenditures seem to be luxury for the Clintons. You people want another crook.
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