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ballsalsa said: so then explain to me again why the people who gain the most benefit from living in america shouldn't pay taxes in proportion to the benefit enjoyed
The most benefit? Please explain to me how a single male home owner gets more benefit from living in America than a married homeowner who send his 6 kids to public education
And yes, the single guy pays a higher tax rate,
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#23702556 - 10/03/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Most people are stupid.
most wealthy business men are also stupid. they certainly never grasp a single thing about philosophy in their life. so they went into business. i know i'm generalising. sure there are learned business men, but it's not the norm. the norm is, they aren't interested in being "smart". they're more interested in being rich, and that doesn't take most kinds of smarts...nor does it take much intellect. mostly it takes very little intellectual heft to get a business off the ground...to get Trump rich, even, takes no real amount of said heft.
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ballsalsa said: so a disabled, and chronically ill veteran without private medical insurance, and who has 7 kids should pay the highest tax rate then?
Rate? No. Amount? Maybe.
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Enlil said: Most people are stupid.
most wealthy business men are also stupid. they certainly never grasp a single thing about philosophy in their life. so they went into business. i know i'm generalising. sure there are learned business men, but it's not the norm. the norm is, they aren't interested in being "smart". they're more interested in being rich, and that doesn't take most kinds of smarts...nor does it take much intellect. mostly it takes very little intellectual heft to get a business off the ground...to get Trump rich, even, takes no real amount of said heft.
If it was easy, there would be no poverty, everyone could just get rich starting a business. You're statement really shows you're fucking clueless as to what it takes to build a business
You don't like trump, we get that, but to say it takes no intellect at all to build a billion dollar business is just asinine, as most of your posts are
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you're continually fooling yourself.
i never said it was 'easy'. i said 'sure, there are learned business men'.
did you miss that?
'the norm', i said, is that big business is about making money...ever see Shark Tank?
i wasn't talking about small businesses, and people whom go into more high-tech businesses, or creative business, like say furniture making...that stuff requires not only learned business skills (hardly a talent, but you could call salesmanship a talent, and that is incorporated at a finite level in big business, but moreso in small businesses -- or dealerships, and or real estate, but the ethics are way different, and ugly: see: Trump -- even though, guess what, there is always a silver lining, if you look hard enough, you can hope that Trump's ego will kick into a good mode, and get his kicks from implementing his tax plan properly; it could be good for small business), but i digress...
the high-tech businesses require actual skills and talents outside of making money. end point.
businessmen are not known for philosophy or science, but their business acumen.
you did not A: read my post properly -- my original post...not this one, i hope -- and B: you missed the point entirely.
Donald Trump being a good businessman does not mean he's smart. most businessmen will tell you, "i know how to run a business..." and they do, but what they don't so is anything else, for a lot of businessmen. why do you think so much corporate people can't hack it and end up opening their own small business? because big business is for those whom can hack it.
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Typical progressive logic: provide a cohesive argument to explain your position
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hell, even Dolan would say, "we're gonna run America like a business, i know how to run a bizness so don't worry 'bout it, AH HAHAHA!"
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*claims $916,000,000 losses on taxes*
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Question for Trump supporters:
Do you think Trump is right that he's smart for avoiding federal taxes?
If so, how do you square this with your constant harping on the poor not contributing?
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"Trump -- even though, guess what, there is always a silver lining, if you look hard enough, you can hope that Trump's ego will kick into a good mode, and get his kicks from implementing his tax plan properly; it could be good for small business)," Akira Akuma
I believe this to be true...I think his motivation is in part(possibly a huge part) his EGO. But for an ego maniac there is nothing better then to be beloved and elevated by millions, and to go down in history as a pivotal figure in the battle vs Globalism. To be talked about for decades in classrooms and history books IMHO would be the highest ascension possible for someone who is an ego maniac.
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I for one am a Trump supporter. And I feel he is smart. He is only operating by the rules of the game that are set forth for him. You can't hate the player hate the game.
But I don't harp on poor people for not contributing. So I can't square it away like that. I personally came from a very poor family and know what it's like to be very poor.
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The Ecstatic said: *claims $916,000,000 losses on taxes*
Trump and his family will get into Debt heaven...peeps here know, good for Trumpy-boy and his fams, they won't get burned alive for eternity for the 15 gorillion.
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Peteyboy said: I for one am a Trump supporter. And I feel he is smart. He is only operating by the rules of the game that are set forth for him. You can't hate the player hate the game.
from the last debate, this "smart game" was certainly not evident. Trump trumped himself.
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Yeah well for his first ever general election debate in front of a 100 million people, Debating with a broken mic, and Hillary being coached by someone through an ear piece I think he did pretty damn well. I also think we will see major improvements in the next two. Oh and I'm positive he will be taking the gloves off. Should be pretty fantastic!
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The Ecstatic said: Question for Trump supporters:
Do you think Trump is right that he's smart for avoiding federal taxes?
If so, how do you square this with your constant harping on the poor not contributing?
He uses the best tax accountants to do their job, the current tax code is NOT his fault.
I do have issue with some of the ways the TAX CODE enables him to defer tax payments out into the future, that's NOT his fault.
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Peteyboy said: Yeah well for his first ever general election debate in front of a 100 million people, Debating with a broken mic, and Hillary being coached by someone through an ear piece I think he did pretty damn well. I also think we will see major improvements in the next two. Oh and I'm positive he will be taking the gloves off. Should be pretty fantastic!
i have a question
why is it that Trump didn't see her making these gestures, and call it out? he was watching her the whole time.
touching your nostril to the bridge of your nose is a common gesture of "gotchya", or "on the nose", in otherwords. is that all she did, was do that?
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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
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qman said:
He uses the best tax accountants to do their job, the current tax code is NOT his fault.
I do have issue with some of the ways the TAX CODE enables him to defer tax payments out into the future, that's NOT his fault.
with all this in mind, can you tell HU to stop praising Trump for making pishechtz all on his farbisseneh punim. oy vey!
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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
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The Ecstatic said: Question for Trump supporters:
Do you think Trump is right that he's smart for avoiding federal taxes?
If so, how do you square this with your constant harping on the poor not contributing?
He uses the best tax accountants to do their job, the current tax code is NOT his fault.
I do have issue with some of the ways the TAX CODE enables him to defer tax payments out into the future, that's NOT his fault.
Yet you chastise poor people for taking advtange of social programs and subsidies.
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The Ecstatic said: Question for Trump supporters:
Do you think Trump is right that he's smart for avoiding federal taxes?
If so, how do you square this with your constant harping on the poor not contributing?
He uses the best tax accountants to do their job, the current tax code is NOT his fault.
I do have issue with some of the ways the TAX CODE enables him to defer tax payments out into the future, that's NOT his fault.
Yet you chastise poor people for taking advtange of social programs and subsidies.
No I don't, I chastise non-US citizens for taking advantage of social programs.
I'm in favor of a universal health care system for the US, I have been for it for all of my adult life.
I don't have issue with food stamps, public housing, welfare and other social services. I just want a strong tight labor market that would create less reliance on those services.
When policymakers destroy the working class, social services must be there to try and make up some of the difference.
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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
#23703112 - 10/03/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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you talk as if policy makers single-handedly did nothing but wrought destruction, paying no mind to the reasons why regulation ever had to be implemented in the first place.
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The Ecstatic said: Question for Trump supporters:
Do you think Trump is right that he's smart for avoiding federal taxes?
If so, how do you square this with your constant harping on the poor not contributing?
Yes he is right. He took advantage of the unfair laws of our country that evil multinational corporations have lobbied for and got passed by corrupt politicians like Hillary.
How do I square it? Well, Trump employs tens of thousands of people. The poor people who collect welfare and pay almost nothing in taxes don't employ anyone. I get that Donald uses welfare as well. He uses corporate welfare whenever possible. The point is that all of these laws that give taxpayer money to undeserving people are bullshit. I have a grudge against anyone who uses them. The different is that Donald is actively campaigning against these laws and vows to stop them, but poor people are going to vote for Hillary in droves, who will then pay out more welfare of all kinds than even Obama did.
Did you hear? Not only did Hillary call all of you BernBots basement dwellers with no hope but then sanders said she's absolutely correct. sanders is the most cucked politician in history. Hillary probably threatened him.
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