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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23607703 - 09/03/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think you might want to look up the word before you start making up your own definition.


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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
    #23607710 - 09/03/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah look it up and while your at check out the conduct of the whores that hang out here for a meager living.

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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23607784 - 09/03/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You were objecting to improving our immigration procedures and providing a path to citizenshipEDIT
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It wouldn't.  The best way to reduce illegal immigration is to make legal immigration easy.


, we weren't talking about the border.

A nation is defined by its monopoly on the legitimate use of violence within defined geographical borders.
I don't see anything about requiring a monolithic white christian culture or keeping the short, poor, brown people
out.

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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23607809 - 09/03/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
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qman said:
Yeah, your open borders for everyone doesn't fly with the US population, try again.




He just wants more criminals in the US, it's good for business



:curbyourenthusiasm: yeah, that's what he said.

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Borders and citizenship do define a nation. If you don't have borders you don't have a nation. :shrug:



yeah, that's what was said. :lolsy:


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23607822 - 09/03/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Project much?

Knock yourself out




Thanks for proving my point.




So you read all of that and then commented in 180 seconds?

You should lend some of that ability to your brethren.


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Re: Trump *DELETED* [Re: Enlil]
    #23607985 - 09/03/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Trump [Re: sweeper54]
    #23607987 - 09/03/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Ho come you never worry about the $6.2 Billion/year the government pays out in benefits to Walmart Workers.



Is that something I should worry about?  I worry about the nearly $600 billion spent on the military.



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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23608001 - 09/03/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Peteyboy said:
What about the wall would you like to discuss?




How is the US going to force Mexico to pay for it

How much will it cost us to build, maintain, and staff

How much will it stem illegal immigration and smuggling in general

Is it cost efficient




Most Americans don't give a fuck who pays for the wall, Trump said the wall would cost $12 billion, experts are calling for $15 to $25 billion, so be it.

"Is it cost efficient"

How come you never worried about the $130 billion PER YEAR illegals and their children cost US taxpayers?  Deporting illegals and buying a wall is cheap relative to having them live in the US, the wall offers an excellent return on investment.





60% of the illegals fly in and overstay their visas. A wall no matter how 'Beautiful' will not stop them.


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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
    #23608006 - 09/03/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

And there's a lot more in Anti-terrorism


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Re: Trump [Re: sweeper54] * 2
    #23608011 - 09/03/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

At least Walmart workers are providing a service.  The military only serves to make us less safe and more hated.


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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
    #23608431 - 09/03/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I use of the military by the government make us more hated.


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Re: Trump [Re: sweeper54]
    #23608628 - 09/03/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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sweeper54 said:
Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
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Peteyboy said:
What about the wall would you like to discuss?




How is the US going to force Mexico to pay for it

How much will it cost us to build, maintain, and staff

How much will it stem illegal immigration and smuggling in general

Is it cost efficient




Most Americans don't give a fuck who pays for the wall, Trump said the wall would cost $12 billion, experts are calling for $15 to $25 billion, so be it.

"Is it cost efficient"

How come you never worried about the $130 billion PER YEAR illegals and their children cost US taxpayers?  Deporting illegals and buying a wall is cheap relative to having them live in the US, the wall offers an excellent return on investment.





60% of the illegals fly in and overstay their visas. A wall no matter how 'Beautiful' will not stop them.




I noticed that Trump had was referring to the criminal illegals, not the illegals that are over here on expired visa. But those illegals that has committed a crime while they are over here on an expired visa. But the ones that are here on a valid visa, the tourist, that has committed a crime, will be deported back to there country like any other tourist that has committed crime. Like if we goes to another country like France or Italy, when we committed a violent crime, our visa will be revoke and we are deported back at that moment. But those tourist that comes over here and commits a crime, that they are sent back. But some hides from the law and still work without a green card. But then there are some that committed a crime over here and were deported back, but comes back under a new name and commits another crime and goes back, but come again under another new name. Mexico has to keep better documents of there citizens. The way things look over there, that there documents says that there population is over a trillion, and three quarters of the people of the country has the same first and last name and lived over 200 years old. They are most likely actually taking up their parents name by holding onto their I.D. as if it were theirs. I remember that when I was young a kid, I had thought that every Mexican name were Danny Rodriguez because there were so many of them with that name.
Back in the days, I had knew people that are born and raised here that had two or more social security numbers. But now, the government keeps track of who is born, but death is still a problem with the democrats voters. The same people has been still voting for the Democratic party ever since Andrew Jackson were alive.


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23608700 - 09/03/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

Peteyboy said:
What about the wall would you like to discuss?




How is the US going to force Mexico to pay for it

How much will it cost us to build, maintain, and staff

How much will it stem illegal immigration and smuggling in general

Is it cost efficient




Most Americans don't give a fuck who pays for the wall, Trump said the wall would cost $12 billion, experts are calling for $15 to $25 billion, so be it.

"Is it cost efficient"

How come you never worried about the $130 billion PER YEAR illegals and their children cost US taxpayers?  Deporting illegals and buying a wall is cheap relative to having them live in the US, the wall offers an excellent return on investment.




Exactly, isn't it funny how fiscally conservative progressives become when it comes to a program they oppose?

Yes, they can make Mexico pay for it with a variety of different tactics, taxing remittances to Mexico, tarriffs, and trade deals. Only progressives think it's gonna be Mexico "giving us a check" how fucking dumb:facepalm:




Taxing remittances wouldn't cost Mexico anything, it would cost the people who send the remittances be they Americans, Mexicans, or what have you.

Tariffs also would not cost Mexico anything, though Exporters in Mexico, and perhaps the end users would have to pony up some dough.

Trade deals is a pretty vague term, so i'm not gonna touch that one.

what else have you got?


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Re: Trump [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23608710 - 09/03/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Trump [Re: Douglas Howard] * 1
    #23608771 - 09/03/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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sweeper54 said:


60% of the illegals fly in and overstay their visas. A wall no matter how 'Beautiful' will not stop them.




I noticed that Trump had was referring to the criminal illegals, not the illegals that are over here on expired visa. But those illegals that has committed a crime while they are over here on an expired visa. But the ones that are here on a valid visa, the tourist, that has committed a crime, will be deported back to there country like any other tourist that has committed crime. Like if we goes to another country like France or Italy, when we committed a violent crime, our visa will be revoke and we are deported back at that moment. But those tourist that comes over here and commits a crime, that they are sent back. But some hides from the law and still work without a green card. But then there are some that committed a crime over here and were deported back, but comes back under a new name and commits another crime and goes back, but come again under another new name. Mexico has to keep better documents of there citizens. The way things look over there, that there documents says that there population is over a trillion, and three quarters of the people of the country has the same first and last name and lived over 200 years old. They are most likely actually taking up their parents name by holding onto their I.D. as if it were theirs. I remember that when I was young a kid, I had thought that every Mexican name were Danny Rodriguez because there were so many of them with that name.
Back in the days, I had knew people that are born and raised here that had two or more social security numbers. But now, the government keeps track of who is born, but death is still a problem with the democrats voters. The same people has been still voting for the Democratic party ever since Andrew Jackson were alive.




Doug the point is that the wall won't stop most of the illegals coming into this country, it's just another to way hate on Browns and stir up a fight between the parties, not a solution to the problem.


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Re: Trump [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23608866 - 09/03/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:Taxing remittances wouldn't cost Mexico anything, it would cost the people who send the remittances be they Americans, Mexicans, or what have you.

Tariffs also would not cost Mexico anything, though Exporters in Mexico, and perhaps the end users would have to pony up some dough.

Trade deals is a pretty vague term, so i'm not gonna touch that one.

what else have you got?




Each of those things would admittedly put a lot of pressure on Mexico and its possible we
might even be able to extort multiple billion from the gov't. But then who the fuck are we as a nation?

Demanding protection money from our neighbors and NATO allies? Fuck that America. Is that your proposed
route to greatness?

What Trump's website suggests is actually requiring documentation of legal status before permitting
anyone to wire a remittance. This is reasonable, but Im doubtful of its efficacy. Its 2016 and Western Union
is a fucking telegram company. There are several work arounds that are nearly as convenient. Someone remind me to stock
up on bitcoin if it looks like Trump is going to win.


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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
    #23608868 - 09/03/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I think you might want to look up the word before you start making up your own definition.




http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nation

"a more or less defined territory and government...a territorial division containing a body of people"

"you might want to look up the word"


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Re: Trump [Re: Crumist]
    #23608879 - 09/03/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crumist said:
You were objecting to improving our immigration procedures and providing a path to citizenshipEDIT
Quote:

It wouldn't.  The best way to reduce illegal immigration is to make legal immigration easy.


, we weren't talking about the border.

A nation is defined by its monopoly on the legitimate use of violence within defined geographical borders.
I don't see anything about requiring a monolithic white christian culture or keeping the short, poor, brown people
out.





You do know immigration laws are not based on race, so why are you bringing it up?  Calling people racist doesn't mean you won the debate. :facepalm:

The illegal Eastern Europeans also need to be deported. BTW, I'm a Polish American.


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Re: Trump [Re: Crumist]
    #23608898 - 09/03/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crumist said:
Quote:

ballsalsa said:Taxing remittances wouldn't cost Mexico anything, it would cost the people who send the remittances be they Americans, Mexicans, or what have you.

Tariffs also would not cost Mexico anything, though Exporters in Mexico, and perhaps the end users would have to pony up some dough.

Trade deals is a pretty vague term, so i'm not gonna touch that one.

what else have you got?




Each of those things would admittedly put a lot of pressure on Mexico and its possible we
might even be able to extort multiple billion from the gov't. But then who the fuck are we as a nation?

Demanding protection money from our neighbors and NATO allies? Fuck that America. Is that your proposed
route to greatness?





So you don't mind your paycheck getting ripped to pieces to provide free military support for EU and Asian nations?  The military industrial complex and EU/Asian citizens enjoy your generosity.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 1
    #23608933 - 09/03/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't claim to have won the debate. Nor did I call anyone racist, the same way I'm sure
everyone is thinking about the myriad of undocumented immigrants when Trump says
"illegals" and speaks about building a border wall. Or the how everyone thinks of the
ritzy neighborhoods of Manhattan when talking about the "inner city." Are you now the champion
of PC speech? Why are conservative codewords permissible but liberal terms are destroying the
country and a form of mind-control?

Many of those countries don't even want our bases there (eg. Okinawa). Do you intend to demand
payment for these countries for the privilege of being occupied by troublemaking US troops? The EU and
Asian nations curse you for your mafioso style protection racket.


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