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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
    #23607348 - 09/03/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you really believe that a wall will reduce illegal immigration?




It's part of the equation to reduce it.


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Re: Trump [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23607353 - 09/03/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Thermopylae is not one of the most historically significant battles of history.  Hell, it isn't even the most significant battle of that invasion.  Sure, it is symbolically interesting, but the Persian invasion was actually stopped at the naval battle of Salamis.




I believe this is arguable. Thermopylae is extremely historically significant. This battle is studied meticulously at West point along with many other historically significant battles. It marked the beginning of the invasion of Greece by the Persians. Which as you said led to much greater naval battles in which the Greeks were victorious. But the historical symbolism is significant, I'm afraid much more so then your giving it credit.




I didn't say that it hasn't been studied extensively.  I did say that it was not historically significant, primarily because it did not produce any decisive result.    Like the Battle of Marathon a decade earlier, Thermopylae is primarily studied because:

a) It is one of the earlier, well documented battles of western history

b) It is a cool story.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23607451 - 09/03/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Enlil said:
Do you really believe that a wall will reduce illegal immigration?




It's part of the equation to reduce it.




Well shit, we have a wall right now in places.  It's not stopping much.  Perhaps our current wall is not high-tech enough.  How would a full-length wall be any different?


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Re: Trump [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23607462 - 09/03/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It wouldn't.  The best way to reduce illegal immigration is to make legal immigration easy.


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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
    #23607473 - 09/03/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah that's what I'm thinking.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23607481 - 09/03/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What about the wall would you like to discuss?




How is the US going to force Mexico to pay for it

How much will it cost us to build, maintain, and staff

How much will it stem illegal immigration and smuggling in general

Is it cost efficient




Most Americans don't give a fuck who pays for the wall, Trump said the wall would cost $12 billion, experts are calling for $15 to $25 billion, so be it.

"Is it cost efficient"

How come you never worried about the $130 billion PER YEAR illegals and their children cost US taxpayers?  Deporting illegals and buying a wall is cheap relative to having them live in the US, the wall offers an excellent return on investment.




Exactly, isn't it funny how fiscally conservative progressives become when it comes to a program they oppose?

Yes, they can make Mexico pay for it with a variety of different tactics, taxing remittances to Mexico, tarriffs, and trade deals. Only progressives think it's gonna be Mexico "giving us a check" how fucking dumb:facepalm:


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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
    #23607490 - 09/03/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It wouldn't.  The best way to reduce illegal immigration is to make legal immigration easy.




Yeah, your open borders for everyone doesn't fly with the US population, try again.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23607492 - 09/03/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Says you.


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Re: Trump [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23607497 - 09/03/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah that's what I'm thinking.




So there's not point of even having a country or citizenship under your line of reasoning, just one giant free for all. :huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23607502 - 09/03/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, your open borders for everyone doesn't fly with the US population, try again.




He just wants more criminals in the US, it's good for business


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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 1
    #23607504 - 09/03/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Providing an easy path to citizenship isn't the same thing as not having a country or citizenship.


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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
    #23607519 - 09/03/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Providing an easy path to citizenship isn't the same thing as not having a country or citizenship.




Illegally entering the country or overstaying ones visa, and automatically becoming a US citizen makes citizenship completely meaningless. It's a great way to destroy a nation.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 1
    #23607523 - 09/03/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm pretty sure that's not what I was suggesting.

I'm suggesting an easy path to citizenship.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23607528 - 09/03/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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Peteyboy said:
What about the wall would you like to discuss?




How is the US going to force Mexico to pay for it

How much will it cost us to build, maintain, and staff

How much will it stem illegal immigration and smuggling in general

Is it cost efficient




Most Americans don't give a fuck who pays for the wall, Trump said the wall would cost $12 billion, experts are calling for $15 to $25 billion, so be it.

"Is it cost efficient"

How come you never worried about the $130 billion PER YEAR illegals and their children cost US taxpayers?  Deporting illegals and buying a wall is cheap relative to having them live in the US, the wall offers an excellent return on investment.




So you have zero specifics, very honorable of you to take the bullet for Peteyboy


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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 1
    #23607531 - 09/03/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Providing an easy path to citizenship isn't the same thing as not having a country or citizenship.




Illegally entering the country or overstaying ones visa, and automatically becoming a US citizen makes citizenship completely meaningless. It's a great way to destroy a nation.




Or build one, in our nation's case.


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Re: Trump [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23607551 - 09/03/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Providing an easy path to citizenship isn't the same thing as not having a country or citizenship.




Illegally entering the country or overstaying ones visa, and automatically becoming a US citizen makes citizenship completely meaningless. It's a great way to destroy a nation.




Or build one, in our nation's case.




You have a warped view on the history of US immigration. It was never a free for all, you can't change history to suit your political needs in 2016. :shrug:


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23607587 - 09/03/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Project much?

Knock yourself out


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Re: Trump [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23607595 - 09/03/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Project much?

Knock yourself out




Thanks for proving my point.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 1
    #23607638 - 09/03/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:So there's not point of even having a country or citizenship under your line of reasoning, just one giant free for all. :huxleyfacepalm:




Thats like a child throwing a temper tantrum. "I can't have it my way, so fuck your sand castle *kick*!"


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Re: Trump [Re: Crumist]
    #23607663 - 09/03/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:So there's not point of even having a country or citizenship under your line of reasoning, just one giant free for all. :huxleyfacepalm:




Thats like a child throwing a temper tantrum. "I can't have it my way, so fuck your sand castle *kick*!"




Borders and citizenship do define a nation. If you don't have borders you don't have a nation. :shrug:


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