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Re: Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23597858 - 08/31/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No, that's not the situation we have today.




How's credit growth been lately?  How's credit growth into the general economy been lately?  Where are the capital investments taking place in the US economy?


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Re: Trump [Re: fivepointer]
    #23597883 - 08/31/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Orange Drufus thinks Hillary literally poured bleach on her email server.

"“...33,000 emails that she deleted. They’re gone. And not only deleted folks, she bleached. Which somebody said they had never even heard of. In a very expensive fashion, [she] used chemicals so nobody will ever be able to see ‘em. Who does this?”

The program to delete them is named BleachBit.  What a moron.




If you think he literally believes Hillary used bleach, perhaps you're calling the wrong person 'moron'.


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Re: Trump [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23597889 - 08/31/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Trump has been trolling idiots in the media since the beginning. People who take him literally all of the time are actually retarded.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23597931 - 08/31/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
No, that's not the situation we have today.




How's credit growth been lately?  How's credit growth into the general economy been lately?



It's been extremely good.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BUSLOANSNSA


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Re: Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23597975 - 08/31/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
No, that's not the situation we have today.




How's credit growth been lately?  How's credit growth into the general economy been lately?



It's been extremely good.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BUSLOANSNSA




It appears that way, but where has the credit growth been going?  The financial markets (share buybacks, banks buying bonds), that's not a good sign for the general economy.

When US corporations issued massive amounts of the debt the past 7 years, what did they do with it?  Did they make capital investments?  NO. Did they buy back shares of their own company? YES.

How are small business loans doing?  Not so great.

If it wasn't for students borrowing money for college they can never pay back and auto loans, there would be little credit growth in the US economy.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 1
    #23598134 - 08/31/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:South Korea, Venezuela, and Saudi Arabia are not developed economies.

Either way, NIIP doesn't address the key component, DEBT/GDP ratio. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt-to-GDP_ratio

"someone must be the creditor"

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jul/15/us-debt-how-big-who-owns




Your link is entirely irrelevant to the bit in quotation marks.

And S. Korea is far more developed a nation than you will ever be! :grin:

You also moved the goalposts. You asked for a list of creditor nations that were also developed
and I provided the tool to quickly find out for yourself.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23598180 - 08/31/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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If it wasn't for students borrowing money for college they can never pay back and auto loans, there would be little credit growth in the US economy.



The St Louis Fed has graphs for everything.  What kind of credit growth do you believe isn't rising?  It's rising across the board.  We're not in a liquidity trap, as you claimed.


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Re: Trump [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23598209 - 08/31/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Money is debt :smile:



No, money is not debt.  The fractional reserve system allows money to be created as debt, but that money is taken back out of existence when the debt is paid off.




I was being flippant, but I dont think thats entirely true.



You don't think it's true that money is taken out of existence when debt is paid down?  It is absolutely true.

Why Money Disappears When Loans Are Repaid


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Re: Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23598342 - 08/31/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

people aren't putting back what they take; and people can keep paying back all they want, not one person is gonna pay back enough.

because the people who can, are far too greed-ridden. they certainly won't do shit, they won't even try and organize anything that won't give them a substantial pay-off, which is besides the fucking point.


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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23598361 - 08/31/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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people can keep paying back all they want, not one person is gonna pay back enough.



Enough for what???  :confused:


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Re: Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23598381 - 08/31/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
If it wasn't for students borrowing money for college they can never pay back and auto loans, there would be little credit growth in the US economy.



The St Louis Fed has graphs for everything.  What kind of credit growth do you believe isn't rising?  It's rising across the board.  We're not in a liquidity trap, as you claimed.




http://www.wsj.com/articles/big-banks-cut-back-on-small-business-1448586637

Small business loans down significantly in recent years, this is the heart of the economic engine.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3987941-weak-global-credit-growth-keeps-rates-low-risk-assets-risk-period-longer

We are all tied into a global economy and it's not a good story.

http://fortune.com/2016/07/07/bill-gross-low-interest-rates/

"central banks should have realized what is ailing the economy is an overall lack of growth in 'credit' or the expansion of the money supply that comes mostly in the form of increased bank lending. Credit growth which averaged 9% a year since the beginning of this century barely reaches 4% annualized in most quarters now, Gross writes. And why isn't that enough? Well the proof's in the pudding or the annualized GDP numbers both here and abroad."


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Re: Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23598406 - 08/31/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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people can keep paying back all they want, not one person is gonna pay back enough.



Enough for what???  :confused:



to help pay off the debt.


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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23598415 - 08/31/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

WTF are you talking about?  The debt is money America, the nation, owes to bondholders, most of which are American Citizens.

He's talking about people paying back their own loans.


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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23598424 - 08/31/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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people can keep paying back all they want, not one person is gonna pay back enough.



Enough for what???  :confused:



to help pay off the debt.



I think we were talking about the national debt, and the U.S. can collectively pay that down by raising more in taxes than we spend.  I don't think politicians are brave enough to do that, but it can be done.

If you're talking about individual debt, that can be paid off as well.  If some people can't pay down their own debt, then it is written off as a loss and is no longer debt (beware of your credit rating going down though).


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Re: Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23598433 - 08/31/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Last time we raised more in taxes than we spent, the debt still went up.


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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #23598440 - 08/31/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Dat fractaline recursive debt hype is all the rage to worry about these days





Fuck the fuck off little fucking kid don't mess with that bubble





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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
    #23598472 - 08/31/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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WTF are you talking about?  The debt is money America, the nation, owes to bondholders, most of which are American Citizens.

He's talking about people paying back their own loans.



yeah, and? i'm talking debt, in general. no one will pay back their loans, because THEY CAN'T, they won't be able to afford to. is that too complicated for you to understand?
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Last time we raised more in taxes than we spent, the debt still went up.



what a surprise. because it DOESN'T PAY IT OFF.


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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23598475 - 08/31/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You're very confused right now.


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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
    #23598478 - 08/31/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So Trump in Mexico?


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Re: Trump [Re: Patlal]
    #23598482 - 08/31/16 06:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I hope he doesn't drink the water.


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