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Re: Trump [Re: starfire_xes]
    #23594255 - 08/30/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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ok, so the government is run and not owned by corporations, so can ya'll fucking move on now? k thanks.





No, the Government is Run by the government.  The politiicians are controlled by the people.  If the people voted out the politicians who didn't do their bidding, then soon there would be politicians who DID do the people's bidding.

Does your guy take corporate cash?  Write him a letter and tell him you lose his vote.  'United We Stand'  you see, voting blocks are really important.

But I say, you want to really hit the government where it hurts, take away their money so they don't have favors to sell. Giving them more money so they can give it away to corporate buddies is like throwing gasoline on a bonfire.



i don't care how they are being corrupted, i'm not a politician, and nor a journalist or an investigator. i don't know this shit in and out. but i see that they are corrupt. if they take corporate money, then that is corporate influencing government. that's all anyone was ever getting at, here.




Excellent job of missing my point!  If you threw out people who took corporate cash, then corporations wouldn't have the influence would they?  The people would. :smirk:




What you're suggesting is that large swaths of people would actually be able to come together and agree on a single objective. Thats lunacy.


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Re: Trump [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23594259 - 08/30/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

For real though I think we stumbled upon something major that anyone can agree on.


If money and greed is underlying these shady deals and politics. Well then where does this influence originate and who has oversight of it?

Who has authority over the federal reserve?


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?


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Re: Trump [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #23594270 - 08/30/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Excellent job of missing my point!  If you threw out people who took corporate cash, then corporations wouldn't have the influence would they?  The people would. :smirk:



actually, i didn't miss your point. your point was obviously spelled out (vote out the bad guys), and i didn't address it, and why that is, is because you didn't address my point. at all.

own, run, influence, all synonymous with eachother. the semantics argument is bullshit. end of story.


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Re: Trump [Re: Maroon]
    #23594272 - 08/30/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Actually, after listening to 8 years of Obama, I could've sworn it was Bush was the source of all things fucked in the US.


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Re: Trump [Re: Maroon] * 1
    #23594274 - 08/30/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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But for real what holds more leverage than the ability to create money out of thin air, charge interest, 



  Im gunna guess limiting our money supply to the amount of gold we have to back it . That would be way worse .


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Re: Trump [Re: psilynut]
    #23594286 - 08/30/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Lmfaoroflcopter!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh really then please tell me about the long term sustainability of fractional reserve banking and what directions national debts have gone since the bankers have been unleashed and have zero regulators outside of themselves.


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?


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Re: Trump [Re: Maroon] * 1
    #23594335 - 08/30/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Banks aren't regulated ? Really ?
    How about you explain to me the long term sustainability of the the gold standard , and how tying our currency to it wouldn't leave us vulnerable to global gold market manipulation .


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Re: Trump [Re: starfire_xes]
    #23594613 - 08/30/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Actually, after listening to 8 years of Obama, I could've sworn it was Bush was the source of all things fucked in the US.




Bush killed the dinosaurs.


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Re: Trump [Re: Maroon]
    #23594895 - 08/30/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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please tell me about the long term sustainability of fractional reserve banking and what directions national debts have gone since the bankers have been unleashed and have zero regulators outside of themselves.



National debt ONLY goes up when Government spends more than it takes in.  It doesn't matter if there is a Central Bank or not.


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Re: Trump [Re: psilynut]
    #23594931 - 08/30/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Banks aren't regulated ? Really ?
    How about you explain to me the long term sustainability of the the gold standard , and how tying our currency to it wouldn't leave us vulnerable to global gold market manipulation .



Absolutely.  :thumbup:


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Re: Trump [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23595007 - 08/30/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Actually, after listening to 8 years of Obama, I could've sworn it was Bush was the source of all things fucked in the US.




Bush killed the dinosaurs.




You haven no idea how the real world works anymore. Your simplistic ideas about payments and whatnot has evaporated. Things dont work like that anymore.


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Re: Trump [Re: psilynut]
    #23595105 - 08/30/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Banks aren't regulated ? Really ?
    How about you explain to me the long term sustainability of the the gold standard , and how tying our currency to it wouldn't leave us vulnerable to global gold market manipulation .




"Banks aren't regulated?"

Yes and no, this important act was repealed and it creates a lot of risk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Legislation

"how tying our currency to it wouldn't leave us vulnerable to global gold market manipulation"

:lolwut:  Please explain why a gold standard leads to "gold market manipulation"? 

If the price is too low people can buy gold, problem solved.

If we had a gold standard today, we wouldn't have a 1/2 $ trillion trade deficit year after year after year.


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Re: Trump [Re: Maroon]
    #23595111 - 08/30/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Maroon said:Who has authority over the federal reserve?




Are you asking as a hypothetical? This is a simple web search. Any conspiracy theorist worth his salt will be quick to inform you that there isn't really much true oversight though. The Fed is run by a mix of a the public and private sector: a group of POTUS appointees and an motley of the Presidents of the regional Federal Reserve Banks, which are effectively private corporations.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23595441 - 08/30/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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:lolwut:  Please explain why a gold standard leads to "gold market manipulation"? 

If the price is too low people can buy gold, problem solved.

If we had a gold standard today, we wouldn't have a 1/2 $ trillion trade deficit year after year after year.



The problem is exactly the opposite.  What happens if the rich decide to hoard gold, driving the price up?  They get even richer, and hoard even more gold.  And as long as they hoard the gold, they stay rich, because prices won't come down that way.


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Re: Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23595496 - 08/30/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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:lolwut:  Please explain why a gold standard leads to "gold market manipulation"? 

If the price is too low people can buy gold, problem solved.

If we had a gold standard today, we wouldn't have a 1/2 $ trillion trade deficit year after year after year.



The problem is exactly the opposite.  What happens if the rich decide to hoard gold, driving the price up?  They get even richer, and hoard even more gold.  And as long as they hoard the gold, they stay rich, because prices won't come down that way.




Hmm, under a gold standard the price of gold is fixed, what difference does it make if people want to hoard their cash (backed by gold) or invest it?


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23595501 - 08/30/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Doesnt fucking matter. The economy doesnt matter like that. Its backed on the actions of a simple few who are only ever invested in a select few. You guys are fucked no matter who you wanna look at.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 2
    #23595509 - 08/30/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No reputable economist supports a return to the gold standard.


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Re: Trump [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23595515 - 08/30/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Doesnt fucking matter. The economy doesnt matter like that. Its backed on the actions of a simple few who are only ever invested in a select few. You guys are fucked no matter who you wanna look at.




You're fucked as well, why you would think living in Canada would insulate you from economic turmoil is beyond me.


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Re: Trump [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23595521 - 08/30/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Doesnt fucking matter. The economy doesnt matter like that. Its backed on the actions of a simple few who are only ever invested in a select few. You guys are fucked no matter who you wanna look at.



it's a house of cards. those select few will die, and eventually their ascendants can be persuaded to change, in more than a few ways.

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You're fucked as well, why you would think living in Canada would insulate you from economic turmoil is beyond me.



we like to roll with the punches.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23595523 - 08/30/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It doesnt, which is why It should be so apparent that Im involved in your opinions in the first place. We're fucked. No matter how it goes. Thats the way it rolls.


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