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DividedQuantum
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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
#23591949 - 08/29/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Pens are dirt cheap. I'm sure they'll even provide you with one if you ask.
You know that's a disingenuous, smartass answer. The truth is that the only choice we have is a carefully crafted illusion. I'm sure you realize that. If public opinion and policy didn't diverge so significantly, you might have a point. But government is largely not reined in by the populace -- for purely practical reasons.
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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil] 1
#23592348 - 08/30/16 03:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: And from my perspective, we went from corporations "owning" government to them only "running" government, and now it seems we've backpedaled to "influencing" government.
This, my dear friends, is why words matter.
If you want to take an absurd position, expect it to be called out. If hyperbole is fair rhetoric, then certainly challenging that hyperbole as being dishonest is equally fair rhetoric.
You may call it whatever you like "owning" , "running" , or "influencing". Corporations have far more of it then "average America". Far more often then not the incumbent is re-elected.
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DividedQuantum said:
You know that's a disingenuous, smartass answer. The truth is that the only choice we have is a carefully crafted illusion. I'm sure you realize that. If public opinion and policy didn't diverge so significantly, you might have a point. But government is largely not reined in by the populace -- for purely practical reasons.
I don't agree at all. The only office that comes close to what you're talking about is the President, and that's probably the least important elected office when it comes to your daily life.
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There's no pretending about it. Your comment and signature back that up. There are a few others, but too few.
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starfire_xes said: The politicians. So vote those fuckers out. Hold there feet to the fire. If people don't, then its not going to change. If the politicians aren't honest, there is nothing yo can do to punish corporations that is going to change anything.
The corporations take advantage yes. but they are the boogey man for the government. The government points the finger at everyone except themselves.
I say let's make 2016 the "fuck the incumbent" year. Don't give a damn about that bridge your rep brought home or how nice a guy he seems, it is your incumbent that is the sole problem in Washington. Vote that fucker out and run him out on a rail. Vote for the challenger up and down the ticket..
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Voting should be a privilege, not a fucking right, it should be regulated and restricted
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akira_akuma
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hostileuniverse said: Voting should be a privilege, not a fucking right, it should be regulated and restricted
LOL let's revoke your's.
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Yeah let's fix a corrupt system from within!!!
And whilst chasing that tail let's alienate populations and make people divided and fight amongst themselves..
We'll feed them non nutritional food and load them up on sugars, processed foods, caffeine, and alcohol!
Deprive them of natural medicines and connecting to their environment and keep them chasing fake money over unreplensihable resources.
Over incarcerate them and fool the population into limiting their basic liberties and freedoms over manufactured risks and events
Then we can create a monopolized monetary debt system that enslaves all who participate.
Then let's turn something like journalism and investigative journalism into entertainment and replace them with actors.
Wait.....
-------------------- UNDENIABLE PROOF A MODERATOR (Enlil) USES FRAUDULENT POSTS TO SUPOORT HIS OPINIONS. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23596771#23596771 anyone can verify my original post in its unedited format. This proves the length the disinfo whores will go to defend pseudo theories. What quack jobs. Time to get out of moms basement. One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?
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Re: Trump [Re: Maroon]
#23594067 - 08/30/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Other than your first sentence, that's a terrible plan.
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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
#23594140 - 08/30/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well that is exactly what's going on in America. They have since used their influence to make Asian and European countries similar. Just look at the diabetes spread its very telling
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Re: Trump [Re: Maroon]
#23594162 - 08/30/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's barely English, but whatever you're trying to say, your plan sucks.
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Re: Trump [Re: Maroon]
#23594187 - 08/30/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maroon said: Well that is exactly what's going on in America. They have since used their influence to make Asian and European countries similar. Just look at the diabetes spread its very telling
Fixed
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akira_akuma said: ok, so the government is run and not owned by corporations, so can ya'll fucking move on now? k thanks.
No, the Government is Run by the government. The politiicians are controlled by the people. If the people voted out the politicians who didn't do their bidding, then soon there would be politicians who DID do the people's bidding.
Does your guy take corporate cash? Write him a letter and tell him you lose his vote. 'United We Stand' you see, voting blocks are really important.
But I say, you want to really hit the government where it hurts, take away their money so they don't have favors to sell. Giving them more money so they can give it away to corporate buddies is like throwing gasoline on a bonfire.
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What branch of the government oversees the federal reserve then star fire?
Surely this corruption is fed by greed. Greed for what? Money!!
So what branch of govt has oversight or authority of the federal reserve? Surely this would be the item of most leverage if you wanted to control people
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Re: Trump [Re: Maroon]
#23594210 - 08/30/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I give up. Who has oversight?
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Well all this bickering about my side vs your side. We are all on the same side actually (most of us)
But for real what holds more leverage than the ability to create money out of thin air, charge interest, and entrap every player into an unpayable lifetime of debts? Especially greedy ones who value this manufactured stuff over everything else?
Surely if govt is controlling things then what branch has oversight of the federal reserve
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akira_akuma said: ok, so the government is run and not owned by corporations, so can ya'll fucking move on now? k thanks.
No, the Government is Run by the government. The politiicians are controlled by the people. If the people voted out the politicians who didn't do their bidding, then soon there would be politicians who DID do the people's bidding.
Does your guy take corporate cash? Write him a letter and tell him you lose his vote. 'United We Stand' you see, voting blocks are really important.
But I say, you want to really hit the government where it hurts, take away their money so they don't have favors to sell. Giving them more money so they can give it away to corporate buddies is like throwing gasoline on a bonfire.
i don't care how they are being corrupted, i'm not a politician, and nor a journalist or an investigator. i don't know this shit in and out. but i see that they are corrupt. if they take corporate money, then that is corporate influencing government. that's all anyone was ever getting at, here.
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akira_akuma said: ok, so the government is run and not owned by corporations, so can ya'll fucking move on now? k thanks.
No, the Government is Run by the government. The politiicians are controlled by the people. If the people voted out the politicians who didn't do their bidding, then soon there would be politicians who DID do the people's bidding.
Does your guy take corporate cash? Write him a letter and tell him you lose his vote. 'United We Stand' you see, voting blocks are really important.
But I say, you want to really hit the government where it hurts, take away their money so they don't have favors to sell. Giving them more money so they can give it away to corporate buddies is like throwing gasoline on a bonfire.
i don't care how they are being corrupted, i'm not a politician, and nor a journalist or an investigator. i don't know this shit in and out. but i see that they are corrupt. if they take corporate money, then that is corporate influencing government. that's all anyone was ever getting at, here.
Excellent job of missing my point! If you threw out people who took corporate cash, then corporations wouldn't have the influence would they? The people would.
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Does anyone know what branch has oversight and or authority over the federal reserve?
This has the highest amount of leverage and likely the source of these wild disparities
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