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Re: Trump [Re: Crumist] * 1
    #23590840 - 08/29/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't look at me or LDS. Your fight is with Enlil. Or maybe it is with Falcon91Wolvrn03 for the attacks ad hominum.



We're looking at you because you claim you didn't understand the metaphor.  Enlil understood, he just likes yanking people's chains every now and then.

Oh, and by 'yanking people's chains', I don't actually mean he's pulling a literal chain.  It means he likes to harass people, since you might need that explained.


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Re: Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23590982 - 08/29/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My chronology of the current tangent. As long and pointless as the original

Enlil and falcon have disagreement about corporations owning government.
Falcon says Enlil has a semantics fetish
LDS defends sexual attraction to the definition of words
Falcon and Ecstatic attack LDS's defence of logophilia, unrelated to 'run/own' controversy, more related to fence riding in other threads
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The irony is that people are speaking out against LDS and no one is siding with him.  Yet in his own mind he pretends he is the adult in the room.  What has he contributed to this discussion?

Everyone here knows what it means when it is said corporations own the Government (including Enlil).  For LDS, it means they have influence over politicians through campaign contributions.



Thus invoked, I speak up in LDSs defence, semantics are worthwhile
Akira is confused, attacks me on 'run/own' controversy
Falcon seems to have forgotten only Enlil commented on the misuse of 'own' and accuses me of doing so.

And here we are, several degrees separated from the discussion, mostly to call each other names. Congratulations  :drama:


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Re: Trump [Re: Crumist]
    #23591149 - 08/29/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't look at me or LDS. Your fight is with Enlil. Or maybe it is with Falcon91Wolvrn03 for the attacks ad hominum.



i'm not attacking you. how in the fuck are my words above construed as an attack? look...this is a public arena, so.... look, until next time. :kthxbye:


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Re: Trump [Re: Crumist]
    #23591357 - 08/29/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Not a bad summary!  I made just a few minor modifications (highlighted with underlines and strikethroughs):

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Crumist said:
Enlil and falcon have disagreement about corporations owning government.
Falcon says Enlil has a semantics fetish
LDS defends sexual attraction to the definition of words
Falcon and Ecstatic attack LDS's defence of logophilia, because it's obvious what 'owns the Government' means but Falcon provides the following explanation just in case he really didn't get it:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Everyone here knows what it means when it is said corporations own the Government (including Enlil).  For LDS, it means they have influence over politicians through campaign contributions.



Thus invoked, I speak up in LDSs defence, semantics are worthwhile.
Akira is confused, attacks me on once again clarifies the 'run/own' controversy
Falcon seems to have forgotten only Enlil commented on the misuse of 'own' and accuses me of doing so. is surprised you don't get what'owns' means even after having it explained to you TWICE.
And here we are, several degrees separated from the discussion, mostly to call each other names. Congratulations  :drama:




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Re: Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23591384 - 08/29/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

And from my perspective, we went from corporations "owning" government to them only "running" government, and now it seems we've backpedaled to "influencing" government. 

This, my dear friends, is why words matter.

If you want to take an absurd position, expect it to be called out.  If hyperbole is fair rhetoric, then certainly challenging that hyperbole as being dishonest is equally fair rhetoric.


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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
    #23591629 - 08/29/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

it's like a mafia boss "owning" someone else's business. it's not complicated.


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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23591638 - 08/29/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's also not true.


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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
    #23591649 - 08/29/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i don't care for mindgames. you say one thing, someone else says another, what "the problem is" with whatever you people are complaining about. why don't you just come out with it, what's true?


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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23591656 - 08/29/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What's true is that the voters are responsible for this mess, and they'll be responsible for the continued decline.


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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
    #23591676 - 08/29/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

that's fair. but there is certainly misdeeds within the government, and within business practices, in the US, is there not? just for clarification....


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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23591681 - 08/29/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There are misdeeds in all human endeavors.


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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
    #23591692 - 08/29/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Are all voters responsible in your opinion? What about someone who always votes for the eventual loser?

Is the nonvoter absolved of guiltresponsibility?

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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
    #23591697 - 08/29/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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There are misdeeds in all human endeavors.



sure, Yahweh. sure. true.


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Re: Trump [Re: Crumist]
    #23591702 - 08/29/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No guilt.  Just responsibility.


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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
    #23591734 - 08/29/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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And from my perspective, we went from corporations "owning" government to them only "running" government, and now it seems we've backpedaled to "influencing" government. 

This, my dear friends, is why words matter.



Wait a minute, am I truly a "dear friend" of yours?  I'm calling you out on your hyperbole!  :mad:

Of course, I'm just kidding and I knew what you were saying, but if we called you out every time like you and lds do, we'd never have a meaningful discussion.  I'll bet NO ONE here took 'own' literally in the first place, and if anyone did, it was clarified many posts ago.  :shrug:


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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
    #23591764 - 08/29/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thusly edited.


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Re: Trump [Re: Crumist]
    #23591795 - 08/29/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'd have to say all vote-eligible citizens are responsible.


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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
    #23591869 - 08/29/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What if the person you're for isn't on the ballot?


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Re: Trump [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23591897 - 08/29/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Pens are dirt cheap.  I'm sure they'll even provide you with one if you ask.


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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
    #23591911 - 08/29/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What's true is that the voters are responsible for this mess, and they'll be responsible for the continued decline.




Is voting real? Voters? The fucking Easter bunnies are responcible! What the fuck is a vote? Fucking worth less than shit. American politics across the world in my living room, it's a bad television show. Seriously, blame it on God. God is doing it. Voters my arse. One has to seriously deluded to claim that there are options in democracy. I'll never be a lawyer or more than barely functional, but fuck damn so called professionals and experts all ways sound as convincing as Jewhova Witnesses. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? The voters are responcible LOL.


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