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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
#23524475 - 08/09/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Trump is hated by most establishment republicans, he's loved by most hard working Americans, that's not a coincidence
Have you ever seen so many liberals argue how wonderful our trade agreements have turned out for the US middle and lowers classes? Michigan losing almost -50% of their auto jobs is a good thing for workers in that state! 
What's funnier is they loved these ideas when Bernice was spewing them, but when it's Trump doing it, it's just those "evil republicans" the partisanship is almost comical
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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
#23524494 - 08/09/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The loss of those auto jobs rest solely in the hands of the auto giants and the unions.
Pumping out low quality crap at high dollar pricing will make one millions in the short run, and it did.
What the hell happened to american pride in our manufacturing?
Its our fault, lets keep buying cheap shit from walmart and wondering why no american company can compete.
Make a difference and support yourself by supporting the US everyone. Try not to get distracted by a political race in which the outcome doesnt matter. Thr president is no more important than the queen of england. Another insignificant figure head we argue over, all the while forgetting or just not noticing whats going on in the part that ACTUALLY effects us, the congress.
Theyre the ones who can and will take our rights Theyre the ones who can and will take our guns
Why do they make 100+k a year? Do we pay are soldiers that much?
We shud force action that a congressman/congresswoman only be paid what entry level infantry make. Supply them with uniforms, housing, and food. Just like our armed forces. Abolish lobbyists, and elect actual people, not these overprivilaged sycophants
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I'm sure there were some union abuses, but at the end of the day nothing can beat paying someone in Mexico $3 per hour instead of a US worker $18 per hour, it's simple math.
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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
#23524544 - 08/09/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If those american made cars had maintained the quality of standard that they were founded on, and what had made them some of the greatest in the world, they wouldnt have fallen apart.
And 18$ is a low end wage man, think my cousin was making 32 for Chrysler, and he wasnt anyone who mattered.
Ford, chevy, dodge, and chrysler failed due to them pumping out garbage vehicles making sick money in the short run, and the unions seeing that, used their much needed work force to blackmail the industry into paying way too much for a workforce that wasnt worth it by any standard. Just like the cars they sold.
So then what happens? The asian car makers started pumping out vehicles that can make it to 100k miles for a decent price. And everyone wonders why people are buying them, instead of our crap. Man, I dont even want to buy our cars anymore. Still buy jeep, but really, they arent any better than any chevy or dodge.
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American car makers never even tried to compete with Toyota and Honda, And they paid dearly for it. They continued to make subpar cars while paying inflated prices for labor,
The offshoring of American automobile manufacturing was multi faceted, unable to compete with lower wage makers, burdensome regulations, and a 40% tax all contributed in enticing them to offshore auto manufacturing.
Unions played a big part, any company unable to negotiate wages loses power to compete
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twohigh said: If those american made cars had maintained the quality of standard that they were founded on, and what had made them some of the greatest in the world, they wouldnt have fallen apart.
And 18$ is a low end wage man, think my cousin was making 32 for Chrysler, and he wasnt anyone who mattered.
Ford, chevy, dodge, and chrysler failed due to them pumping out garbage vehicles making sick money in the short run, and the unions seeing that, used their much needed work force to blackmail the industry into paying way too much for a workforce that wasnt worth it by any standard. Just like the cars they sold.
So then what happens? The asian car makers started pumping out vehicles that can make it to 100k miles for a decent price. And everyone wonders why people are buying them, instead of our crap. Man, I dont even want to buy our cars anymore. Still buy jeep, but really, they arent any better than any chevy or dodge.
I was using today's wages for the auto workers which are even lower than $18 in many cases, so are American cars still junk or do unskilled Mexican workers now put out high quality? Or maybe the technology has also improved.
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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
#23524866 - 08/09/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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we need to convert from gasoline or fossil fuel engines into other source of energy, so that we are not dependent on other countries' resources. But the politicians only tells the cars companies to make fuel efficient vehicles that still uses fuel. But instead they should be having these cars companies start producing cars that runs off of other types of energy beside fossil fuel. And start training coal miners and other industrial woerkers to be familiar of these equipment so that they will be able to work in these plants, and able to transfer from one type of job into another. But that if the oil companies will allow us to convert over.
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Douglas Howard said: we need to convert from gasoline or fossil fuel engines into other source of energy, so that we are not dependent on other countries' resources. But the politicians only tells the cars companies to make fuel efficient vehicles that still uses fuel. But instead they should be having these cars companies start producing cars that runs off of other types of energy beside fossil fuel. And start training coal miners and other industrial woerkers to be familiar of these equipment so that they will be able to work in these plants, and able to transfer from one type of job into another. But that if the oil companies will allow us to convert over.
while i don't disagree with you about alternative energy sources (non-petrol based/non-renewable), the US is largely dependent on other nations' petrol because US oil companies can export their product for a higher price than domestic market-rates fetch, while importing foreign fuel for significantly lower cost
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Re: Trump [Re: demiu5]
#23524960 - 08/09/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Douglas Howard said: we need to convert from gasoline or fossil fuel engines into other source of energy, so that we are not dependent on other countries' resources. But the politicians only tells the cars companies to make fuel efficient vehicles that still uses fuel. But instead they should be having these cars companies start producing cars that runs off of other types of energy beside fossil fuel. And start training coal miners and other industrial woerkers to be familiar of these equipment so that they will be able to work in these plants, and able to transfer from one type of job into another. But that if the oil companies will allow us to convert over.
while i don't disagree with you about alternative energy sources (non-petrol based/non-renewable), the US is largely dependent on other nations' petrol because US oil companies can export their product for a higher price than domestic market-rates, while importing foreign fuel for significantly lower cost
Just imagine how the job market will grow if they converted over. There is a lot of great inventions out there that needs to be marketed. But the oil companies will not like the new competitors, because they knows that they will lose against them.
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So Great Orange managed to stay contained for one whole speech. Today he is free forming and blundering again. He just can't help himself.
Is his whole "campaign" one giant grift?
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fivepointer said: So Great Orange managed to stay contained for one whole speech. Today he is free forming and blundering again. He just can't help himself.
Is his whole "campaign" one giant grift?
His blunders are no worse than hillary's are, he's not a trained monkey like she is, she has staff and tons of people directing her every move, and she still comes off like a fucking idiot. I'll take Trumps honesty and gaffes anyday over her lying and polished routine
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fivepointer said: So Great Orange managed to stay contained for one whole speech. Today he is free forming and blundering again. He just can't help himself.
Is his whole "campaign" one giant grift?
Hillary has to be medicated everytime she is on stage.
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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
#23525318 - 08/09/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think qman and I are very much aligned on this topic.
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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
#23525350 - 08/09/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was using today's wages for the auto workers which are even lower than $18 in many cases, so are American cars still junk or do unskilled Mexican workers now put out high quality? Or maybe the technology has also improved.
Im not saying theyre better now, I think the companies moved just so they could still afford to put out low quality cars for a high price on the market.
Im sure fundementally we agree on most things, we need a strong movement supporting good quality american products, people need to realize that this "I want my wage to keep being higher" is just leading us to more overflated pricing. I make 45k a year, but my dad was able to afford alot more comparably, on a fraction of what I make now.
We keep having the fact that we are poorer now then we were then thrown in our faces, but people think the fact they make 15$ now instead of 6$ somehow negates the actual truth of it.
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twohigh said: people need to realize that this "I want my wage to keep being higher" is just leading us to more overflated pricing.
Empirical evidence shows that an increase in wages won't lead to an equal increase in prices. If people earn 20% more money, the price of their product wont' go up by 20%, so workers come out ahead.
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twohigh said: I make 45k a year, but my dad was able to afford alot more comparably, on a fraction of what I make now.
We keep having the fact that we are poorer now then we were then thrown in our faces, but people think the fact they make 15$ now instead of 6$ somehow negates the actual truth of it.
I think most of us get inflation. When looking at old numbers, we need to compare REAL incomes and prices rather than incomes and prices which are not adjusted for inflation.
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My experience has shown me most people dont get 20 percent raises, maybe youre in a better line of work than me.
If youre talking about min wage, I support raising it alot, 7 whatever is something I cant fathom living on, and its wrong to me that someone can be paid so marginally.
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I don't have anything against the idea of trade agreements. I do have a problem with the trade agreements that we do have. They have been created in a way to promote globalization, and make American workers compete with cheap foreign labor.
It's nice to see you buddying up with HU qman. You should change 'Liberals' to 'Libtards', while you're at it.
I was just watching Trump giving a speech, announcing that he wants to get rid of the estate tax, and create fewer tax income brackets to 'lower taxes' supposedly on the middle class. If anything we need more income brackets, not fewer, now that we have such and extreme imbalance of wealth.
Trump is shaping up to be yet another 'trickle down' asshole. I'm sure he will welch on his primary promises to build a wall, deport Mexicans, and end disastrous free trade dealings. You just watch, before you know it he will be coming out in support of the TPP. Trump doesn't have a solid stance on anything. He hasn't given deep thought to any political issue. He is just a rambling and ranting old bigot.
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We should definitely raise the minimum to at least 50/hr, then we can all be well off, the economy will boom and everyone will be happy
There, now I'm a brilliant debater like woofie and Fal
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Bigbadwooof said: I was just watching Trump giving a speech, announcing that he wants to get rid of the estate tax, and create fewer tax income brackets to 'lower taxes' supposedly on the middle class. If anything we need more income brackets, not fewer, now that we have such and extreme imbalance of wealth.
Trump is shaping up to be yet another 'trickle down' asshole.
I was almost warming up to Trump until I heard about this. More for the rich! Sorry Trump, the rich aren't the ones that need help.
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Bigbadwooof said: I was just watching Trump giving a speech, announcing that he wants to get rid of the estate tax, and create fewer tax income brackets to 'lower taxes' supposedly on the middle class. If anything we need more income brackets, not fewer, now that we have such and extreme imbalance of wealth.
Trump is shaping up to be yet another 'trickle down' asshole.
I was almost warming up to Trump until I heard about this. More for the rich! Sorry Trump, the rich aren't the ones that need help.
I can't wait until Hillary raises taxes on these two, gonna laugh for days when I read about them bitching about it
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