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qman
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basically, what you're saying is: everything is already working.
HERE WAS MY POINT--here IS WHAT I SAID--it is exactly the opposite of what you think I said.
'And it shows what the real problem with immigration is--the laws currently aren't being enforced.'
you not only ramble on like a schizophrenic on a street corner, practically incomprehensible, you can't read either.
why don't you do everyone a favor and see a doctor? You are an annoyance.
Some people can't see the difference between not enforcing or enforcing existing immigration laws.
Trump promotes the notion of enforcing the current laws on the book, the result- he's called a racist.
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basically, what you're saying is: everything is already working.
HERE WAS MY POINT--here IS WHAT I SAID--it is exactly the opposite of what you think I said.
'And it shows what the real problem with immigration is--the laws currently aren't being enforced.'
you not only ramble on like a schizophrenic on a street corner, practically incomprehensible, you can't read either.
why don't you do everyone a favor and see a doctor? You are an annoyance.
hey fuckhead. you didn't goddamn answer my question. how do you expect to enforce the security IN-COUNTRY by deporting illegals, and how are you gonna find them all?
you old petulant fuck. answer the question or shut up.
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Some people can't see the difference between not enforcing or enforcing existing immigration laws.
Trump promotes the notion of enforcing the current laws on the book, the result- he's called a racist
wow, you still don't even know what you're talking about.
no one is calling Trump racist, not here anyway, not for that. goomba.
no one has explain yet how the laws can be enforced better. explain your damn selves.
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huh...eh, Starfire Dumb guy old guy, how will you round them all up? revoke their VISAs? why? because oldguy dumbguy wants to get rid of all people legally residing in the US because they might be undocumented workers? first off: that's immense, because Americans would most certainly have to get them said job -- so who is really undermining American law but let's just forget about that...how in the fuck are you to find all the undocumented workers? mindreading? does the US have an olddumdguy mindreading program going on?
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starfire_xes said:
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akira_akuma said:
basically, what you're saying is: everything is already working.
HERE WAS MY POINT--here IS WHAT I SAID--it is exactly the opposite of what you think I said.
'And it shows what the real problem with immigration is--the laws currently aren't being enforced.'
you not only ramble on like a schizophrenic on a street corner, practically incomprehensible, you can't read either.
why don't you do everyone a favor and see a doctor? You are an annoyance.
hey fuckhead. you didn't goddamn answer my question. how do you expect to enforce the security IN-COUNTRY by deporting illegals, and how are you gonna find them all?
you old petulant fuck. answer the question or shut up.
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Some people can't see the difference between not enforcing or enforcing existing immigration laws.
Trump promotes the notion of enforcing the current laws on the book, the result- he's called a racist
wow, you still don't even know what you're talking about.
no one is calling Trump racist, not here anyway, not for that. goomba.
no one has explain yet how the laws can be enforced better. explain your damn selves.
That's more like it. now you are speaking in direct, straight to the point English that is easily understood.
You might not find all the illegals, but the ones you find you send them on your way. Want to make it miserable for them to come back? 1st offense of being n the US illegal, they are out, per the current law.
2nd offense, they get a Joe Arrapaio Pink Panties Boot Camp--(Which are constitutional) for a month.
3rd offense, 6 month boot camp. 4th, one year boot camp.
In country security is increased by throwing out all people who have overstayed their visas.
The next step is review LEGAL visa holders. Those on watch lists or with suspected links to terrorists--bye.
The next step is rejecting the visa of ANYONE who is in the US who was not properly vetted by record.
The second part of the post you quoted is Qmans, not mine.
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It's really not that complicated, you enforce border security (build a wall) and then enforce deportation laws.
You deport the illegals in prison and in the criminal justice system, you make it illegal to hire illegal workers, and you take away the freebies from the anchor baby policy (social services).
At that point there's zero incentive to even stay in the US, we also know where most of them live.
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By the way, the laws can be enforced better because the idiot historic first black president issued a presidential order not enforcing immigration laws.m
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you're not gonna round-up illegals using those methods. you won't be able to find them. it's going to be a massively unconstitutional headhunting campaign. those whom are LEGALLY in the US will be given due process (?), but yet they will have not done anything to deserve being put into said process. also: enforce the laws you already have -- well, that's never NOT worked, right? if a person has their VISA, they're legally allowed to be in the US and not allowed, legally, to be treated as if they can just be picked up and hauled off to a boot camp, or deported, because of a filing error or because someone finds some loose link that'd support an unfounded claim to terrorism; after said "support of terrorism" would have to be proven before deportation, but we know that's not going to happen.
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At that point there's zero incentive to even stay in the US, we also know where most of them live.
you're right, which is there's been plenty of people leaving -- and plenty of people not coming back.
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their right is due process. Their privilege is to be here in the first place. See the difference?
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nobody has the right to take someone and put them through the courts when they're innocent and have not been linked to a crime.
i'm sure there is some ambiguous language that isolationists could use to justify sending someone through expensive legal fees and detainment for basically having done nothing wrong but come into the country with isolationists looking to deport you, on principal, because you "might" be an illegal, and then with no proof that you're doing anything illegal, as a visitor to the US, try and get you deported...but that's not in anyone rights. period. otherwise, we could write into law, by missing particular language, that it'd be alright to murder people. point is: just because there is ambiguous wording, wouldn't making stripping people of their actual rights ok. you have a right to due process, even as a visitor, and as a visitor, if you've done nothing illegal, the isolationists can rightfully go eat dog turd.
but isolationists have big mouths and a readily and selectively irrational view of human rights.
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Thats absolutely correct. But we aren't talking about charging anyone criminally are we? We are talking about revoking visas.
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that's not really solving the problem.
like i said...Wall it up. it's still not doing what Trump said he was going to do.
and also, it's still a painfully wishy-washy attempt.
America just needs to go full blown North Korea already.
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akira_akuma said: nobody has the right to take someone and put them through the courts when they're innocent and have not been linked to a crime.
i'm sure there is some ambiguous language that isolationists could use to justify sending someone through expensive legal fees and detainment for basically having done nothing wrong but come into the country with isolationists looking to deport you, on principal, because you "might" be an illegal, and then with no proof that you're doing anything illegal, as a visitor to the US, try and get you deported...but that's not in anyone rights. period. otherwise, we could write into law, by missing particular language, that it'd be alright to murder people. point is: just because there is ambiguous wording, wouldn't making stripping people of their actual rights ok. you have a right to due process, even as a visitor, and as a visitor, if you've done nothing illegal, the isolationists can rightfully go eat dog turd.
but isolationists have big mouths and a readily and selectively irrational view of human rights.
If someone doesn't have legal documentation they're going to have a major problem, things are going to change, again there will be no incentive to stay in the US for illegals.
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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
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round-ups are not constitutional. simple as that. either hypocrisy, or no hypocrisy. that's the decision. pick.
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akira_akuma said: round-ups are not constitutional. simple as that. either hypocrisy, or no hypocrisy. that's the decision. pick.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/stop_and_frisk
Who say's you round them up in one week, it's a long term policy.
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Re: Trump [Re: qman] 1
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well, that's at least some sense. yeah, it wouldn't work any other way.
(i'm surprised GASP discussion on the issue!)
but detaining people, who've got legal documentation, for being an immigrant, is not constitutional.
and also: i find it funny that the people who decry the gubment, saying that they can't do anything right ever, expects the government to do this right. round up people without impinging on their rights...good luck. the precedent will be set.
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akira_akuma said: that's not really solving the problem.
like i said...Wall it up. it's still not doing what Trump said he was going to do.
and also, it's still a painfully wishy-washy attempt.
America just needs to go full blown North Korea already.
There is more than one problem, Which problem are you talking about?
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akira_akuma said: well, that's at least some sense. yeah, it wouldn't work any other way.
(i'm surprised GASP discussion on the issue!)
but detaining people, who've got legal documentation, for being an immigrant, is not constitutional.
and also: i find it funny that the people who decry the gubment, saying that they can't do anything right ever, expects the government to do this right. round up people without impinging on their rights...good luck. the precedent will be set.
I just showed you that detaining people for a very brief period of time isn't unconstitutional. Whether they are legal or illegal has to be determined.
"round up people without impinging on their rights"
Who's rounding up people? Does stop and frisk involve rounding up people? NO.
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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
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Illegals have no constitutional rights,
If Trump forces business to get proof of legality, like Canada does, most would self deport, like they do in Canada
No free healthcare for non citizens, like they do in Canada
You won't need to round these people up, no opportunity, like they do in Canada, and they won't stay
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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil]
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hostileuniverse said: Illegals have no constitutional rights,
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Constitutional rights are for Americans, are they not?
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