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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 1
    #23005119 - 03/14/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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folks protesting against a speaker spreading hate speech and qman thinks the protesters are in the wrong. Sound familiar qman? ben shapiro situation? maybe you should take a deep look into your understanding of free speech and the right to assembly?  (most importantly in how that applies to those you don't agree with)




Is charging a podium to take the mic protesting hate speech?  No, it's a crime, that's why he got arrested.





let's not be foolish and pretend I was speaking to that single incident but more so your overall tone on the scope of the situation.


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Re: Trump [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23005124 - 03/14/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:most liberals are fucking idiots anyway.




:whathesaid:


Yeah, I'm against the patriot act, mostly. NSA spying, mostly. And for the legalization of drugs, that don't mean I advocate turning the country over to a goddamed socialist retard.

I think most people can agree on some issues, it's the big issues that need to be addressed, like tax reform, it's been 30 years since the last major tax reform and since then, 75,000 pages have been added. Even most big government progressives know that's ridiculous


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23005163 - 03/14/16 07:21 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

we really need to avoid idiotically handing any position of authority to Republicans.


























... that's it. we just should be so stupid and idiotic to do something like make a republican anything but a janitor.


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Re: Trump [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23005284 - 03/14/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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Just for you qman, maybe this will help you see the light:

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First thing first, Trump University was never a university. When the “school” was established in 2005, the New York State Education Department warned that it was in violation of state law for operating without a NYSED license. Trump ignored the warnings. (The institution is now called, ahem, “Trump Entrepreneur Initiative.”) Cue lawsuits. Trump University is currently the defendant in three lawsuits — two class-action lawsuits filed in California, and one filed in New York by then-attorney general Eric Schneiderman, who told CNN’s New Day in 2013: “We started looking at Trump University and discovered that it was a classic bait-and-switch scheme. It was a scam, starting with the fact that it was not a university.” Trump U “students” say the same. In his affidavit, Richard Hewson reported that he and his wife “concluded that we had paid over $20,000 for nothing, based on our belief in Donald Trump and the promises made at the [organization’s] free seminar and three-day workshop.” But “the whole thing was a scam.” In fact, $20,000 is only a mid-range loss. The lead plaintiff in one of the California suits, yoga instructor Tarla Makaeff, says she was “scammed” out of $60,000 over the course of her time in Trump U. How could that have happened? The New York suit offers a suggestion:

.... But according to the New York complaint, none of the instructors was “handpicked” by Trump, many of them came from fields having nothing to do with real estate, and Trump “‘never’ reviewed any of Trump University’s curricula or programming materials.” The materials were “in large part developed by a third-party company that creates and develops materials for an array of motivational speakers and seminar and timeshare rental companies.”


The free seminars were the first step in a bait and switch to induce prospective students to enroll in increasingly expensive seminars starting with the three-day $1495 seminar and ultimately one of respondents’ advanced seminars such as the “Gold Elite” program costing $35,000. At the “free” 90-minute introductory seminars to which Trump University advertisements and solicitations invited prospective students, Trump University instructors engaged in a methodical, systematic series of misrepresentations designed to convince students to sign up for the Trump University three-day seminar at a cost of $1495.





You're being conned by the worlds most celebrated conman.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432010/trump-university-scam




You seem to forget that I have repeatedly said I'm a supporter of Trump's two main ideas- 1. immigration. 2. trade agreements.

I'm NOT a supporter of Trump the man, but that doesn't invalidate his two key campaign policies.
Do I wish someone else promoted his ideas without the Trump baggage? YES.

There's some things that Trump has said and done that aren't really defensible, does that make his ideas invalid? No.


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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23005294 - 03/14/16 08:26 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
watch this :lmafo:
i think Webster came out


PS: in case anyone is wondering: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-ghetto_us_56dce712e4b03a405679062b

Bernie said "white people don't know what it's like to live in the US ghettos." -- yes a generalized statement, but when you are asked a DIRECT question about the exact subject of ghettos, then it's kinda hard to not parse the data and see that white people do not exorbitantly reside in US ghettos...it's more black and latino and other minorities, actually (more than whites, more) -- very specific quotes taken and spun and then this guy believes it.


PS: i like how the old guy reacts with violence at the "old" comment,...sorta a visceral reaction, no? sorta like...being called a n*****?




What Bernie said about whites and poverty wasn't defensible, this is what happens during political campaigns.


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Re: Trump [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23005306 - 03/14/16 08:30 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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usually qman is pretty rational, but trump plays on his fear of immigrants pretty well apparently.




I have always advocated for the enforcement of immigration laws, that's not a fear.

I care about the ten's of millions of blacks and Hispanics that don't have any employment because of illegals taking their jobs, why don't you care about America's poor and disadvantaged?


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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 2
    #23005694 - 03/14/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
I'm against the patriot act, mostly. NSA spying, mostly. And for the legalization of drugs, that don't mean I advocate turning the country over to a goddamed socialist retard.



Then Bernie's your man!


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qman said:
What Bernie said about whites and poverty wasn't defensible, this is what happens during political campaigns.



It is when you look at what he said in context.  It was part of a discussion on discrimination, and how whites don't know what it's like to be discriminated against.

No one proves Bernie's point better than you do qman.


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Re: Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23005813 - 03/14/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
I'm against the patriot act, mostly. NSA spying, mostly. And for the legalization of drugs, that don't mean I advocate turning the country over to a goddamed socialist retard.



Then Bernie's your man!


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qman said:
What Bernie said about whites and poverty wasn't defensible, this is what happens during political campaigns.



It is when you look at what he said in context.  It was part of a discussion on discrimination, and how whites don't know what it's like to be discriminated against.

No one proves Bernie's point better than you do qman.




It was insulting to the millions of whites that live in dire poverty.  He said those words for political gain at the expense of poor whites, that's not defensible. :shrug:


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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 2
    #23005823 - 03/14/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said:
usually qman is pretty rational, but trump plays on his fear of immigrants pretty well apparently.




I have always advocated for the enforcement of immigration laws, that's not a fear.

I care about the ten's of millions of blacks and Hispanics that don't have any employment because of illegals taking their jobs, why don't you care about America's poor and disadvantaged?




Terrorism is a real problem, too. That doesn't mean I'm voting for Trump because he says he'll stop it.

Anecdote isn't going to influence my vote, nor is policy plans that seem to be written by a high school student on the bus on his way to class.

Trump has correctly identified two problems. Actually, one isn't even a problem, its a symptom of a problem. But that doesn't mean he has a solution...


Any moron can criticize...


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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 1
    #23005836 - 03/14/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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qman said:
It was insulting to the millions of whites that live in dire poverty.  He said those words for political gain at the expense of poor whites, that's not defensible. :shrug:



No he did not.  He responded as follows:

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What I meant by that is, I think that many white people are not aware of the kinds of pressures and the kind of police oppression that sometimes takes place within the African-American community.

In the African-American communities, you have police officers abusing people, and that is the point that I tried to make.




I believe him based on all his prior speeches.  He misspoke, and admitted it.


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Re: Trump [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23005868 - 03/14/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said:
usually qman is pretty rational, but trump plays on his fear of immigrants pretty well apparently.




I have always advocated for the enforcement of immigration laws, that's not a fear.

I care about the ten's of millions of blacks and Hispanics that don't have any employment because of illegals taking their jobs, why don't you care about America's poor and disadvantaged?




Terrorism is a real problem, too. That doesn't mean I'm voting for Trump because he says he'll stop it.

Anecdote isn't going to influence my vote, nor is policy plans that seem to be written by a high school student on the bus on his way to class.

Trump has correctly identified two problems. Actually, one isn't even a problem, its a symptom of a problem. But that doesn't mean he has a solution...





The fact that he has addressed two key issues that the R's and D's have ignored for decades is very important.

"But that doesn't mean he has a solution"

Maybe it does, the fact that the subject matter if finally being addressed is the most important aspect.  Obama has not only admitted that globalization is a fact of life, he's a supporter of it (TPP).


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Re: Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23005873 - 03/14/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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qman said:
It was insulting to the millions of whites that live in dire poverty.  He said those words for political gain at the expense of poor whites, that's not defensible. :shrug:



No he did not.  He responded as follows:

Quote:

What I meant by that is, I think that many white people are not aware of the kinds of pressures and the kind of police oppression that sometimes takes place within the African-American community.

In the African-American communities, you have police officers abusing people, and that is the point that I tried to make.




I believe him based on all his prior speeches.  He misspoke, and admitted it.




"He misspoke"

I agree, and that's why I said these type of statements often appear during political campaigns.


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23005890 - 03/14/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:most liberals are fucking idiots anyway.




:whathesaid:


Yeah, I'm against the patriot act, mostly. NSA spying, mostly. And for the legalization of drugs, that don't mean I advocate turning the country over to a goddamed socialist retard.

I think most people can agree on some issues, it's the big issues that need to be addressed, like tax reform, it's been 30 years since the last major tax reform and since then, 75,000 pages have been added. Even most big government progressives know that's ridiculous




I would appreciate you keeping the context of my words in place:

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Now, if you look at liberal posters on youtube, you will find plenty of videos about Obama resigning the patriot act, and the liberal outrage, but just like most conservatives, most liberals are fucking idiots anyway.




Conservatives tend to be much more idiotic. Liberals are idiots when they join bandwagons that have no or few legitimate grievances, like the pay gap nonsense, or anti-rape-culture campaigns. When they try to delegitimize everything a white person says with things like 'check your privilege', etc. When they implement 'safe zones' and 'trigger warning' policies on college campuses. When they degrade every argument into 'you're a racist', or 'That's SEXIST!'. Most of these generally only fit a small fraction of liberals, but they do exist, and they are idiots. I might add the refusal to get vaccinated, and the anti-GMO campaigns. Supporting unfettered immigration is probably another one.


Conservatives on the whole get virtually everything wrong, though there are a few issues that I see eye to eye with them on, and some arguments are neither false nor true, just differences of opinion. The things that get wrong are far more dangerous. Things like man made climate change, trickle down, and proclaiming that there is a war on christmas despite the facts. When they try to override the constitution, and implement theocratic authoritarian policies. When they wage wars without cause. Supporting police murdering innocent people (I don't even know where this ardent support for police crimes comes from). The whirlwind of conspiracy theories we've seen in the past decade mostly comes from the right. Attitude towards minorities that are very unproductive in their most benign manifestation, generally damaging to the coherence of society, and sometimes outright dangerous. Saying that blacks are inferior people, and inherently more violent. Their general love of those with money and power, and hate for those without. The defense of indefensible corporate actions. Support for free trade. The generally negative view that conservatives hold toward education, educated people, and the arts.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 4
    #23005895 - 03/14/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said:
usually qman is pretty rational, but trump plays on his fear of immigrants pretty well apparently.




I have always advocated for the enforcement of immigration laws, that's not a fear.

I care about the ten's of millions of blacks and Hispanics that don't have any employment because of illegals taking their jobs, why don't you care about America's poor and disadvantaged?




Terrorism is a real problem, too. That doesn't mean I'm voting for Trump because he says he'll stop it.

Anecdote isn't going to influence my vote, nor is policy plans that seem to be written by a high school student on the bus on his way to class.

Trump has correctly identified two problems. Actually, one isn't even a problem, its a symptom of a problem. But that doesn't mean he has a solution...





The fact that he has addressed two key issues that the R's and D's have ignored for decades is very important.

"But that doesn't mean he has a solution"

Maybe it does, the fact that the subject matter if finally being addressed is the most important aspect.  Obama has not only admitted that globalization is a fact of life, he's a supporter of it (TPP).




But....Bernie has addressed those issues as well, and actually has a plan to solve them. Actually, not maybe.

I get the feeling you're against Bernie because you don't want to bubble in a name with a D next to it.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 2
    #23005899 - 03/14/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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You seem to forget that I have repeatedly said I'm a supporter of Trump's two main ideas- 1. immigration. 2. trade agreements.

I'm NOT a supporter of Trump the man, but that doesn't invalidate his two key campaign policies.
Do I wish someone else promoted his ideas without the Trump baggage? YES.

There's some things that Trump has said and done that aren't really defensible, does that make his ideas invalid? No.




Look, Bernie has the same stance on trade agreements, and is a better human being all around. He has been fighting trade agreements for years, and will stand by his word. Trump has been benefiting from trade agreements for years, and is a proven con-man! Bernie is not pro-unfettered immigration. Is immigration really your top issue?


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Re: Trump [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 4
    #23005917 - 03/14/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Bernie wants a path to citizenship for illegals already here, and comprehensive reform overall. Besides, fixing the trade deals would alleviate some of the immigration problem.


So basically the only thing keeping you from voting for Sanders is amnesty? Is that really a good tradeoff for all of Trump's baggage?

Edit: And like wolf said, Bernie has been consistently fighting poor trade deals for decades, whilst Trump has been profiting off of them. So....


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Re: Trump [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23005921 - 03/14/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
usually qman is pretty rational, but trump plays on his fear of immigrants pretty well apparently.




I have always advocated for the enforcement of immigration laws, that's not a fear.

I care about the ten's of millions of blacks and Hispanics that don't have any employment because of illegals taking their jobs, why don't you care about America's poor and disadvantaged?




Terrorism is a real problem, too. That doesn't mean I'm voting for Trump because he says he'll stop it.

Anecdote isn't going to influence my vote, nor is policy plans that seem to be written by a high school student on the bus on his way to class.

Trump has correctly identified two problems. Actually, one isn't even a problem, its a symptom of a problem. But that doesn't mean he has a solution...





The fact that he has addressed two key issues that the R's and D's have ignored for decades is very important.

"But that doesn't mean he has a solution"

Maybe it does, the fact that the subject matter if finally being addressed is the most important aspect.  Obama has not only admitted that globalization is a fact of life, he's a supporter of it (TPP).




But....Bernie has addressed those issues as well, and actually has a plan to solve them. Actually, not maybe.

I get the feeling you're against Bernie because you don't want to bubble in a name with a D next to it.




I have already said Bernie gets my vote if Trump isn't around.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23005926 - 03/14/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

I appreciate that sentiment, but I'm trying to figure out why it's 1. Trump and 2. Bernie.

Is it solely immigration?


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Re: Trump [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23005932 - 03/14/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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qman said:
You seem to forget that I have repeatedly said I'm a supporter of Trump's two main ideas- 1. immigration. 2. trade agreements.

I'm NOT a supporter of Trump the man, but that doesn't invalidate his two key campaign policies.
Do I wish someone else promoted his ideas without the Trump baggage? YES.

There's some things that Trump has said and done that aren't really defensible, does that make his ideas invalid? No.




Look, Bernie has the same stance on trade agreements, and is a better human being all around. He has been fighting trade agreements for years, and will stand by his word. Trump has been benefiting from trade agreements for years, and is a proven con-man! Bernie is not pro-unfettered immigration. Is immigration really your top issue?




Trade is the key issue, immigration both legal (H1-B H2-B visas) and illegal come in second place. Both are very important to the US labor markets.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23005935 - 03/14/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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I have already said Bernie gets my vote if Trump isn't around.




I'm curious, if Trump shot someone in time square for no good reason, would you be one of those that still supported him?

I think the GOP isn't going to let Trump be the nominee. It's starting to look like they're going to sabotage him somehow.


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