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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23945384 - 12/21/16 08:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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also: ethnic-nationalists are impotent weak posers whom are afraid to be outcompeted by other people whom have different skin color.




Yeah, they're afraid of people who can barely speak proper English, rely of the taxpayer to support their basic needs and cause a massive disproportional amount of crime.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 2
    #23945511 - 12/21/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Weird because I never see them attack whites who fall into those categories.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23945616 - 12/21/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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qman said:
Yeah, they're afraid of people who can barely speak proper English, rely of the taxpayer to support their basic needs and cause a massive disproportional amount of crime.



no, they're afraid of their own weakness.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23945664 - 12/21/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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qman said:
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akira_akuma said:


also: ethnic-nationalists are impotent weak posers whom are afraid to be outcompeted by other people whom have different skin color.




Yeah, they're afraid of people who can barely speak proper English, rely of the taxpayer to support their basic needs and cause a massive disproportional amount of crime.




The same people who bitch about the decline of the middle class are the same people who expect them to compete with dirt cheap labor:facepalm:


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23945738 - 12/21/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

LOL i hope you don't assume i'm middle class. i'm neither middle class, nor ethnic. :shrug:

and i still think Qman is full of shit here. you can't compete with non-english speakers in an english country? can't outcompete those on the dole? can't compete with criminals?

LOL, that's weak, impotent, and pathetic.

total side-issue to whether it's economically sound.


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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23945757 - 12/21/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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akira_akuma said:
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qman said:
Yeah, they're afraid of people who can barely speak proper English, rely of the taxpayer to support their basic needs and cause a massive disproportional amount of crime.



no, they're afraid of their own weakness.



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akira_akuma said:
LOL i hope you don't assume i'm middle class. i'm neither middle class, nor ethnic. :shrug:

and i still think Qman is full of shit here. you can't compete with non-english speakers in an english country? can't outcompete those on the dole? can't compete with criminals?





It has NOTHING to do with out-competing illegals, it's called having the supply/demand equation of the labor in favor of the capitalists, that's not that difficult to understand.

You do realize that having too many low-skilled workers actually creates too many high-skilled workers after a period of time?  Too much labor relative to demand affects EVERYONE, not just low-skilled workers.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 1
    #23945759 - 12/21/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Are you advocating for socialism?


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23945765 - 12/21/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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It has NOTHING to do with out-competing illegals, it's called having the supply/demand equation of the labor in favor of the capitalists, that's not that difficult to understand.

You do realize that having too many low-skilled workers actually creates too many high-skilled workers after a period of time?  Too much labor relative to demand affects EVERYONE, not just low-skilled workers.




your inability to compete is what makes you weak.

but yeah, pretty much understand that not everyone can just "get their own business"- as i've said in this thread many times before.


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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23945775 - 12/21/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Apparently capitalism is great when it comes to everything except labor.

I cant compete with spanish speaking illegal criminals, and thats bullshit.


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Re: Trump [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23945786 - 12/21/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Are you advocating for socialism?




I'm advocating for less workers relative to jobs.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 2
    #23945792 - 12/21/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm advocating for the eradication of scarcity, since we're apparently playing fantasy wish list.


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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #23945796 - 12/21/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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akira_akuma said:
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qman said:
It has NOTHING to do with out-competing illegals, it's called having the supply/demand equation of the labor in favor of the capitalists, that's not that difficult to understand.

You do realize that having too many low-skilled workers actually creates too many high-skilled workers after a period of time?  Too much labor relative to demand affects EVERYONE, not just low-skilled workers.




your inability to compete is what makes you weak.

but yeah, pretty much understand that not everyone can just "get their own business"- as i've said in this thread many times before.




When the US is graduating double the amount of (for example engineering) students that is needed, would you suggest the recent graduates don't have the ability to compete?  No, it would be too many people competing for too few of job openings.


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Re: Trump [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23945799 - 12/21/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Apparently capitalism is great when it comes to everything except labor.

I cant compete with spanish speaking illegal criminals, and thats bullshit.




Nice strawman.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23945812 - 12/21/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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When the US is graduating double the amount of (for example engineering) students that is needed, would you suggest the recent graduates don't have the ability to compete?  No, it would be too many people competing for too few of job openings.



needs more regulation.

:yesnod:


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23945816 - 12/21/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The illegal criminals aren't competing for jobs, unless drug dealing and violent crime count as a career. We need to get rid of them. They are a menace to civilized society no matter what language they speak...just ask the family of Kate Stinele's dad


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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 1
    #23945823 - 12/21/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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When the US is graduating double the amount of (for example engineering) students that is needed, would you suggest the recent graduates don't have the ability to compete?  No, it would be too many people competing for too few of job openings.




Nice point, qman. This really is the current socioeconomic crisis. The way it was dealt with in the past was to require more and more specialty degrees which acted like a reducing valve for the economy -- fewer job applicants keeps things relatively orderly. Now, everyone and his dog has a master's degree, and Ph.D.'s seem to be going for a dime a dozen these days. The system of using graduate degrees to maintain employment sanity is starting to fail. I read a while back that, in terms of academia itself, there are over 80 Ph.D.'s for every 1 teaching position in this country. Just goes to show it doesn't mean as much anymore.

And so we have an even worse crisis on our hands.


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Re: Trump [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #23945827 - 12/21/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Enlil said:
I'm advocating for the eradication of scarcity, since we're apparently playing fantasy wish list.




Thank you.


We cant just eliminate all the people who make problems for one's idealistic society. We have to work within the bounds of reality.


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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23945835 - 12/21/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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qman said:
When the US is graduating double the amount of (for example engineering) students that is needed, would you suggest the recent graduates don't have the ability to compete?  No, it would be too many people competing for too few of job openings.



needs more regulation.

:yesnod:




No you increase the demand for engineers by stimulating industries that require them. F.e. Trump's plan to boost infrastructure...:jah:


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Re: Trump [Re: DividedQuantum] * 2
    #23945839 - 12/21/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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qman said:
When the US is graduating double the amount of (for example engineering) students that is needed, would you suggest the recent graduates don't have the ability to compete?  No, it would be too many people competing for too few of job openings.




Nice point, qman. This really is the current socioeconomic crisis. The way it was dealt with in the past was to require more and more specialty degrees which acted like a reducing valve for the economy -- fewer job applicants keeps things relatively orderly. Now, everyone and his dog has a master's degree, and Ph.D.'s seem to be going for a dime a dozen these days. The system of using graduate degrees to maintain employment sanity is starting to fail. I read a while back that, in terms of academia itself, there are over 80 Ph.D.'s for every 1 teaching position in this country. Just goes to show it doesn't mean as much anymore.

And so we have an even worse crisis on our hands.




Indeed, but, short of mass sterilizations, we arent going to reduce the number of job applicants. Especially considering the jobs themselves are disappearing at an exponential rate.

We have GOT to accept that the jobless economy is coming, and create a system that provides a just society for all of us. Especially in modernized nations like our own.

To me, thats either a huge tax on businesses and the wealthy ro subsidize a UBI, or simply outright socialism.


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Re: Trump [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23945844 - 12/21/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
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qman said:
When the US is graduating double the amount of (for example engineering) students that is needed, would you suggest the recent graduates don't have the ability to compete?  No, it would be too many people competing for too few of job openings.




Nice point, qman. This really is the current socioeconomic crisis. The way it was dealt with in the past was to require more and more specialty degrees which acted like a reducing valve for the economy -- fewer job applicants keeps things relatively orderly. Now, everyone and his dog has a master's degree, and Ph.D.'s seem to be going for a dime a dozen these days. The system of using graduate degrees to maintain employment sanity is starting to fail. I read a while back that, in terms of academia itself, there are over 80 Ph.D.'s for every 1 teaching position in this country. Just goes to show it doesn't mean as much anymore.

And so we have an even worse crisis on our hands.




Indeed, but, short of mass sterilizations, we arent going to reduce the number of job applicants. Especially considering the jobs themselves are disappearing at an exponential rate.

We have GOT to accept that the jobless economy is coming, and create a system that provides a just society for all of us. Especially in modernized nations like our own.

To me, thats either a huge tax on businesses and the wealthy ro subsidize a UBI, or simply outright socialism.





I absolutely agree. That is an even more salient point.


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