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hostileuniverse
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PeyoteZen said: Bernie's policies were based almost entirely on taxing people to 'fix problems'. Trump's policies are based on fixing the economy so we won't have to keep taxing people to 'fix problems'.
So Trump can fix our infrastructure without taxing people? He can improve veteran care without taxing people? He can reduce college tuition without taxing people? Etc...
And you're the one who's accusing liberals of believing in unicorns? 
*so we won't have to keep increasing taxes on people to 'fix problems'
Happy now? Sorry if my syntax made it sound like Trump plans to abolish all taxes and spend invisible money... though you should be smart enough to know that's obviously not what I meant.
I've learned you cannot assume anything with these people, they can't follow a convo, or pretend to not be able to, and will look for any inconsistency to make fun of or nitpick, it's ridiculous
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Falcon91Wolvrn03
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PeyoteZen said: *so we won't have to keep increasing taxes on people to 'fix problems'
Happy now?
No, because even now we don't have enough money to pay for things. There's been a massive revenue shortage ever since Reagan cut taxes on the rich:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Here's what I see as the biggest difference between the two candidates in this regard. Hillary has taken a clear position on things. Whether or not she follows through on these, no one knows, but at least the public can hold her accountable if she doesn't.
She won't follow through. We already know this because of her track record, who she's in bed with (on paper), and the fact that she has a long history of being a habitual liar bordering on psychopathy.
Telling the same lie over and over again to make it appear true is an old tactic. Telling 100% lies have more the appearance of truth than telling 90% lies. This unwavering consistency creates an illusion of truth. She is able to pull it off because she is a psychopath. She has no conscience, therefore she is unflinching in her dishonesty and is able to never break character. She is so deep into the lie, I doubt she will even come clean on her death bed. She's totally gone. No soul, only demonic possession left at this point.
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The Ecstatic
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PeyoteZen said: Bernie's policies were based almost entirely on taxing people to 'fix problems'. Trump's policies are based on fixing the economy so we won't have to keep taxing people to 'fix problems'.
That's the key difference. There's a wide ideological gap separating the two. If you want specifics, Trump's site explains it in concise language, all you have to do is commit some of your time towards actually reading it. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/economy/ https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/regulations/ https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/tax-plan/ https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/trade/
But of course, these policy proposals are seldom sufficient for someone with an ideological handicap that prevents them from grasping the fundamentals of his economic vision, let alone the specific details provided to explain how it will be executed.
Are you kidding me?
There is absolutely nothing specific about his proposals.
"We're gonna create jobs!"
Yeah? How?
Honestly, what about this is specific:
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[Create a dynamic booming economy that will create 25 million new jobs over the next decade. For each 1 percent in added GDP growth, the economy adds 1.2 million jobs. Increasing growth by 1.5 percent would result in 18 million jobs (1.5 million times 1.2 million, multiplied by 10 years) above the projected current law job figures of 7 million, producing a total of 25 million new jobs for the American economy. Reform policies with a pro-growth tax plan, a new modern regulatory framework, an America-First trade policy, an unleashed American energy plan, and the “penny plan.” Boost growth to 3.5 percent per year on average, with the potential to reach a 4 percent growth rate.
Do you people really buy this horseshit? He parrots the same trickle down bullshit that every Republican has since the 70s.
"We're gonna cut taxes and regulations and the jobs WILL roll in. Trust me!'
Yeah fucking right.
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PeyoteZen said: Bernie's policies were based almost entirely on taxing people to 'fix problems'. Trump's policies are based on fixing the economy so we won't have to keep taxing people to 'fix problems'.
So Trump can fix our infrastructure without taxing people? He can improve veteran care without taxing people? He can reduce college tuition without taxing people? Etc...
And you're the one who's accusing liberals of believing in unicorns? 
*so we won't have to keep increasing taxes on people to 'fix problems'
Happy now? Sorry if my syntax made it sound like Trump plans to abolish all taxes and spend invisible money... though you should be smart enough to know that's obviously not what I meant.
I've learned you cannot assume anything with these people, they can't follow a convo, or pretend to not be able to, and will look for any inconsistency to make fun of or nitpick, it's ridiculous
Because your arguments suck and never make any sense.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Here's what I see as the biggest difference between the two candidates in this regard. Hillary has taken a clear position on things. Whether or not she follows through on these, no one knows, but at least the public can hold her accountable if she doesn't.
She won't follow through. We already know this because of her track record, who she's in bed with (on paper), and the fact that she has a long history of being a habitual liar bordering on psychopathy.
Telling the same lie over and over again to make it appear true is an old tactic. Telling 100% lies have more the appearance of truth than telling 90% lies. This unwavering consistency creates an illusion of truth. She is able to pull it off because she is a psychopath. She has no conscience, therefore she is unflinching in her dishonesty and is able to never break character. She is so deep into the lie, I doubt she will even come clean on her death bed. She's totally gone. No soul, only demonic possession left at this point.
And yet again you ignore the point about Trump:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Trump, on the other hand, has never taken a clear position on anything (except tax cuts for the rich). He's taken both sides of every position. So when the public tries to hold him accountable, he can prove he's said the opposite and that his supporters need to shut up.
Now it's clear why wooof has such a negative opinion of Trump supporters.
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Wait for the denial...wait for it.
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Even if Trump did want to implement the agenda he claims, its a proven failure.
Wheres the evidence that cutting taxes helps the economy? Or the deficit? Or jobs?
Wheres the evidence that deregulation does that?
How is Trump going to negate globalism?
Is he just gonna chastise the world into reverting to its 1950's form? WAKE UP.
The rich already dont pay enough. Corporations already arent regulated enough. Climate change is real. Manufacturing jobs arent coming back. Trickle down economics DOESNT WORK.
IT DOESNT FUCKING WORK.
And you people have the gall to label Bernie supportera gullible because theyre making a pragmatic decision not based on fear or anger or spite.
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Yup - if we were dumb enough to believe in trickle down in the 1980s ("give more to the rich and EVERYONE will be better off"), we now have empirical evidence to prove it was (and still is) a disaster for everyone except the rich.
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"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarassed millionaires."
- Steinbeck
Thats what qman, peyote, starfire, and HU are: temporarily embarassed millionaires. They know the system is rigged for the rich, but they dont want to change it because they themselves will be rich soon.
Based on the arguments I've seen (including that one), I wouldnt count on it. I mean, shit, Peyote even admitted he'd rather live in the poor house than entertain socioeconomic arguments with even a hint of communism.
Its like some lethal disorder, half Dunning-Kruger Effect, half Stockholm Syndrome.
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They have a stranglehold on the perception of alternatives in the states. Socialisms the big bad wolf thats gonna take all the money they already dont have and deny them the future that died 30 years ago. Trumps gonna build a wall and money will materialize out of thin air.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Socialisms the big bad wolf thats gonna take all the money they already dont have and deny them the future that died 30 years ago.
Aint that the truth
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PeyoteZen said: Hillary is not planning to do a goddamned thing in that regard. Those are empty platitudes engineered to garner the sucker vote from the Bernie camp. And unfortunately, it's working. Though I'd be a liar if I said that Trump wasn't dumbing down his campaign a notch in order to garner votes from masses of dumb Republican voters who are likewise politically retarded, just in a different way than the Democrat-leaning libtards.
How is it that you know what Hillary and Trump "actually"intend to do despite how their words, histories, and my common sense indicate otherwise?
And you can blame the dumbed down rhetoric squarely on Trump. In previous elections we had white papers with sources and such. Trump's fervent anti intellectualism has denied the American people a lot of transparency.
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Donald Trump just gave Hillary a huge campaign gift .
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html?client=safari
I think this may really fuck trump over at least with women anyway . He actually said he could just go around grabbing women by their pussies because he's famous .
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PeyoteZen said: Your entire reasoning behind supporting Hillary is because "NOT TRUMP "
Well, that and you actually believe Bernie somehow wormed his "vision" into her policy plans. 
What's your reason for supporting Trump?
To elect representation that actually represents our interests for once. Duh.
Go on. I think the 'duh' speaks volumes more than the full sentences you write.
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PeyoteZen said: Though I'd be a liar if I said that Trump wasn't dumbing down his campaign a notch in order to garner votes from masses of dumb Republican voters who are likewise politically retarded, just in a different way than the Democrat-leaning libtards.
The emboldened portion is particularly rich. Is that what you think is happening?
As I said, guano composite.
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The Ecstatic said: "Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarassed millionaires."
- Steinbeck
Thats what qman, peyote, starfire, and HU are: temporarily embarassed millionaires. They know the system is rigged for the rich, but they dont want to change it because they themselves will be rich soon.
Based on the arguments I've seen (including that one), I wouldnt count on it. I mean, shit, Peyote even admitted he'd rather live in the poor house than entertain socioeconomic arguments with even a hint of communism.
Its like some lethal disorder, half Dunning-Kruger Effect, half Stockholm Syndrome.
This is true. Though our generation is going to blindside these foolish children. The disenfranchised millennials will not permit Reaganomics to destroy the futures of their children, as these mental midgets have done to us.
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psilynut said: Donald Trump just gave Hillary a huge campaign gift .
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html?client=safari
I think this may really fuck trump over at least with women anyway . He actually said he could just go around grabbing women by their pussies because he's famous .
Donald Trump IS Hillary's huge campaign gift. Do you consider this clown to be a viable opponent? As balls has demonstrated, Clinton will be defying many historical markers of impending failure this election, because her opponent is so incredibly inept.
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psilynut said: Donald Trump just gave Hillary a huge campaign gift .
Trump recorded having extremely lewd conversation about women
He actually said he could just go around grabbing women by their pussies because he's famous .
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I honestly cant even keep up. I just realized this is a new video, seems like he makes gaffes like that on a rolling 72 hour basis.
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