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Re: Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23714869 - 10/07/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

One of the first things I'd like to see from President Trump are new office appointments, along with a long list of firings and prosecutions. Unclog the Justice Department, for one, and see to it that blind justice may once again proceed as was intended before our Federal Government became so hopelessly corrupted.

Hillary for Prison.


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Re: Trump [Re: Great Scott] * 1
    #23714877 - 10/07/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Has Trump said he's planning on firings and prosecutions?


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Re: Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23714882 - 10/07/16 12:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

He said he might jail Hillary, well it was more of a "we might look into it" statement. So thats close. Hes belligerent enough to do it too.


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Re: Trump [Re: Great Scott]
    #23715318 - 10/07/16 06:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Unlike you, I'm voting for my preferred candidate based on what my preferred candidate vows to do as President




Same here, no matter how many times you claim differently :shrug:


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Re: Trump [Re: Great Scott] * 2
    #23715331 - 10/07/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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One of the first things I'd like to see from President Trump are new office appointments, along with a long list of firings and prosecutions. Unclog the Justice Department, for one, and see to it that blind justice may once again proceed as was intended before our Federal Government became so hopelessly corrupted.

Hillary for Prison.




Trump hasnt given any indication that his appointments would bring any change.

He's got your run of the mill pro-Iraq war neocons on his military advisory panel, hes got Goldman Sachs cronies for finance policy.

Again. You expect the man who made himself a fortune from exploiting the system, to change it.


And as Fal said, for every claim Trump makes, he makes an opposing claim a few days or weeks later.


But nah, the guy who wants to expand stop and frisk nationwide and commit overt war crimes abroad is just what we need to reform Justice. :facepalm:


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Re: Trump [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23715872 - 10/07/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Not even remotely close.


Here it is again:

I'm voting Hillary because:

1.) A "liberal" SCOTUS is better than a GOP one

And

2.) Bernie has forced an actually liberal agenda onto the DNC ticket. So there's a chance (emphasis: CHANCE) to keep her to her word.





"Bernie has forced an actually liberal agenda onto the DNC ticket"

You keep suggesting this notion, but I don't see it. Please provide specific examples.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23715912 - 10/07/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

How dare you challenge the unicorn logic!


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Re: Trump [Re: Great Scott]
    #23715946 - 10/07/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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How dare you challenge the unicorn logic!




I know, I've been called a pile of dog shit, an idiot and a filthy racist, but I thought I would still try to challenge the intellectual geniuses of this forum, it's crazy but it's worth a try.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 3
    #23715979 - 10/07/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Examples of bernies influence on Hillary include debt free college, tpp opposition,
criminal justice reform, and deficit spending on infrastructure. If only Sanders had had
stronger foreign policy and privacy stances :sad:

There is some truth to focusing attention at home, absolutely


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Re: Trump [Re: Crumist]
    #23715997 - 10/07/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Examples of bernies influence on Hillary include debt free college, tpp opposition,
criminal justice reform, and deficit spending on infrastructure. If only Sanders had had
stronger foreign policy and privacy stances :sad:

There is some truth to focusing attention at home, absolutely




And her specific proposals to those issues are????  Empty Obama rhetoric!!!


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Re: Trump [Re: Crumist]
    #23716063 - 10/07/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hillary is not planning to do a goddamned thing in that regard. Those are empty platitudes engineered to garner the sucker vote from the Bernie camp. And unfortunately, it's working.

Though I'd be a liar if I said that Trump wasn't dumbing down his campaign a notch in order to garner votes from masses of dumb Republican voters who are likewise politically retarded, just in a different way than the Democrat-leaning libtards.

We would obviously have far more sophisticated campaign rhetoric from both parties if not for the fact that most Americans are so dumbed down after decades of decadence and social engineering. Too stupid and/or too busy to pay attention to the complexities of governance and the importance of electing proper representation, based on real shit, not just emotional triggers or whatever else. :shrug:


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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 1
    #23716110 - 10/07/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Not even remotely close.


Here it is again:

I'm voting Hillary because:

1.) A "liberal" SCOTUS is better than a GOP one

And

2.) Bernie has forced an actually liberal agenda onto the DNC ticket. So there's a chance (emphasis: CHANCE) to keep her to her word.





"Bernie has forced an actually liberal agenda onto the DNC ticket"

You keep suggesting this notion, but I don't see it. Please provide specific examples.




Here's a good article from The Nation:


https://www.thenation.com/article/how-bernie-sanders-delivered-the-most-progressive-platform-in-democratic-party-history/


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Re: Trump [Re: Great Scott] * 2
    #23716147 - 10/07/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Though I'd be a liar if I said that Trump wasn't dumbing down his campaign a notch




Thats mighty generous of you.

Tens of thousands of young people showed up to watch Bernie rattle off economic statistics. He ran, by far, the most intelligent and populist campaign.

You all can keep on pretending like Bernie supporters are being suckered by Hillary (ignoring the fact that Bernie's rise came explicitly from a distrust in Hillary) but that isnt the case.

The simple fact is Hillary gives Bernie supporters a better chance of accomplishing his agenda than Trump does. Period. Done.


I still have yet to see any specifics about Trump.

- what are his specific policy proposals?
- what agenda items have the RNC adopted that youre excited about?
- what conservative majority supreme court rulings are you in favor of? And want to build on?


Have some god damn introspection, Trumpettes. You lecture people on here about Hillary who don't even like Hillary but can never seem to talk about your own candidate. Even in an 107 page thread that bears his name.

So lets hear it. What problem is Trump going to unilaterally solve? And if not unilateral, what problems will he convince Congress and the Senate (probably blue) to solve?

How? Why?


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Re: Trump [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23716169 - 10/07/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Nobody is doubting that left-leaning media outlets publish articles that espouse this notion. We are just doubting the intelligence of people who actually believe the notions espoused in these articles.

When Hillary limps out onto the stage and proclaims in her shrilly-ass voice "WE'RE GOING TO TAKE DOWN THE BIG BANKS, MAIN STREET, NOT WALL STREET" etc. etc... doesn't that make you cringe? What universe do you live in where Hillary is going to actually do any of this shit or behave as a surrogate for Bernie's platform in any way whatsoever?


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Re: Trump [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #23716180 - 10/07/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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You all can keep on pretending like Bernie supporters are being suckered by Hillary (ignoring the fact that Bernie's rise came explicitly from a distrust in Hillary) but that isnt the case.

The simple fact is Hillary gives Bernie supporters a better chance of accomplishing his agenda than Trump does. Period. Done.


I still have yet to see any specifics about Trump.

- what are his specific policy proposals?
- what agenda items have the RNC adopted that youre excited about?
- what conservative majority supreme court rulings are you in favor of? And want to build on?


Have some god damn introspection, Trumpettes. You lecture people on here about Hillary who don't even like Hillary but can never seem to talk about your own candidate. Even in an 107 page thread that bears his name.

So lets hear it. What problem is Trump going to unilaterally solve? And if not unilateral, what problems will he convince Congress and the Senate (probably blue) to solve?

How? Why?




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Re: Trump [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23716197 - 10/07/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Bernie's policies were based almost entirely on taxing people to 'fix problems'. Trump's policies are based on fixing the economy so we won't have to keep taxing people to 'fix problems'.

That's the key difference. There's a wide ideological gap separating the two.
If you want specifics, Trump's site explains it in concise language, all you have to do is commit some of your time towards actually reading it.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/economy/
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/regulations/
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/tax-plan/
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/trade/

But of course, these policy proposals are seldom sufficient for someone with an ideological handicap that prevents them from grasping the fundamentals of his economic vision, let alone the specific details provided to explain how it will be executed.


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Re: Trump [Re: Great Scott] * 1
    #23716228 - 10/07/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Hillary is not planning to do a goddamned thing in that regard. Those are empty platitudes engineered to garner the sucker vote from the Bernie camp. And unfortunately, it's working.



Here's what I see as the biggest difference between the two candidates in this regard.  Hillary has taken a clear position on things.  Whether or not she follows through on these, no one knows, but at least the public can hold her accountable if she doesn't.

Trump, on the other hand, has never taken a clear position on anything (except tax cuts for the rich).  He's taken both sides of every position.  So when the public tries to hold him accountable, he can prove he's said the opposite and that his supporters need to shut up.


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Re: Trump [Re: Great Scott] * 3
    #23716242 - 10/07/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Bernie's policies were based almost entirely on taxing people to 'fix problems'. Trump's policies are based on fixing the economy so we won't have to keep taxing people to 'fix problems'.



So Trump can fix our infrastructure without taxing people?  He can improve veteran care without taxing people?  He can reduce college tuition without taxing people?  Etc...

And you're the one who's accusing liberals of believing in unicorns?  :picard:


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Re: Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23716257 - 10/07/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

PeyoteZen said:
Bernie's policies were based almost entirely on taxing people to 'fix problems'. Trump's policies are based on fixing the economy so we won't have to keep taxing people to 'fix problems'.



So Trump can fix our infrastructure without taxing people?  He can improve veteran care without taxing people?  He can reduce college tuition without taxing people?  Etc...

And you're the one who's accusing liberals of believing in unicorns?  :picard:





Trump won't sell secrets to our enemies or use unsecure servers, so there's that


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Re: Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23716274 - 10/07/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

PeyoteZen said:
Bernie's policies were based almost entirely on taxing people to 'fix problems'. Trump's policies are based on fixing the economy so we won't have to keep taxing people to 'fix problems'.



So Trump can fix our infrastructure without taxing people?  He can improve veteran care without taxing people?  He can reduce college tuition without taxing people?  Etc...

And you're the one who's accusing liberals of believing in unicorns?  :picard:




*so we won't have to keep increasing taxes on people to 'fix problems'

Happy now? Sorry if my syntax made it sound like Trump plans to abolish all taxes and spend invisible money... though you should be smart enough to know that's obviously not what I meant.


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