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Illegal aliens can't get a SS number. They must get a ITIN number by filling out a W-7. They can't claim the EITC or Social Security with a ITIN, but they must pay the taxes. They probably pay more than Trump does.
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qman
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hostileuniverse said: Lol, yeah I'm sure trump is shaking in his shoes at the thought of a "Bernie bro" coming to get him 
Maybe Trump is shaking in his shoes because even he isn't even stupid enough to think he has any chance of winning. Actually he is too egotistical to face reality.
One piece of reality is that many, but not all, illegals are paying major federal and state income tax, and social security that they know they can't even try to collect on. Everybody pays sales tax. I'm positive that there are many illegals that are bigger social contributors than some of the perpetual whiners on this website.
So they commit ID fraud to work illegally in the US, that's just great when there's tens of millions of unemployed US citizens.
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They pay what is legally defined for them to pay, as does Trump, Hillary, and the New York Times...
I love how people are making a big deal about the taxes, when every single one of them knows that they themselves would NEVER pay more taxes then legally required...you'd be a fool to just give away money
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qman
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fivepointer said: Illegal aliens can't get a SS number. They must get a ITIN number by filling out a W-7. They can't claim the EITC or Social Security with a ITIN, but they must pay the taxes. They probably pay more than Trump does.
Illegals use 8 TIMES more in tax revenue than they contribute, that's called being a social leech on the US taxpayer.
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Lolz... So much guano.
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Falcon and the ecstatic are the only intelligent people on this thread, once again.
Why do you guys still bother? There's a reason we don't teach quantum physics to preschool children, you know.
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fivepointer said: Illegal aliens can't get a SS number. They must get a ITIN number by filling out a W-7. They can't claim the EITC or Social Security with a ITIN, but they must pay the taxes. They probably pay more than Trump does.
Illegals use 8 TIMES more in tax revenue than they contribute, that's called being a social leech on the US taxpayer.
I would like to see your source for this "fact".
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Bigbadwooof said: Falcon and the ecstatic are the only intelligent people on this thread, once again.
Why do you guys still bother? There's a reason we don't teach quantum physics to preschool children, you know.
Here educate yourself.
http://www.fairus.org/news/illegal-immigration-costs-california-taxpayers-more-than-25-billion-a-year-finds-fair
"illegal aliens and their dependents cost Californians $25.3 billion per year...taxes collected from illegal aliens amount to about $3.5 billion annually"
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So why does the State of California provide education to illegal aliens? Why provide other benefits as well? Shouldn't that be a question asked to the State of California? If California has decided to make these payments why blame those who collect them? Shouldn't you blame California?
Personally I think illegals need to be deported, and the laws already are on the books to do this. However that doesn't mean I support a proto-facist like Trump.
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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
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Many illegals are rapists according to our countries standards seeing as the age of consent in Mexico is 12. I'm going to take what Trump says at face value and believe he's more militant then Clinton. Not getting my vote.
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fivepointer said: So why does the State of California provide education to illegal aliens? Why provide other benefits as well? Shouldn't that be a question asked to the State of California? If California has decided to make these payments why blame those who collect them? Shouldn't you blame California?
Personally I think illegals need to be deported, and the laws already are on the books to do this. However that doesn't mean I support a proto-facist like Trump.
I absolutely blame our policymakers, illegals are just doing what any rational human would do, get a higher standard of living for FREE!!!
I don't think asking for the enforcement of the current immigration laws makes one a fascist.
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The only way Hillary wins this election is if it's rigged and stolen. And it very well may end up going down like this. That's the crude reality we face.
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qman said: I don't think asking for the enforcement of the current immigration laws makes one a fascist.
Deporting 16 million people will require a fascist like deportation force to go house to house. You can't see the danger of such a force when it comes to our privacy and liberty?
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PeyoteZen said: The only way Hillary wins this election is if it's rigged and stolen. And it very well may end up going down like this. That's the crude reality we face.
Spoken like a true guano composite.
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hostileuniverse said: Lol, yeah I'm sure trump is shaking in his shoes at the thought of a "Bernie bro" coming to get him 
Maybe Trump is shaking in his shoes because even he isn't even stupid enough to think he has any chance of winning. Actually he is too egotistical to face reality.
One piece of reality is that many, but not all, illegals are paying major federal and state income tax, and social security that they know they can't even try to collect on. Everybody pays sales tax. I'm positive that there are many illegals that are bigger social contributors than some of the perpetual whiners on this website.
Wrong, a lot of illegals work under the table, tax free,
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Bigbadwooof said: Falcon and the ecstatic are the only intelligent people on this thread, once again.
Why do you guys still bother? There's a reason we don't teach quantum physics to preschool children, you know.
He's so smart, he knows responding is a waste of time
***as he incessantly responds
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Wrong, a lot of illegals work under the table, tax free,
1. The vast majority of those people make so little that they wouldn't owe any income tax anyway. 2. They all pay taxes, just not income tax.
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Wrong, a lot of illegals work under the table, tax free,
1. The vast majority of those people make so little that they wouldn't owe any income tax anyway. 2. They all pay taxes, just not income tax.
His assertion included "major" federal and state income tax, I never disputed the piddly sales tax they pay
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qman said: I don't think asking for the enforcement of the current immigration laws makes one a fascist.
Deporting 16 million people will require a fascist like deportation force to go house to house. You can't see the danger of such a force when it comes to our privacy and liberty?
"will require a fascist like deportation"
That's a pretty huge baseless assumption on your part, you do understand that Obama has deported thousands of illegals?
Why can't we deport illegals in our prisons? What about illegals that get arrested? What about illegal workers, we know where they work?
Also, who says it has to happen overnight? It could be a decades long process. Guess what? Take away the employment and the freebies, and most will leave on their own.
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