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Offlinehostileuniverse
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Re: Trump [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23703368 - 10/03/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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*claims $916,000,000 losses on taxes*




You're beloved democrats wrote most of these twisted tax laws that allowed him to do this, just another example of idiotic example of the sheep hearing "we are gonna raise taxes on the rich" and being so clueless about what they are actually doing

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most wealthy business men are also stupid




Did you mean only the poor ones are smart?  keep talking in circles smart guy


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23703401 - 10/03/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Why didn't Obama make proposals to change the tax code?  Oh, let me guess, his sponsors love the current tax code.  :rofl2:

Has Hillary made any proposals to change the tax code?  No, her sponsors wouldn't approve of that type of rhetoric.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23703424 - 10/03/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Democrats bitch that people don't pay enough in taxes, and then run to every tax write off, shelter, and tax haven available

They are the epitome of hipocritical liars


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23703452 - 10/03/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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so then explain to me again why the people who gain the most benefit from living in america shouldn't pay taxes in proportion to the benefit enjoyed




The most benefit? Please explain to me how a single male home owner gets more benefit from living in America than a married homeowner who send his 6 kids to public education

And yes, the single guy pays a higher tax rate,




hmmmmm...It seems that you think i am defending the current tax code.
you realize that i was discussing differences in wealth, not differences in marital status, right?  Getting a tax break for being married has literally nothing to do with the topic at hand. your post is a non sequitur (in the literary sense).
That being said, i suppose i'll bite.

A married homeowner with 6 kids has many more responsibilities beyond himself than a single male homeowner in the same financial position. In addition, the single male homeowner (all other things being equal) will almost certainly have a greater supply of disposable income with which to aquire property, travel and enjoy the beautiful country, start a business in our robust consumer market, etc.


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Re: Trump [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23703466 - 10/03/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
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hostileuniverse said:
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ballsalsa said:
so then explain to me again why the people who gain the most benefit from living in america shouldn't pay taxes in proportion to the benefit enjoyed




The most benefit? Please explain to me how a single male home owner gets more benefit from living in America than a married homeowner who send his 6 kids to public education

And yes, the single guy pays a higher tax rate,




hmmmmm...It seems that you think i am defending the current tax code.
you realize that i was discussing differences in wealth, not differences in marital status, right?  Getting a tax break for being married has literally nothing to do with the topic at hand. your post is a non sequitur (in the literary sense).
That being said, i suppose i'll bite.

A married homeowner with 6 kids has many more responsibilities beyond himself than a single male homeowner in the same financial position. In addition, the single male homeowner (all other things being equal) will almost certainly have a greater supply of disposable income with which to aquire property, travel and enjoy the beautiful country, start a business in our robust consumer market, etc.




Your quote said it all, you think those who receive the most benefit should pay higher tax rate, I merely illustrated this IS NOT the case with the current tax code, under current tax code, those who receive the least pay the most, THAT'S what I was pointing out

Whether it's wealth or marital status, it still remains true, I used marital status as an example of that


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23703679 - 10/03/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
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ballsalsa said:
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hostileuniverse said:
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ballsalsa said:
so then explain to me again why the people who gain the most benefit from living in america shouldn't pay taxes in proportion to the benefit enjoyed




The most benefit? Please explain to me how a single male home owner gets more benefit from living in America than a married homeowner who send his 6 kids to public education

And yes, the single guy pays a higher tax rate,




hmmmmm...It seems that you think i am defending the current tax code.
you realize that i was discussing differences in wealth, not differences in marital status, right?  Getting a tax break for being married has literally nothing to do with the topic at hand. your post is a non sequitur (in the literary sense).
That being said, i suppose i'll bite.

A married homeowner with 6 kids has many more responsibilities beyond himself than a single male homeowner in the same financial position. In addition, the single male homeowner (all other things being equal) will almost certainly have a greater supply of disposable income with which to aquire property, travel and enjoy the beautiful country, start a business in our robust consumer market, etc.




Your quote said it all, you think those who receive the most benefit should pay higher tax rate, I merely illustrated this IS NOT the case with the current tax code, under current tax code, those who receive the least pay the most, THAT'S what I was pointing out

Whether it's wealth or marital status, it still remains true, I used marital status as an example of that




Again, i'm not defending the current tax code, but i addressed your point anyway,for shits and giggles.  Maybe you missed that part.


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23703911 - 10/03/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Did you mean only the poor ones are smart?  keep talking in circles smart guy



you're the one talking in circles here.

poor does not mean "stupid" necessarily. but see, that's how you think...illogically.


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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23703996 - 10/03/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Enlil said:
Most people are stupid.:shrug:



most wealthy business men are also stupid. they certainly never grasp a single thing about philosophy in their life. so they went into business. i know i'm generalising. sure there are learned business men, but it's not the norm. the norm is, they aren't interested in being "smart". they're more interested in being rich, and that doesn't take most kinds of smarts...nor does it take much intellect. mostly it takes very little intellectual heft to get a business off the ground...to get Trump rich, even, takes no real amount of said heft.




MOST WEALTHY BUSINESSMEN ARE ALSO STUPID

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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23704018 - 10/03/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

you can be stupid and you can be smart, genius. most wealthy businessmen are ALSO...stupid...ALSO...stupid. breathe it in, and breathe it out,...ALSO stupid...and then i go on to ways businessmen can be smart, but how most of the wealthy people in the world are dumb in ways they probably can't even fathom -- though, that's only MOST; that is to say that some are brilliant philosophers, in their own right.

take Stephen Hawking for example.

now, that you have the explanation of how you misunderstood what i said, well, do you understand now?


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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23704067 - 10/03/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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you can be stupid and you can be smart, genius. most wealthy businessmen are ALSO...stupid...ALSO...stupid. breathe it in, and breathe it out,...ALSO stupid...and then i go on to ways businessmen can be smart, but how most of the wealthy people in the world are dumb in ways they probably can't even fathom -- though, that's only MOST; that is to say that some are brilliant philosophers, in their own right.

take Stephen Hawking for example.

now, that you have the explanation of how you misunderstood what i said, well, do you understand now?




You're not making any sense, being successful in a competitive market place takes intelligence, if it was so easy getting rich in business, why doesn't everyone do it?  Because they can't, most lack the intelligence to do it.

Trump knows how the real world works, he learned on the job as well, he's not stupid.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman] * 1
    #23704071 - 10/03/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

akira has some major armchair quarterback tendencies when it comes to these things.


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Re: Trump [Re: qman]
    #23704157 - 10/03/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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You're not making any sense, being successful in a competitive market place takes intelligence, if it was so easy getting rich in business, why doesn't everyone do it?  Because they can't, most lack the intelligence to do it.

Trump knows how the real world works, he learned on the job as well, he's not stupid.




i didn't say anyone was stupid. i said, businessmen tend to lack smarts in other areas, other than business. :facepalm: just like an economist might not have the same same business acumen as a businessman; ie, they have different things they are learned in, therefore, they are stupid in other ways they are not learned in -- like that economist, he might be good at what he does, but still can't understand what other mathematicians can in other fields; the businessman is good at what he does, but won't be so good physics, and possibly can suck at math, in general. stockmarket trends aren't math...tracking those trends, that takes good math skills, but those aren't businessmen in the retail or production sense -- they're marketing and usually work investing, which is still something that excludes the finer details of what they may be incredibly stupid at.


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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23704172 - 10/03/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So what point were you originally trying to make, exactly? That businessmen suck because they don't all have a liberal arts acumen or something?

Do you know karate? No? Well then fuck you, you martially-illiterate philistine. :smirk:


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Re: Trump [Re: Great Scott]
    #23704269 - 10/03/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i know Kung-Fu, black.

my original point was that it's stupid to hop on Trump's dick with the assumption that because he "is a good business man, he'll know what to do" with America.

the assumption is broad, and vacuous.


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23704322 - 10/03/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
*claims $916,000,000 losses on taxes*




You're beloved democrats wrote most of these twisted tax laws that allowed him to do this, just another example of idiotic example of the sheep hearing "we are gonna raise taxes on the rich" and being so clueless about what they are actually doing

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most wealthy business men are also stupid




Did you mean only the poor ones are smart?  keep talking in circles smart guy




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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23704324 - 10/03/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
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akira_akuma said:
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Enlil said:
Most people are stupid.:shrug:



most wealthy business men are also stupid. they certainly never grasp a single thing about philosophy in their life. so they went into business. i know i'm generalising. sure there are learned business men, but it's not the norm. the norm is, they aren't interested in being "smart". they're more interested in being rich, and that doesn't take most kinds of smarts...nor does it take much intellect. mostly it takes very little intellectual heft to get a business off the ground...to get Trump rich, even, takes no real amount of said heft.




MOST WEALTHY BUSINESSMEN ARE ALSO STUPID

you're words,  not mine




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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23704328 - 10/03/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Democrats bitch that people don't pay enough in taxes, and then run to every tax write off, shelter, and tax haven available

They are the epitome of hipocritical liars




hypocritical*


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Re: Trump [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23704383 - 10/03/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Damn son.

You as cold as ice.

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Re: Trump [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23704401 - 10/03/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

dem triflin' hip-o-criticals, yo!


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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma] * 3
    #23704409 - 10/03/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I figured we gotta go back to basics with HU. Start with grammar, slowly work our way up to rationale and deductive reasoning.


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