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Re: Trump [Re: viktor]
    #22930092 - 02/21/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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No, they do it with ease. This is because all Western countries apart from the USA have a level of trust that Americans have much trouble understanding. The average American is basically a clinical narcissist by the standards of just about every other culture on Earth.

I've been basically everywhere in the West. Americans treat each other like dogshit. There is so much more solidarity and trust in every other Western nation that America is like a war zone in comparison.

I'm really curious to know how my taxes will go up if Sanders wins. Not that I care about my taxes going up, because more taxes just means more services. But this is frankly a bizarre assertion and I wonder how you can justify it.



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If you really don't believe he'll raise taxes, you haven't been paying attention, he's admitted, several times in several places, and not just on the "rich" he happily admits to raising them on everyone


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22930098 - 02/21/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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I hate to say it but this is true. Most americans don't give a fuck about anyone except there own immediate family and maybe a few friends. Americans are some of the most isolated people on earth as well the concept of community is looked upon with suspicion.





Translation: Americans don't like to support lazy people, them bastards!


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Re: Trump [Re: viktor]
    #22930132 - 02/21/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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If you really don't believe he'll raise taxes, you haven't been paying attention, he's admitted, several times in several places, and not just on the "rich" he happily admits to raising them on everyone




He's not going to raise my taxes though, is he? So why do I care about taxes going up for people who aren't me? Especially when there is a massive net benefit for a large number of other people?




The Israelis aren't bombing me, so why should I give a shit about who they bomb... Blah blah blah

Yes, I was pointing out your absurdity by being absurd...


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Re: Trump [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22930213 - 02/21/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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This is particularly perceptive, viktor.  It is true that we are essentially kind of like narcissistic pirates over here, and it's every man for himself.  God forbid we help our fellow man in need of it.  There is no social cohesion whatsoever; community is nonexistent, and even neighbors hardly ever talk to each other.  And Americans don't even realize any of this.  They're too busy waving and worshipping flags and watching Nascar over one too many Budweisers.  Times are many when I wish I could live somewhere else.







That's funny because all the flag waving nascar watching neighbors I've had, are friendly as hell. It seems to be the progressive snooty elitists that I'm "beneath" and not worth getting to know...

And yeah, we help each other plenty, this notion that if we don't support every fucking bum with free food, healthcare, college and everything else they demand, that somehow we are cruel and uncaring is ridiculous...


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Re: Trump [Re: viktor]
    #22930314 - 02/21/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Americans who have travelled tend to be pretty switched on, in my experience, like anyone else. It's just that few seem to have travelled much outside of the USA.




Ive traveled quite a bit, mostly to Asia, and I don't believe any of this tripe about selfish Americans, I'm not selfish, I just don't want to support people who are lazy...


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Re: Trump [Re: viktor]
    #22930340 - 02/21/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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It's the fact that you treat people in need as if they were merely lazy bums that demonstrates your selfishness.




It's selfish to want to keep what I've earned? But not for people to demand I give it to them???


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22930393 - 02/21/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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It's the fact that you treat people in need as if they were merely lazy bums that demonstrates your selfishness.




It's selfish to want to keep what I've earned? But not for people to demand I give it to them???




I guess so...:facepalm:


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Re: Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22930601 - 02/21/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Reduce the narcissism, and people will naturally give their money and time away to the needy.




You're assuming Americans don't already do this, we are charitable, just some of us don't want it to be through govt.

YOU are everything that is wrong with the world. You assume because someone has more than you they should feel some obligation to share it with YOU.

I give plenty to charity. You don't see that as charity though, because it's not going to YOU, or who you think it SHOULD go to, you only see charity as something to be forced under the threat of violence.


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Re: Trump [Re: viktor]
    #22930692 - 02/21/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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You're assuming Americans don't already do this, we are charitable, just some of us don't want it to be through govt.




You're not charitable though, that's the point. Why do you have far more homeless, poor, gun deaths etc. compared to other countries? Because you're not a charitable people, no matter how many times you try and repeat that you are. You're simply not.




Can you tell me why your country didn't give fuck all to Haiti after its earthquake? You're a greedy country, shame shame...

And what does gun violence have to do with charity????

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Re: Trump [Re: viktor]
    #22932544 - 02/22/16 05:40 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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If you're charitable to people, they commit less gun violence.




Most gun violence is suicide, I guess people weren't charitable enough to them...

I notice you ignored the part about Haiti, so I'll ask again, why is your country so greedy and selfish???


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Re: Trump [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22937092 - 02/23/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-donald-trump-s-tax-plan

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Trump’s tax plan would substantially lower individual income taxes and the corporate income tax and eliminate a number of complex features in the current tax code.
Mr. Trump’s plan would cut taxes by $11.98 trillion over the next decade on a static basis. However, the plan would end up reducing tax revenues by $10.14 trillion over the next decade when accounting for economic growth from increases in the supply of labor and capital.
The plan would also result in increased outlays due to higher interest on the debt, creating a ten-year deficit somewhat larger than the estimates above.
According to the Tax Foundation’s Taxes and Growth Model, the plan would significantly reduce marginal tax rates and the cost of capital, which would lead to an 11 percent higher GDP over the long term provided that the tax cut could be appropriately financed.
The plan would also lead to a 29 percent larger capital stock, 6.5 percent higher wages, and 5.3 million more full-time equivalent jobs.
The plan would cut taxes and lead to higher after-tax incomes for taxpayers at all levels of income.




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Re: Trump [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22937095 - 02/23/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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You're assuming Americans don't already do this, we are charitable, just some of us don't want it to be through govt.





Do you know why Social Security was enacted?  It was because charity isn't reliable, and the country had huge problem with crippling poverty among the elderly.  Unlike relying on charity, by funding SSI through a payroll tax, the govt forced everyone to have some skin in the game and to take some responsibility for their old age.  Unlike charity, SSI was and still is wildly and reliably successful at its primary purpose, which is to keep the elderly from being homeless and starving.




Social security is a Ponzi scheme, the same thing that sent Bernie Madoff to prison...


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Re: Trump [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22937211 - 02/23/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Sure, if social security taxes were allowed to be invested, instead of put into the general fund of greedy politicians, the elderly would come out much better off.

You can yap all day about the failures of "charity" but what you'll never admit to is the failure of govt in this instance. The money that was supposed to be used for social security, was raided and spent. It was a betrayal of the American people. The money being given out today is being borrowed from the taxpayers who haven't even been born yet.


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Re: Trump [Re: fivepointer]
    #22947534 - 02/26/16 06:42 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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A professor of political science at Stony Brook University has forecasted that Donald Trump has a minimum 97 percent chance of winning the general election as the Republican nominee.

Professor Helmut Norpoth’s forecast presentation took place Monday evening in the SUNY Global Center in Manhattan, which was organized by the Stony Brook Alumni Association.

Norpoth created a statistical model of presidential elections that uses a candidate’s performance in their party’s primary and patterns in the electoral cycle as predictors of the presidential vote in the general election.

Donald Trump has a 97 percent chance of defeating Hillary Clinton and a 99 percent chance of defeating Bernie Sanders in the general election, according to Norpoth’s formula.

“The bottom line is that the primary model, using also the cyclical movement, makes it almost certain that Donald Trump will be the next president,” Norpoth said, “if he’s a nominee of the [Republican] party.”

Norpoth’s primary model works for every presidential election since 1912, with the notable exception of the 1960 election. These results give the model an accuracy of 96.1 percent.

Norpoth began the presentation with an introduction of the potential matchups in the general election, including a hypothetical Sanders vs. Trump general election.

“When I started out with this kind of display a few months ago, I thought it was sort of a joke.” Norpoth said referring to Trump and Sanders, as many alumni in the audience laughed. “Well, I’ll tell you right now, it ain’t a joke anymore.”

As the presentation continued, laughter turned to silence as Norpoth forecasted a 61 percent chance of a Republican win in the general election.

This forecast was made using the electoral cycle model, which studies a pattern of voting in the presidential election that makes it less likely for an incumbent party to hold the presidency after two terms in office. The model does not assume who would be the party nominees or the conditions of the country at the time.

“You think ‘This is crazy. How can anything come up with something like that?’ ” Norpoth said “But that’s exactly the kind of equation I used to predict Bill Clinton winning in ‘96, that I used to predict that George Bush would win in 2004, and, as you remember four years ago, that Obama would win in 2012.”

Norpoth then added data from the New Hampshire and South Carolina primaries to narrow down the forecast to specific candidates. As he brought up the first slide with matchup results, the silence was broken by muttering from the audience.

“Trump beats Hillary 54.7 percent to 45.3 percent [of the popular vote]. This is almost too much to believe.” Norpoth said, with a few members of the audience laughing nervously. “The probability of that [outcome] is almost complete certainty, 97 percent. It’s almost ‘Take it to the bank.’ ”

The primary model predicts a Trump victory with such certainty due to Trump’s relatively high success in the Republican primaries, Norpoth said. Clinton, in comparison, is in an essential tie with Sanders in the Democratic primaries. As a result, Sanders would also lose to Trump in a similar landslide if Sanders were to be the Democratic nominee, Norpoth said.

In contrast, Norpoth forecasted that a hypothetical presidential race with Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio on the Republican ticket would be a much closer race. The results showed Clinton with a 55 percent chance of winning the race against Cruz or Rubio with a 0.3 percent lead in the popular vote.

Norpoth’s model showed Sanders losing against Rubio or Cruz with a 0.6 percent gap in the popular vote, giving a Rubio or Cruz ticket a 60 percent chance of winning against the Vermont senator.

Norpoth added that while the non-Trump Republican ticket would be much more unlikely to win the general election due to differences in the popular vote and the electoral college vote, there is almost no chance that Trump would lose the electoral college vote with his forecasted lead in the popular vote.

“If you win by 54 percent [of the popular vote], you have a big majority in the electoral college,” Norpoth said. “Nobody who has ever gotten 54 percent has lost.”







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Re: Trump [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23005124 - 03/14/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:most liberals are fucking idiots anyway.




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Yeah, I'm against the patriot act, mostly. NSA spying, mostly. And for the legalization of drugs, that don't mean I advocate turning the country over to a goddamed socialist retard.

I think most people can agree on some issues, it's the big issues that need to be addressed, like tax reform, it's been 30 years since the last major tax reform and since then, 75,000 pages have been added. Even most big government progressives know that's ridiculous


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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23024217 - 03/19/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

If you hate Trump, you have the GOP to blame. If you love Trump, you have the GOP to thank. The GOP has been shitting on its voters since Reagan, and it's about time they said enough.


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23027748 - 03/20/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

I guess these guys couldn't find a job picking fruit, only a matter of time until progressives come to their defense

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2016/03/illegals_held_in_vicious_framingham_rape

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Federal immigration officials are requesting detainers on four illegal aliens accused of a heinous attack on a Framingham couple in which the woman was raped and her boyfriend was beaten and threatened with death, the Herald has learned.

Two of the illegals had previously been deported to Guatemala, said Immigration and 
Customs Enforcement spokesman Shawn Neudauer.




Build the fucking wall.

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    #23028067 - 03/20/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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come to the defence of that singular case in particular? nah. i don't think so.




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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23028280 - 03/20/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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yeah, and how do you propose that you round-up immigrants without due process when there are immigrants legally living in the US? how do you vet this process, smart guy?




If their visas are expired, they are no longer living here legally. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that


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Re: Trump [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23028365 - 03/20/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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One of the purposes of building the wall is to make the neighboring countries have an better screening process of their own citizens and tourists, to help prevent terrorists from entering into this country. And there's a lot of undocumented immigrants that are entering as well, that they are committing serious crimes here and then they flees back to their country to prevent from getting caught and then come back into this country under a new name like Father Hildago or something like that. The way they I.D's someone in their country is by if someone recognizes ever seeing them; but giving others a few bucks, they will say anything that they want them to say. the Mexican's people are uncivilized as we are, but we can track our citizens down if they has committed an uncivilized act.




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