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Re: Trump [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #22928904 - 02/21/16 05:38 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Fucking surreal, is what.




Seen from outside America, it is now impossible to tell the difference between this Presidential campaign and the kind of madness that one might hallucinate on salvia. It just simply is not believable. Trump and Hillary are two of the worst human beings I could even imagine. They're both utterly soulless.

But odds are, one of them will soon be President.


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Re: Trump [Re: Loyola10]
    #22929112 - 02/21/16 08:20 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

No, millions of third world immigrants coming to a country is almost guaranteed to make the standard of living lower.

I think Trump is dangerously insane, but as long as its Trump vs. Sanders I will be immensely entertained by either winner.


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Re: Trump [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22929949 - 02/21/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

All of Sanders's proposals are well possible. It's just that American culture is based on shitting on the younger, poorer, dumber and weaker, and as such there is little political will to carry out the sort of things that other countries manage with ease.

The idea of Trump with the nuclear codes is hilarious. I'd be more than 50% convinced that humanity would not survive the first term of the Donald.

Trump is basically popular for exactly the same reasons that Hitler was popular, minus the overt anti-Jew stuff. Namely, he is a predictable reaction to the massive corruption in Washington.


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Re: Trump [Re: MarkostheGnostic] * 1
    #22930082 - 02/21/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

No, they do it with ease. This is because all Western countries apart from the USA have a level of trust that Americans have much trouble understanding. The average American is basically a clinical narcissist by the standards of just about every other culture on Earth.

I've been basically everywhere in the West. Americans treat each other like dogshit. There is so much more solidarity and trust in every other Western nation that America is like a war zone in comparison.

I'm really curious to know how my taxes will go up if Sanders wins. Not that I care about my taxes going up, because more taxes just means more services. But this is frankly a bizarre assertion and I wonder how you can justify it.


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #22930115 - 02/21/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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If you really don't believe he'll raise taxes, you haven't been paying attention, he's admitted, several times in several places, and not just on the "rich" he happily admits to raising them on everyone




He's not going to raise my taxes though, is he? So why do I care about taxes going up for people who aren't me? Especially when there is a massive net benefit for a large number of other people?


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Re: Trump [Re: Loyola10]
    #22930128 - 02/21/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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However victor is right about the rampant narcissism and lack of community in the us.




It's not all Americans. Most Americans under 40 are like everyone else. But the current generation of American baby boomers are probably the single most narcissistic group of people ever to have existed.

This is why an utterly vapid and shallow fellow narcissist like Hillary Clinton appeals to them so much. If they vote for Clinton it will be their last gasp; the future of America belongs to men like Sanders.


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Re: Trump [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #22930300 - 02/21/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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No, they do it with ease. This is because all Western countries apart from the USA have a level of trust that Americans have much trouble understanding. The average American is basically a clinical narcissist by the standards of just about every other culture on Earth.

I've been basically everywhere in the West. Americans treat each other like dogshit. There is so much more solidarity and trust in every other Western nation that America is like a war zone in comparison.

I'm really curious to know how my taxes will go up if Sanders wins. Not that I care about my taxes going up, because more taxes just means more services. But this is frankly a bizarre assertion and I wonder how you can justify it.




This is particularly perceptive, viktor.  It is true that we are essentially kind of like narcissistic pirates over here, and it's every man for himself.  God forbid we help our fellow man in need of it.  There is no social cohesion whatsoever; community is nonexistent, and even neighbors hardly ever talk to each other.  And Americans don't even realize any of this.  They're too busy waving and worshipping flags and watching Nascar over one too many Budweisers.  Times are many when I wish I could live somewhere else.




Hey, I thought you were British until this post :shrug:

Anyway, the striking thing about Americans, especially the middle-aged and older, is that they generally have so little idea about what's going on elsewhere. It's almost as if they think they're living in their own personal Truman Show.

Sometimes it's as if other people or countries don't even really exist, like New Zealand might as well be Narnia or some other fictional place where nothing applies to America.

Yeah it's every man for himself. Unfortunately Americans don't seem to have drawn the connection between that attitude and massive rates of gun crime, homicides, suicides, homelessness, shitty mental health treatment etc.

Americans who have travelled tend to be pretty switched on, in my experience, like anyone else. It's just that few seem to have travelled much outside of the USA.


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #22930318 - 02/21/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

It's the fact that you treat people in need as if they were merely lazy bums that demonstrates your selfishness.


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22930406 - 02/21/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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It's the fact that you treat people in need as if they were merely lazy bums that demonstrates your selfishness.




It's selfish to want to keep what I've earned? But not for people to demand I give it to them???




You are basically everything that's wrong with America. You will never, ever realise this though. So the others will have to drag you screaming into the 21st century.


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Re: Trump [Re: Loyola10] * 1
    #22930450 - 02/21/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Redistribution of wealth is inevitable if you decrease the level of narcissism in a society. The less narcissistic people are, the less happy they will feel from being wealthier than other people around them.

The only way you can enjoy being wealthy when there is such great poverty in your country is if you are a narcissist. There's no way around that. Reduce the narcissism, and people will naturally give their money and time away to the needy.


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Re: Trump [Re: Loyola10]
    #22930465 - 02/21/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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In any case if you remove the incentive for them to accumulate wealth society will suffer in the long haul.




How does society benefit from people hoarding wealth now?


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Re: Trump [Re: Loyola10]
    #22930509 - 02/21/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not talking about government edicts. I'm saying that as the level of narcissism in American society inevitably decreases with the decline and death of the baby boomers, people will naturally be more compassionate and charitable. This will lead to them voting to give more of their own money away in the form of higher taxes.


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #22930651 - 02/21/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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You're assuming Americans don't already do this, we are charitable, just some of us don't want it to be through govt.




You're not charitable though, that's the point. Why do you have far more homeless, poor, gun deaths etc. compared to other countries? Because you're not a charitable people, no matter how many times you try and repeat that you are. You're simply not.


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Re: Trump [Re: viktor]
    #22930656 - 02/21/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I don't care if any money goes to me. I have enough.


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22930783 - 02/21/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

If you're charitable to people, they commit less gun violence.


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Re: Trump [Re: akira_akuma] * 4
    #23008325 - 03/15/16 03:07 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

I want to see a Trump vs. Sanders vs. Clinton vs. Rubio four-way gangbang Royal Rumble for the Presidency.


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Re: Trump [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #23037653 - 03/23/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Hey zappa, I've been thinking of you.

As President you're either going to get a socialist, Hillary, or a Repub who hates Jews.

That means you lose no matter what. That makes me so happy.


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Re: Trump [Re: AGUARES] * 2
    #23334411 - 06/11/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I watched the entirety of that video Connoisseur posted.

What struck me the most was that Trump comes across as a human being. Unlike Jeb Bush, Cruz and Hillary.

I think politics over the past 30-40 years has been a race to the bottom in becoming ever more false and poll-driven and media friendly.

Trump is thus a revolution. I think he will win.


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Re: Trump [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 3
    #23415276 - 07/05/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The quality of discourse on this forum would increase greatly if no-one responded to hostileuniverse any more. Since he turned up it's like everyone lost about 30 IQ points.


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23533120 - 08/11/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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No need to be jealous of anyone else's succes




So what's your story? Why does someone not educated well enough to spell 'success' come out on behalf of the party of the rich? You're obviously poor, so why do you support policies that favour the rich at the expense of the poor?


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