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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22220633 - 09/11/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

...unless the soil is un-digable, but how often would that happen?

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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22220634 - 09/11/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not really that surprising. I mean I don't know exactly how they got them on in the first place, but it'd be reasonable to assume if they could even get them on the rollers to begin with, they could get them back on if they had to.

As I said on the first page, people often underestimate our ancestors. We have technology and stuff to make our lives easier. We hold ourselves up like we're superior simply because we have computers and robotics and what not. But that's just the evolution of technology. It wasn't really created to solve a problem, it was created because it could be created. When we do come across something we seemingly can't do, we invent technology to do it for us. We can't mass produce stuff fast enough, we make automated machines to do it. They had to look around with limited options and figure out how to do something.

If anything I think they were more advanced than we are. Randomly pick one person from like 5 B.C. and throw them into the middle of no where, watch how long they survive. Then do it to one of us. You're most likely going to see the ancestor live and us die. Another thing is to just look at some of the shit they created with the very limited technology they had. Even today we'd struggle to build the pyramids.

So yeah, I'm pretty sure they'd have little problem getting a block back onto rollers. They also had a lot more time to waste on figuring out solutions to these problems. They didn't really need a 9 to 5 job just to keep a home and keep from starving.


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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: abductee]
    #22220661 - 09/11/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've recently seen some pictures of stone spheres on mars, there was also a mass not far away that could be seen as two figures clung together and mummyfied by sheer heat. I think they were comparing it to some sphere's found here on earth and Theorized as possibly being part of some extinctional event. ( yes I believe i'm creating words) lol


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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: abductee]
    #22220674 - 09/11/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think aliens would have a form of science.

Certain vibration frequency or frequencies are supposed to be able to lift objects or make them lighter.
  Its said to be witnessed a bunch of monks chanting a certain tone or frequency that enabled them to lift a stone. Maybe once it's lifted or under that frequency's wave its as light as a feather?
  there was someone within the last 100 years who may have created a device that was able to lift heavy objects. I believe it was shaped like an ice cream cone, maybe he had two one in each hand.. I'm sure if you googled or youtubbed ice cream cone stone lifter or something to that effect you will get some search results.




Do you know about coral castle in Florida? This little eastern European man built a megalithic stone garden, and would often say exactly what you are saying...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1vyB-O5i6E
In the clip above the description says "a frog is levitated using a 10 tesla magnetic coil using diamagnetism" (the frog is full of water, so it can float, like at coral castle he used a very porous stone, I'm sure he submerged the stones in water then subjected them to similar fields.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle

www.youtube.com/watch?v=veM5nZNBoW8
Aero-Acoustic Levitation of Ping-Pong Ball, this is another method that may be modified in some way to move objects, but as of now a ping-pong ball (3g?) is the best we can do...

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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22220694 - 09/11/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The first ping-pong link I posted was terrible, sorry, this one is much better.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt-WoKdP2wQ

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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22220702 - 09/11/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'll check out coral castle, i'm not sure if I heard of that one, i'm going to check out your link. I've seen the ping pong ball experiment, still really cool. I imagine there's advancements to this that we haven't seen yet.


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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22220710 - 09/11/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
...unless the soil is un-digable, but how often would that happen?

-E. Borodin



Even still; if they managed to quarry 20 ton rocks, then I imagine they would have been able to carve out a niche underneath a slipped rock to put them into a position to move it again. Really, it's amazing that people managed to move rocks this big back then, but since it happened just about all over the world, it's obviously something that groups of people are quite capable of doing. It would have been awesome to watch them do it from an archaeological viewpoint. Very interesting indeed!

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I'm sure he submerged the stones in water then subjected them to similar fields



Nah, I don't think so really. Sounds like an overly complex solution and he'd need to construct like a 2000000T magnet around a piece of rock, which just doesn't make sense.
Also, the video of the aucoustic levitation as you probably know relies on a completely different mechanism and one that would be equally problematic in scaling it up. It sounds much more logical that he'd move the rocks in a similar way as the Egyptians are theorized to have done it: on some kind of bearing, and lifting them with some kind of hoisting apparatus. These things sound pretty doable for a very clever man; the other methods are really beyond the abilities of one dude in the first half of the 20th century.


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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: koraks]
    #22220741 - 09/11/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i'm watching a video on coral castle mystery solved. Its pretty basic, he used a tripod type hoist. there's video of him using it and the pully's are still in the shed at coral castle. His little electric device was just a simple electromagnetic powered thing. he used it to power two light bulbs, but when he stopped cranking it the light went out.lol i'm baked, but here's the video


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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: abductee]
    #22221568 - 09/11/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Moving a large stone, some were over 50 tons, across sand using tree trunks as rollers is a monumental task. Its not easy as people who have no concept of doing stuff like that might think. Its much harder than it sounds because the rollers sink into the sand and will not turn. They have to be on a flat hard surface to move and the surface has to be capable of supporting the giant load. The rollers all have to be the same diameter or you run into problems and they will get ground up during the process and need to be replaced often.

Then there is the problem of putting them on higher levels which makes it much more difficult.


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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22221612 - 09/11/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

there most likely wasn't even sand there when it was built..........also have you heard of wood planks?  anything you can think of can be worked around, they had time, lots of time, to think about shit.  it was time consuming, hard work, but that's exactly what those people had, they had LOTS of time, and lots of people to work, which most likely included slaves.

instead of the 130 trying to simulate what they did, it could have been in reality 500 or 1000 people who were actually moving them.  doing the actual work requires strength and numbers and time, them being able to do it, easy


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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: koraks]
    #22222369 - 09/11/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
...unless the soil is un-digable, but how often would that happen?

-E. Borodin



Even still; if they managed to quarry 20 ton rocks, then I imagine they would have been able to carve out a niche underneath a slipped rock to put them into a position to move it again. Really, it's amazing that people managed to move rocks this big back then, but since it happened just about all over the world, it's obviously something that groups of people are quite capable of doing. It would have been awesome to watch them do it from an archaeological viewpoint. Very interesting indeed!

Quote:

I'm sure he submerged the stones in water then subjected them to similar fields



Nah, I don't think so really. Sounds like an overly complex solution and he'd need to construct like a 2000000T magnet around a piece of rock, which just doesn't make sense.
Also, the video of the aucoustic levitation as you probably know relies on a completely different mechanism and one that would be equally problematic in scaling it up. It sounds much more logical that he'd move the rocks in a similar way as the Egyptians are theorized to have done it: on some kind of bearing, and lifting them with some kind of hoisting apparatus. These things sound pretty doable for a very clever man; the other methods are really beyond the abilities of one dude in the first half of the 20th century.




Cutting a niche into a smaller rock may be fine, a rock in excess of tons would snap the prying polls, all of these techniques are time tested and work, I'm not arguing that, but when you are reaching 20+ ton stones the effectiveness of these techniques is massively reduced....the "stone of the pregnant woman" at baalbek (Lebanon) weight is estimated at around 1650tons, even with modern equipment we could not move that....


And generally I would agree, there's nothing to the coral castle thing, the coral castle guy was known for making outrageous claims about the secrets of the Egyptians and has tons of research into magnetism and the earths the magnetic field, and since I recalled the diamagnetic levitation of the frog, I thought, wouldn't it be crazy if he had to use coral stone because it had to stay wet when these diamagnetic fields were being applied...but yeah, in reality he probably did it with pulleys of some type, though he probably would have needed more than his single tripod pulley, and we still don't know how he carved these things, well nobody saw him do it, keep in mind that little 120 lb 5'4" man built and carved  that entire complex by himself, so even if he didn't have Any special secrets, that's still pretty damn impressive.

(the pyramids went up FAST, it only took 20-30 years to build the great pyramid, thats faster than you think could have been possible using the methods described, so, is it not possible or even probable that they had devised a technique for moving megaliths that we have yet to discover? There has to be an easier way to cut, carve, and transport megalithic stones with ease accuracy and precision...Or maybe not, but I think even with modern tools the great pyramid would have been a monumental task...

From Asia, to Egypt and other parts of Africa to south America and Mexico we see these intricate megalithic structures, all built by people with little more than trees and ropes...in the case of gobekli tepe we came out of the last glaciation as skilled builders moving 20+ ton megaliths...

I don't know, but to me it seems like we may be missing a piece of the picture, and I'm still confident that there's far more that we don't know, and may never know, about our history.

-E. Borodin


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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22222409 - 09/11/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Different theories propose the use of levers, wood sleds or long ramps to move the stones into place. Each of these theories has its problems. For instance, for a ramp to help bring a block to the top of the pyramid at a plausible angle, it would have to be a mile long. -ask.com


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