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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: LackToast]
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Stone spheres of Costa Rica
carved by people
These were anomalous objects because their use is mysterious, they were obviously man made, we just don't know why man made them.
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·Roman dodecahedron
bronze casting, probably just decorative
These were often discovered with treasure and peoples valuables, so they May have been the ancient equivalent of a Fabergé egg, these we also found made of stone, and the near identical structure of these objects suggest that they may have been more than decoration, for if they were decoration you would expect to see artistic additions and modifications to the original design, "Plutarch, the famous Greek historian reportedly identified the dodecahedron as a vital instrument for zodiac signs", though he never explains how...
The mystery here, again, is, what are these for?
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·Gold "air-planes of south America
stylized, zoomorphic depiction of some kind, probably a bird
Have you ever seen an insect or a bird with its wings on the bottom?

All of these have the wings on their underside, they are all aerodynamic to a degree beyond decoration, and scale models which were giving motors flew perfectly.
I'm not a fan of ancient aliens, I honestly despise that program, I don't think aliens had anything to do with this, I think ancient man was far more advanced then we give them credit for...
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As for the London Hammer, I assumed it was a fake or a modern object that somehow was invaded in stone.
I can't say about the pipes in China, I don't know enough about them...
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: Gobekli tepe also was not a living center, a town or a city, it was a temple built in the middle of nowhere essentially, a gathering point for several cultures, as the stone animal reliefs depict animals not native to the region, perhaps it does symbolize the point when Neolithic transitioned to agriculture, but at the same time the accepted theories say these people were not in possession of the tools necessary to build a gobekli tepe at that time, so something must be altered.
stone can be used to carve and shape stone

These are intricate carvings, that likely would have required tools more advanced than shaped stones, but since I'm not a stone mason, I can't say with certainty...
This site was constructed in the Neolithic, we were said to be nomadic Hunter gatherers at that time,with little to no tools, no agriculture to support a workforce, they did not have any of the essentials needed for a project like gobekli tepe...
Man must have been more technologically advanced than we believed him to be in ancient times...
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I don't see how that wouldn't have been possible with stone tools. The Egyptians built the pyramids including their many intricate carvings with stone and wooden tools as well.
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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: Thanks for explaining it all pris. Some op's expect others to do the research, can't be bothered to make a one paragraph explanation of what they are talking about.
The link in the initial post is for a short (7 minute) video where every object is described in detail, I generated the list from this video, so I expected people would watch the video and discuss the objects, why would I have to waste all the time and space explaining every object when I posted a very short video to do just that?
...and yes, if your in a thread about ancient objects, I'm going to assume that you know something about ancient objects...and in case you don't, I posted a link to the film detailing, it's the VERY TOP of my first post...I hardly consider a 7 minute film "research", it takes seven minutes of your time. Again maybe I'm overestimating some people, but I assume the people reading these things a knowledgeable to the point where I would not have to waste all the time and space reviewing the objects detailed in the link, that was the point of the link and the source of the list of objects. I did not just randomly select these objects, the list is from the short film, linked at the top of the first post.
I'm sorry that your so opposed to having to do any research... When I'm reading a thread and I don't know something being discussed, I actually enjoy looking it up, doing a little research and learning something new, I figured due to the nature of my topics the readers would have this same enthusiasm.
...and for those who don't, I linked the short video explaining every object in detail at the top of my initial post.
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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: koraks]
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they are all aerodynamic to a degree beyond decoration
How does this prove they are airplanes? I think it proves they are birds, which are more aerodynamically optimized
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the thing about those gold airplanes is that they mostly all have tail wings, birds only have a tail, not tail "wings". Some of them look a lot like birds, others sort of like bugs. the 2 in the middle almost look like they are fakes tho thrown in and hoping nobody questioned if they were authentic

thing is the head on all of them resemble animals, so that throws everything into question. if they were advanced enough to make planes, and these were copys of them, why have animal heads?
it would make sense if they were recreating something they saw that they didn't make, or it was a toy and given animals heads for kids I guess, but why would kids need gold toys. have they found any other gold toys at all?
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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: koraks]
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koraks said: I don't see how that wouldn't have been possible with stone tools. The Egyptians built the pyramids including their many intricate carvings with stone and wooden tools as well.
The Egyptians were not a stone age culture, they were far out of the Neolithic, and had more advancements in technology. I also feel we underestimated the Egyptians technological capabilities.
At the time gobekli tepe was built, we were said to have little more than pointy rocks on sticks, we had no agriculture so you could not feed a work force, and gobekli tepe was a BIG site...
What the Egyptians did was amazing, but gobekli tepe should have been impossible...
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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: koods]
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they are all aerodynamic to a degree beyond decoration
How does this prove they are airplanes? I think it proves they are birds, which are more aerodynamically optimized
Birds and insects all have their wings on the top of their body, , the gold figures all have wings on the bottom,and birds and insects don't have vertical tail stabilizers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabilizer_(aeronautics)
Plus the aerodynamics of a plane a very specific, any small error will cause failure.
These objects are all confirmed artifacts, no fakes are pictured.
I've seen the animal and insect representations of the culture said to have produced these artifacts, they look like birds and insects...These do not...
I'm not saying what it means, I'm just saying we are missing something when it comes to human history, humans must have been far more technologically advanced than we give them credit for...
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koraks said: I don't see how that wouldn't have been possible with stone tools. The Egyptians built the pyramids including their many intricate carvings with stone and wooden tools as well.
The Egyptians were not a stone age culture, they were far out of the Neolithic
You're correct, my remark was uninformed. The Egyptians did use bronze tools. I also don't contest that they were technologically very advanced. The precision with which they built their monuments is astounding.
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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said: the thing about those gold airplanes is that they mostly all have tail wings, birds only have a tail, not tail "wings". Some of them look a lot like birds, others sort of like bugs. the 2 in the middle almost look like they are fakes tho thrown in and hoping nobody questioned if they were authentic

thing is the head on all of them resemble animals, so that throws everything into question. if they were advanced enough to make planes, and these were copys of them, why have animal heads?
it would make sense if they were recreating something they saw that they didn't make, or it was a toy and given animals heads for kids I guess, but why would kids need gold toys. have they found any other gold toys at all?
They are not toys, I'm guessing they discovered this knowledge about aerodynamics, and to preserve the information cast it in gold, like a scale guide, if your building a plane do it to these EXACT specifications and it will fly, they were preservation of the information, maybe even scale models used to aide construction...
the plane dead center in that photograph has front propellers and a tail stablizer...you can wind up a propeller, just like the rubber band cardboard air-plane toys, but builds to human scale, perhaps they would launch off of a cliff, then release the rope winding the propeller, they would achieve flight beyond gliding with the tension powered front propeller, but they would need a cliff to launch from...
I think the gold representations were meant to be used the exact way they were used in the modern test, you build it by the exact specifications and measurements as the gold model, only scaled up. www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHCwL6-L1kk So just like the test described in the link above, you build it by the exact dimensions as the gold model, only you scale it up, it could have been a guide for ancient plane builders...
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the more you look at them the more it looks like its representing a person. this one looks like those rings people put around their necks to lengthen the neck. then the posts coming out of the face looks like face modifications. not sure about the 4 posts at the tail tho

again if you look, its a face with the mouth wide open, these faces could be masks as well, people wore masks a lot for some reason.
the loops on the wings of this one sure is odd tho. maybe the wings represent a persons ears, and those are holes from ear modification

from the side it looks ALOT like a statue of a person
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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: koraks]
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koraks said: I don't see how that wouldn't have been possible with stone tools. The Egyptians built the pyramids including their many intricate carvings with stone and wooden tools as well.
The Egyptians were not a stone age culture, they were far out of the Neolithic
You're correct, my remark was uninformed. The Egyptians did use bronze tools. I also don't contest that they were technologically very advanced. The precision with which they built their monuments is astounding.
I agree, even with the accepted known Egyptian technology It seems near impossible...
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makaveli8x8 said: the thing about those gold airplanes is that they mostly all have tail wings, birds only have a tail, not tail "wings". Some of them look a lot like birds, others sort of like bugs. the 2 in the middle almost look like they are fakes tho thrown in and hoping nobody questioned if they were authentic

thing is the head on all of them resemble animals, so that throws everything into question. if they were advanced enough to make planes, and these were copys of them, why have animal heads?
it would make sense if they were recreating something they saw that they didn't make, or it was a toy and given animals heads for kids I guess, but why would kids need gold toys. have they found any other gold toys at all?
They are not toys, I'm guessing they discovered this knowledge about aerodynamics, and to preserve the information cast it in gold, like a scale guide, if your building a plane do it to these EXACT specifications and it will fly, they were preservation of the information, maybe even scale models used to aide construction...
the plane dead center in that photograph has front propellers and a tail stablizer...you can wind up a propeller, just like the rubber band cardboard air-plane toys, but builds to human scale, perhaps they would launch off of a cliff, then release the rope winding the propeller, they would achieve flight beyond gliding with the tension powered front propeller, but they would need a cliff to launch from...
I think the gold representations were meant to be used the exact way they were used in the modern test, you build it by the exact specifications and measurements as the gold model, only scaled up. www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHCwL6-L1kk So just like the test described in the link above, you build it by the exact dimensions as the gold model, only you scale it up, it could have been a guide for ancient plane builders...
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What the Egyptians did was amazing, but gobekli tepe should have been impossible...
why was it supposed to be impossible? the pictures im looking at look super primitive and they didn't even cut their stone straight
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Well, we frankly don't have a clue how they did it exactly, e.g. achieving the high accuracy in alignment. It would be very interesting to witness them at work if just for a day, to see how they managed the workforce, how different specialists would have been active in different places of the building site, what instruments they used, etc. Fact is that very little information or artifacts have been passed down or dug up that say anything about how they constructed their monuments. Which is a pity really; it seems they really found the purpose (i.e. religious, social) far more important than the method.
I think this illustrates the usefulness of documenting accurately and in a long-term stable way how our present-day technology works. Even technology as recent as a few decades ago sometimes is almost a mystery to today - case in point are the tape recorders used to record the imagery of the initial exploration of the surface of the moon. The documentation of this equipment was lost by NASA, quite nearly making the resulting and unique images inaccessible to mankind. This just goes to show how quickly our collective memory can fade.
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Re: unexplained ancient artifacts [Re: koraks]
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when I look at this picture I see something that might be hard work and time consuming but it doesn't look anything nearly as impressive as the pyrimids. it just looks like heavy shit and lots of hammer chisel work. none of the cuts are straight. they prolly didn't even cut those top edges
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Coin, all I asked was a paragraph explaining what it was, kind of like what pris did. I did not ask for a detailed explanation of each one. I don't like clicking links or watching u tube videos that often turn out to be long. I want to see at a glance if its something I'm interested in.
mac, many cultures put human carvings at the front of their ships. Some used animal figures, from that we get the expression 'figure head' or someone who does nothing but stands out in front.
Why couldn't hard stone like flint or granite be used to carve softer stone? I would not discount the possibility of aliens having landed in the past, or in recent times, lol. Lots of eye witnesses and sober people who swear to it.
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