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Cosmic Neuron
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Correct Me, If I'm Wrong (fruiting chamber)
#22195656 - 09/06/15 03:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Greetings, mycologists, cultivators and others.
I'm kind of stressing out because I have to buy supplies to make a fruiting chamber, so I wanted to share what I know, in hopes that someone with actual experience would correct me.
Okay, basically, I need to get a tub, right? Then make a couple holes in all 6 sides (how many holes?), fill it up with about 2-4 inches of damp perlite and maybe rub the tub with alcohol but I'm not too worried about being sterile at this point as the mycelium would've fully colonised the cake, and I hear that makes it quite resistant to contaminations.
All input is extremely appreciated.
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Re: Correct Me, If I'm Wrong (fruiting chamber) [Re: Cosmic Neuron]
#22195683 - 09/06/15 03:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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1/4 inch holes spaced 2 inches apart in a grid pattern on all sides including the bottom (which should be raised above the surface it's placed on so air can pass through the holes in the bottom and up through the damp perlite thus humidifying the FC)
SGFCs work properly based on air currents that are already in the room so it's best not to place them in closets or other similar sized areas.
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Re: Correct Me, If I'm Wrong (fruiting chamber) [Re: mushmagic]
#22195695 - 09/06/15 04:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Monotubs are easier IME.
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Re: Correct Me, If I'm Wrong (fruiting chamber) [Re: mushmagic]
#22195707 - 09/06/15 04:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can I place it in open space for a couple hours a day?
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Re: Correct Me, If I'm Wrong (fruiting chamber) [Re: Psilosopherr]
#22195719 - 09/06/15 04:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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rbalzer said: Monotubs are easier IME.
It seems to me that using the SGFC when you have the monotub option is not necessary, but a very important step in the learning process. I have my SGFC waiting for some cakes to colonize, although I don't think this strain would benefit from the chamber... I will certainly do cakes at one point, but I'm not sure that I want the ones I have to go there.
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Re: Correct Me, If I'm Wrong (fruiting chamber) [Re: Cosmic Neuron]
#22196028 - 09/06/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cosmic Neuron said: Can I place it in open space for a couple hours a day?
Open space 100% of the time is fine. Like mushmagic said before, SGFC's work with the air currents that circulate in your room. So open space in your room would be ideal. A closet or tucked away place is less desirable because the lack of air circulation in those confined spaces. Make sure you elevate your tub a couple inches as well, maybe with a few jars lid or 1/2 pint jars. This part is key.
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rbalzer said: Monotubs are easier IME.
It seems to me that using the SGFC when you have the monotub option is not necessary, but a very important step in the learning process. I have my SGFC waiting for some cakes to colonize, although I don't think this strain would benefit from the chamber... I will certainly do cakes at one point, but I'm not sure that I want the ones I have to go there.
thats nonsense. "strains" don't care what kind of fruiting chamber they are in - and at that a SGFC will grow just as healthy mushrooms as a monotub!
the growing method determines the fruiting chamber, not the genetics.
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Re: Correct Me, If I'm Wrong (fruiting chamber) [Re: Munchauzen]
#22196191 - 09/06/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would suggest 5 or 6 inches of perlite.
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Re: Correct Me, If I'm Wrong (fruiting chamber) [Re: Munchauzen]
#22196472 - 09/06/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh, so pans grow well on BRF cakes without any h/poo substrate? I seriously didn't know that.
What about yield? Is it also a factor or also nonsense? (BTW, I am really asking. If I wrote nonsense I want to be called on it).
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Edited by Count of Sabugosa (09/06/15 10:14 AM)
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royque1980 said: Oh, so pans grow well on BRF cakes without any h/poo substrate? I seriously didn't know that.
How did you get that from anything said in this thread?
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Re: Correct Me, If I'm Wrong (fruiting chamber) [Re: Munchauzen]
#22196524 - 09/06/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said:
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rbalzer said: Monotubs are easier IME.
It seems to me that using the SGFC when you have the monotub option is not necessary, but a very important step in the learning process. I have my SGFC waiting for some cakes to colonize, although I don't think this strain would benefit from the chamber... I will certainly do cakes at one point, but I'm not sure that I want the ones I have to go there.
thats nonsense. "strains" don't care what kind of fruiting chamber they are in - and at that a SGFC will grow just as healthy mushrooms as a monotub!
the growing method determines the fruiting chamber, not the genetics.
So, as you can easily see, I thought that the fc was not good for certain strains and was told it was nonsense. Did you read the whole thread?
Also, my response was related to someone saying that tubs are better than SGFC in his/her opinion, and this where my "nonsense" was. So, I did ask about a different strain than cubensis (which I thought would benefit more from a manure-based substrate rather than only verm and perlite for good air and humidity. So... Anyway, sorry if I disrupted the thread.
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Edited by Count of Sabugosa (09/06/15 10:26 AM)
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Re: Correct Me, If I'm Wrong (fruiting chamber) [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22196561 - 09/06/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think royque1980 is confusing strains and species, Strains are different (often very slightly different) forms of the same species (cubensis being the one with the most strains) and require much the same growing methods while different species (pans, mexicana and others) require different cultivation methods. Basically what works for one cube works for other cubes as the saying goes "a cube is a cube" and this is what i assume Munchauzen meant when putting the term "strain" in quotes.
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royque1980 said:
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rbalzer said: Monotubs are easier IME.
It seems to me that using the SGFC when you have the monotub option is not necessary, but a very important step in the learning process. I have my SGFC waiting for some cakes to colonize, although I don't think this strain would benefit from the chamber... I will certainly do cakes at one point, but I'm not sure that I want the ones I have to go there.
thats nonsense. "strains" don't care what kind of fruiting chamber they are in - and at that a SGFC will grow just as healthy mushrooms as a monotub!
the growing method determines the fruiting chamber, not the genetics.
So, as you can easily see, I thought that the fc was not good for certain strains and was told it was nonsense. Did you read the whole thread?
Also, my response was related to someone saying that tubs are better than SGFC in his/her opinion, and this where my "nonsense" was. So, I did ask about a different strain than cubensis. So... Anyway, sorry if I disrupted the thread.
you are misusing the term strain. this has caused confusion. pan cyans are a seperate species. people generally use the terms "strains/varities" when referring to different kinds of cubensis mushrooms.
I don't know anything about pan cyans on pf cakes. Never grown them, so I will not try to give advice on growing that species.
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Re: Correct Me, If I'm Wrong (fruiting chamber) [Re: slartibartfast]
#22196566 - 09/06/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Now I understand! Thanks! So no, not a different strain, but a different species. Now, does it make more sense not to want to use SGFC if one was to grow pans? (OK, just read your answer, scratch that.)
Pardon my noobity lol one more gaffe in the trail toward knowledge.
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Edited by Count of Sabugosa (09/06/15 10:29 AM)
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royque1980 said: Now I understand! Thanks! So no, not a different strain, but a different species. Now, does it make more sense not to want to use SGFC if one was to grow pans? (OK, just read your answer, scratch that.)
Pardon my noobity lol one more gaffe in the trail toward knowledge.
I mean... the most I can really say is that you would probably do some sort of tray. At least all the pan grows I have seen are trays. However, there is no reason not to fruit a tray in a shotgun fruiting chamber.
Monotubs are best for doing those big bulk grows you see, as well as housing a bunch of individual quart jarts, known as the bottle tek. A monotub is usually chosen when you want to grow a large quantity of fruits. It is also set and forget, with no maintenane, so its a very hands off method. For people who have large grows, this is very ideal.
Shotgun fruiting chambers are best for cakes, but can also fruit trays, bottles, basically anything you can fit inside it! It will still grow plenty of mushrooms, but generally is higher maintenance than a monotub.
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Re: Correct Me, If I'm Wrong (fruiting chamber) [Re: Munchauzen]
#22196613 - 09/06/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you kindly for the help and information! Reiterate apologies for the confusion. More reading on mushrooms in general required.
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also, if you don't have enough stuff to fill a monotub, like jars or trays, then it won't work very well. monos need a certain capacity before they become efficient. and that will generally be around completely full.
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So, as you can easily see, I thought that the fc was not good for certain strains and was told it was nonsense. Did you read the whole thread?
Also, my response was related to someone saying that tubs are better than SGFC in his/her opinion, and this where my "nonsense" was. So, I did ask about a different strain than cubensis (which I thought would benefit more from a manure-based substrate rather than only verm and perlite for good air and humidity. So... Anyway, sorry if I disrupted the thread.
Its not that the FC isn't good for certain species of mushroom. FC is good for just about any mush. I think your question should focus more on the substrate. Its not gonna be if a SGFC can fruit pans, because yes of course they do. Its more of a can the pans colonize BRF and be fruited, or do they need to be crumbled and spawned to a Hpoo sub. Which I don't know, I've never grown pans. From my understanding you dont grow pans on BRF, I guess it also depends which kind of pans you're talking about. But
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royque1980 said:
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rbalzer said: Monotubs are easier IME.
It seems to me that using the SGFC when you have the monotub option is not necessary, but a very important step in the learning process. I have my SGFC waiting for some cakes to colonize, although I don't think this strain would benefit from the chamber... I will certainly do cakes at one point, but I'm not sure that I want the ones I have to go there.
now that royque is done thoroughly jacking the thread I'll get back to the OP 
Agree with you here. My SGFC just sits there unless my mono's are all filled up.
Yes you can get the same results with both FC's. Monotubs are simply easier. Set and forget > constant fanning/worrying about the balance between FAE and humidity
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Re: Correct Me, If I'm Wrong (fruiting chamber) [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22197067 - 09/06/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think it was spacechild who said that certain ("strains? of" Which would be correct in the case of non-woodlover pans?) pans can be grown on cakes and then mixed in trays/monotub.
Anyway, so, basic SGFC tek with trays (for cubensis) hu...? Will read s'more.
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Edited by Count of Sabugosa (09/06/15 12:41 PM)
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