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spaintr
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Suggestion for Farm Construction
#22194436 - 09/05/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've started construction on a small scale farm for oyster and shitake. I figured I would go ahead and post here and maybe I could get some good ideas and inspiration short of searching threads for more hours (which I've already done).
I framed out my fruiting room today for a 14x10x8 insulated room on the interior of an old farm house.
Where I could use some guidance:
I went ahead and framed to the same size door as the room originally had so that I have some options but, what the heck do you use for a door so that I am one, not leaking water at the frame and two, not sweating at the door frame from the difference in temperature and humidity at that barrier.
The last thing I want is a slow water accumulation at the door frame and rotting out the floor of my house.
Anyone own one of these? https://www.filtersfast.com/Trion-Herrmidifier-707U-Filter.asp?kpid=356686-001&fsrc=G1F5F&gclid=CPzss5ao4ccCFdCRHwodys4B1g&kpid=356686-001
I know its overkill for this size room but I have the money and wouldn't mind getting something that can go with me if I outgrow this space. And by the time you buy a 5 disc fogger and have to replace it once or twice you're about breaking even with the price of this model.
I would probably just put this on the timer I built versus a humidistat since from what I've heard they don't handle the spore load well.
I had been researching different methods for humidity and I know its not super important once you get a room full of substate, however I need to decide what I'm doing now so that I can run the water line and electrical for a unit if need be before I put insulation in tomorrow.
Pictures tomorrow as its dark as shit since I took the lighting fixture down!
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22194667 - 09/05/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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yes that model should serve you well. I'd buy two just in case it's not enough or one breaks down.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: drake89]
#22197087 - 09/06/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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8 hours later!
Everything is framed out, electrical ran for lighting, ventilation and 220 for HVAC.

It was kind of difficult finding a decent drain so I settled on a yard drain and installed it with a water trap and into a drain barrel that will be filled in with gravel.


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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22203345 - 09/07/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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what panels are you going to use over the frame ? I am planning similar works
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: popok]
#22203897 - 09/07/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You know I have been doing lots of searching on craigslist and building supply to figure out what is the cheapest option and I've decided on 1/4" or 3/8" OSB plywood for a support layer. I've got a large enough piece of linoleum to cover the entire floor that I will glue down and have running up the wall a small amount.
I found a massive roll of 4' wide vinyl for $20 at a salvage yard that should be more that enough to cover the entire room. Im planning on just using vinyl glue and wrapping the whole room in it horizontally and overlapping each consecutive layer by a few inches.
That should be more that moisture proof but I may go over the seams with some flashing tape and some spray on bedliner.
Edited by spaintr (09/07/15 07:02 PM)
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22203971 - 09/07/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought that wood should be avoided for grow rooms, is vynil wrapping sufficient to keep moisture away from the boards and frame ?
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: popok]
#22204224 - 09/07/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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so looking at your picture...is this in a primary residence? do you have insurance? because if you care at all about this building I have a feeling you are going to mold and rot it out within a few years. even if you insulate in between those studs you'll get condensate on your drywall. no bueno...
and I don't think your insurance covers 'mushroom farm' in your living room haha
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: drake89]
#22206100 - 09/08/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well it's definitely not a primary residence. It's an old farmhouse from the 20's that no one lives in and already had quite a bit of termite and water damage as it is. I never thought about condensate on the walls outside of the room.
So that would be formed solely by the temperature difference from the room to the gap in the wall? The vinyl is most definitely water proof and if I'm careful to have everything glued and all of my seams water proof as well I don't see how moisture could ever reach the wooden studs.
Maybe I could spray down my studs and the Sheetrock with a layer of Killz before I put the insulation in? I feel very confident that I can build this room with no leaks. Except for the door. Still wondering about that one.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22206147 - 09/08/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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spaintr said: Well it's definitely not a primary residence. It's an old farmhouse from the 20's that no one lives in and already had quite a bit of termite and water damage as it is. I never thought about condensate on the walls outside of the room.
So that would be formed solely by the temperature difference from the room to the gap in the wall?
M
-T
yeah the temp difference will cause condensate. that's why you can't use batt insulation in a walk-in cooler. you must use foam. that would be pretty expensive and if this building is already damaged, maybe you don't need to worry that much.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: drake89]
#22206548 - 09/08/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hopefully there is not too much of a temperature difference that would cause a significant amount of condensate. Would most likely have to worry during summer I would assume. The house with no ac sits a little bit below 83 so that shouldn't matter much. The condensate would form on the Sheetrock behind it or on my studs and insulation?
Any reason why I can't take something like this and spray down the walls right quick before I install the insulation. My logic would be that if there is a little condensate then at least it won't oenetrTw too quickly and may evaporate. http://m.lowes.com/pd/UGL-Drylok-Extreme-Masonry-White-Waterproofer/3073099 Wouldn't take me more than an hour to put on with my sprayer.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22239304 - 09/15/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hello-
To answer you question about your doors. You should put in a metal door threshold and caulk the heck out of it when you install it. Caulk on the bottom and sides. Do not forget to make the door and threshold completely air tight to keep those mushroom flies out.
Just a quick question. How are you going to keep the oyster mushroom spores from landing on your wood floor and then after a few years eating it for food? Just something to think about?
I wish you the best crops ever and much of luck!!
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: primrose]
#22239502 - 09/15/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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In order to avoid condensation and mould you need to install vapour barrier. It helps if each layer of wall from in to out is more conductive for vapour. That is why foam works great for inside insulation. You may study passive building construction. As you cannot change construction of walls, your best bet is aluminium vapor barrier and ample use of self adhesive tape to seal barrier joints. Google "recuperation passive buildings" to get ideas.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: primrose]
#22239838 - 09/15/15 06:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I will have a single piece of linoleum flooring that will cover the entire floor and run a few inches up the walls. From there I plan on overlapping vinyl pieces horizontally from the bottom to the top of the room.
I think I'm just going to have to not worry about the condensation and see how things last. This house doesn't have too many years left and if I can grow here for a couple years to get the logistics down I can easily buildi a dedicated building with foam insulation and vapor barriers and what not.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22515298 - 11/12/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moving right along! Got some wall boards placed! Next up is the all of the vinyl covering!
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22515503 - 11/12/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looks good. For the vinyl you want to overlap the pieces a couple inches or so then cut with a sharp utility blade & seal the seams with a vinyl seam sealer. I spent waaaay to much of my life installing all kinds of flooring and water proofing barriers. You can look in to Schluter products for vapor barrier/water proofing too. http://www.schluter.com/8_1_kerdi.aspx It's easy to install and works great.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: dreadhed]
#22515529 - 11/12/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can also use 3M adhesive spray and duct or gorilla tape, it will never peel off. Give the spray tack a few seconds to tack up before applying the tape. My father taught me this from working hazardous remediation when he would make containment barriers.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: dreadhed]
#22515537 - 11/12/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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are you going to use used billboards? they are super cheap on craigslist.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: Gr0wer]
#22515640 - 11/12/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said: You can also use 3M adhesive spray and duct or gorilla tape, it will never peel off. Give the spray tack a few seconds to tack up before applying the tape. My father taught me this from working hazardous remediation when he would make containment barriers.
For vinyl flooring?
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: drake89]
#22515664 - 11/12/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Awesome thanks for all of the ideas yall. I've got a 4ft wide roll of brand new vinyl for $20 tha will easily do all of the walls and ceiling. I got some construction adhesive to put the vinyl onto the walls and if that doesn't work then I'm using 3M.
I was planning on overlapping a few inches but I need to look into the vinyl seam sealer. What exactly is that? I also have some of that metallic HVAC tape that is pretty bomb proof that I was considering using on the seams. What do yall think about that? Maybe use the 3M spray on the seam before the tape?
I'm thinking a good layer of paint on the OSB before I glue I the vinyl can't hurt right? Or am I just wasting my time?
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22515785 - 11/12/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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well painting is time consuming especially if this is a project with a limited life span
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: drake89]
#22515981 - 11/12/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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you should have looked for 10' width then you can make the wall one solid section. I purchased my 6 mil panda film in a 10'x100' roll for like $75.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: Gr0wer]
#22516828 - 11/13/15 05:41 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You're right that would have worked well. If I would have known about the panda film I probably would have gotten that but at least I know that the material I have is very durable.
The reason I considered painting was because I have access to paint already. And I have rollers and whatnot so it wouldn't cost me anything other than an hour or two of my time.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22516846 - 11/13/15 05:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is the idea I was working with for air distribution. I have plexiglass to make this box out of and a 200 cam fan. I'll mount this box in the small gap seen in the picture and this should mix my inside air with outside so I'm not murdering my RH by running a fan constantly. I'll make a collar where the fan is and connect poly tubing to it as an air duct across the length of the room.
Then im trying to decide whether or not I should try to duct my humidifier into the air duct or just have it wall mounted. I've heard sometimes you can have issues of the bags closest to the humidifier being to wet and bags furthest away being too dry.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22516989 - 11/13/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You shouldn't need a fancy intake box like that. Just have your intake duct with the humidifier and a humidistat nearby the humidifier, that should reduce RH swings and cycle your humidifier faster.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22517299 - 11/13/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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spaintr said: Awesome thanks for all of the ideas yall. I've got a 4ft wide roll of brand new vinyl for $20 tha will easily do all of the walls and ceiling. I got some construction adhesive to put the vinyl onto the walls and if that doesn't work then I'm using 3M.
I was planning on overlapping a few inches but I need to look into the vinyl seam sealer. What exactly is that? I also have some of that metallic HVAC tape that is pretty bomb proof that I was considering using on the seams. What do yall think about that? Maybe use the 3M spray on the seam before the tape?
I'm thinking a good layer of paint on the OSB before I glue I the vinyl can't hurt right? Or am I just wasting my time?
-T
They sell vinyl seam sealer at flooring supply places and pry hardware stores too. It's pretty easy to use it comes with a applicator bottle. I'd use a vinyl glue to put it down. If you don't want to glue it all you could just glue the seams & perimeter but it will have a lot of bubbles in the vinyl.
I wouldn't bother painting.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: dreadhed]
#22518100 - 11/13/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ill post a picture of the glue that I am planning on using. Only reason I would like to use it is because I got 5 gallons for free. I was also planning on gluing the entire surface of the vinyl.
Ill take your advice on the paint. I could spend my time elsewhere.
I think I will still make the D box with the two intakes but because it wont take me any longer to build it that way and the added efficiency of not pumping in 100% dry frigid air during the winter months will be a benefit.
I built a cycle timer to use with the humidifier instead of the humidistat. From everything I have read people start to burn through those humidstats when fruiting oysters because of the spore load and it can't be too hard to dial the humidity in using the timer.
Ill mount the humidifier right next to the D box and just have it running into the duct past the fan so that I'm not soaking it everytime, yet it should be distributed pretty evenly throughout the room. the unit is made to be mounted right to the ductwork of a residential HVAC system so I would hope it would work well in this application.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22523361 - 11/14/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've found timers to be ineffective especially here in the desert where RH goes from 80 to 5%. I've found the WH8040 to be super effective once calibrated. You will need to seal up the sensor plug end with silicone to prevent corrosion other than that its great for RH around 70-85. Above 90-95 RH i've seen the sensor bug out but oysters never want that much humidity. The sensor cant get wet so place it up high and out of the way where you won't mist or spray it, in my martha i placed it inside a PVC T to keep it from getting dripped on. Then again if your using that 707 atomizer you might just give the factory humidistat a try, im sure it will hold up if its rated for up to 80%. You only need 70-75% anyways.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: Gr0wer]
#22523736 - 11/14/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I should also mention http://hydrofogger.com/ these are designed for use in the agricultural/mycology industry. Much better suited than a house humidifier hacked into a grow. Also if money isn't an issue a Heat Recovery Ventilator (HRV) unit would be a good idea for heat/cooling saving.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=heat%20recovery%20ventilator
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: Gr0wer]
#22581046 - 11/27/15 06:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: moricz]
#22678797 - 12/20/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Made my air distributer from some plexi. Got a good seal through to the outside. Im going to make a collar to go around the fan so that I can just zip tie a length of poly tubing on to use as an air duct along the ceiling for the length of the room.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22678858 - 12/20/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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How many CFM is that fan? And how many logs do you plan on placing into the room? I like the poly tube air ducting
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: Gr0wer]
#22679585 - 12/20/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Correct me if my train of thought is wrong. My room is 10'x14'x8' = 1120 cu. ft The fan is 212 cfm therefore 1120 cu. ft / 212cfm = 5.28 min 60min / 5.28min = 11.36 total air exchanges per hour theoretically That should be fine for oysters for me to run constantly right? I liked the fan because I got it for free and it is not very loud or large for how much air it displaces.
Im planning on doing one 14ft long 6ft tall stainless rack for one wall ( the restaurant style quad racks)
a 10' one along the wall with the door
a 10' in the middle of the room.
That way I can just fruit laying on shelves which will give me the option of using bags or sawdust blocks.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22679663 - 12/20/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sounds like it may be good enough depending on how well you pack it with substrate. THe shiitakes should be fine with that much FAE. In my experience hanging logs is better then laying them down for the following reasons,
- No racks to clean - No hidden fruits on the back sides of logs, a quick spin shows all - Cheaper startup cost, no racks to buy just some rope and some old galvanized pole or hooks to hang from - Better utilization of space, you can scoot logs closer together and leave space for the fruiting logs. Just never move logs with mature fruits, typically ill harvest then adjust then give more space 1-2 weeks later when pins form.
You will more then likely be fruiting a few rounds of oysters in there before any shiitake bags are browned enough to be fruited. It might be a better plan on your startup cost to hang oysters first then after making some sales 2-3 months later when the shiitakes are finally ready to fruit then buy shelves and fruit shiitakes on shelves.
Also those prefab racks have a lot of nooks and crannies to clean. You may want to look into DIY shelving using wood planks as uprights and 1" conduit as the shelving. This leaves you with 2-4 tubes to wipe down and sanitize instead of an intricate web of metal shelving wire with nooks and crannies. Also a lot of those shelvings are chrome steel, and rust over time. Galvanized steel typically holds up extremely well especially if your not cutting or damaging the treated surface. Plastic shelves won't rust but have even more nooks and crannies.
Edited by Gr0wer (12/20/15 01:42 PM)
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: Gr0wer]
#22680674 - 12/20/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well I have a few thousand plastic bags already that are about 20" tall by 10-12" wide, can't quite remember the exact measurements off the top of my head, but I was reasoning that I could just stack those on the shelves and get lots of bags in a small area.
However, your idea of the standing racks would work just as well. Then I could invest no money, I already have the conduit and boards for that style on hand, and could just have one shelf for shitake and kings.
Just redrew my diagram for sterilizer. Already have all of the parts just waiting for some time to throw it all together. Plan is to find a good cycle that will allow me to sterilize sawdust blocks as well as large bags of grains.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22680782 - 12/20/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think this is what i'm going to settle on for adhering the vinyl to the plywood in the room. http://www.lowes.com/pd_142569-68-00272___?productId=3819177&pl=1&Ntt=construction+adhesive
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22680810 - 12/20/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is it poly or vinyl? If its a roll of poly i wouldn't glue it, just tape and staple it so you can tear it down and replace as needed.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: Gr0wer]
#22680817 - 12/20/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its fiber reinforced vinyl. So it has the fibers running vertically and horizontally inside of it every 2mm or so.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22681100 - 12/20/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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spaintr said: I think this is what i'm going to settle on for adhering the vinyl to the plywood in the room. http://www.lowes.com/pd_142569-68-00272___?productId=3819177&pl=1&Ntt=construction+adhesive
That's not what you want. You want a carpet/vinyl glue. http://www.lowes.com/pd_4621-70680-7130885021___?productId=4764741&pl=1&Ntt=vinyl+adhesive is more along the lines of what you'd use for vinyl w/ a fine notched trowel. If you gonna have seams use some sealer on them too or they will come apart.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: dreadhed]
#22681128 - 12/20/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have like 20 gallons of pressure sensitive adhesive just laying around. I thought that would not make a permanent seal. Once I glue this stuff on I do not want it coming off, so I figured the contact cement or construction adhesive would be the best. Most of the vinyl glues I was looking at are meant to be used on felt backed vinyl and carpet, not smooth sheets of vinyl and are not meant to be in high moisture environments.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22681245 - 12/20/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fiberglass-backed and rock-backed floors go down with a releasable pressure sensitive adhesive or no adhesive at all. If a permanent, non-releasable bond is desired, place carpet, pad or sheet vinyl into adhesive while it is still wet (before the color change).
Im not sure about the high humidity affecting the adhesive but I wouldn't think so. I think it would effect the wood floors before the adhesive.
http://www.armstrong.com/pdbupimages/191376.pdf ^^Here is some info from Armstrong about fiberglass reinforced vinyl. Hope it helps.
Edited by dreadhed (12/20/15 08:35 PM)
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spaintr
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: dreadhed]
#22770030 - 01/12/16 12:42 PM (8 years, 19 days ago) |
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Went with the pressure sensitive glue. got one one layer up and its looking good. I decided to knock out a little plate incubator while it was drying.

Got the thermostat and heater wired just need to install and see how it goes.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22772539 - 01/12/16 10:29 PM (8 years, 18 days ago) |
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plates like agar plates? I would say use that for spawn. Id hope you only have a few plates otherwise your going to waste a lot of time dicking with agar. A grow your size should only have a handful of strains or shit gets complicated.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: Gr0wer]
#22773315 - 01/13/16 05:26 AM (8 years, 18 days ago) |
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Yeah this will be for plates. I worked in a microbiology lab for a long time so I enjoy playing with this stuff in my free time. It's more than enough room for plates I wanted something I could throw a whole culture flask in as well for culturing yeast.
I already have a whole room that is larger than my fruiting room mapped out for spawn and logs to colonize.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22773557 - 01/13/16 07:22 AM (8 years, 18 days ago) |
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You brew too? Ive been brewing for 6 years.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: Gr0wer]
#22773629 - 01/13/16 07:49 AM (8 years, 18 days ago) |
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Yeah man for sure. I've only been brewing for 2 but have been making wine for 10+ years. My father in law just built a fully automated brewing system for dialing in 10 gal batches so I'm going to try and get and get a good protocol together for making fresh yeast liquid cultures the day before we pitch. So instead of doing a giant 2-L starter. I'll pull one colony from a plate, grow to stationary phase in a culture flask and hopefully find a cheap centrifuge somewhere. But either way pitching that culture flask of fresh young small yeast cells will decrease the unwanted bi products like diacetyl that show up when using older yeast cultures or when you're pushing them too hard.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
#22774319 - 01/13/16 12:16 PM (8 years, 18 days ago) |
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look into freezing cultures. I believe they suspend the yeast master in a water/PG blend to lower the freezing point. That or just wash it really well with distilled water for your master and store in the fridge. I don't bother with storing yeast masters, at $7 a vial it's not that bad to go buy. If im not making a starter ill use a vial first for a 5 gal low-medium OG batch then save the cake and pitch onto that, or wash with PC'd RO water and store in my kegerator in a 1/2 gal jar for a few weeks.
I find the most important factor for the yeasts impact on the brew is fermentation temp. I have a chest freezer for fermenting in and i strap the stc-100 probe to the fermentation vessels outside then tape a kitchen pot holder over the probe to insulate it to only read the vessels temp. Much cheaper and just as effective as a thermowell.
Nuff off topic sorry
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: Gr0wer]
#22780384 - 01/14/16 09:58 PM (8 years, 16 days ago) |
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: tryptkaloids]
#22780399 - 01/14/16 10:01 PM (8 years, 16 days ago) |
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Call me crazy but don't go keeping your yeast with your mushroom plates.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: drake89]
#22780665 - 01/14/16 11:21 PM (8 years, 16 days ago) |
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Yup.. your crazy, neither are ever airborne. Unless you have old ass dishes laying around that are fruiting, either way everything is self contained to a degree.
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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: Gr0wer]
#22997016 - 03/11/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Been doing work! Getting closer. I put together my first shelf this afternoon. AC/ heat installed, all seams are taped with flashing tape.
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