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Suggestion for Farm Construction
    #22194436 - 09/05/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've started construction on a small scale farm for oyster and shitake.
I figured I would go ahead and post here and maybe I could get some good ideas and inspiration short of searching threads for more hours (which I've already done).

I framed out my fruiting room today for a 14x10x8 insulated room on the interior of an old farm house.

Where I could use some guidance:

I went ahead and framed to the same size door as the room originally had so that I have some options but, what the heck do you use for a door so that I am one, not leaking water at the frame and two, not sweating at the door frame from the difference in temperature and humidity at that barrier.

The last thing I want is a slow water accumulation at the door frame and rotting out the floor of my house.

Anyone own one of these?
https://www.filtersfast.com/Trion-Herrmidifier-707U-Filter.asp?kpid=356686-001&fsrc=G1F5F&gclid=CPzss5ao4ccCFdCRHwodys4B1g&kpid=356686-001

I know its overkill for this size room but I have the money and wouldn't mind getting something that can go with me if I outgrow this space. And by the time you buy a 5 disc fogger and have to replace it once or twice you're about breaking even with the price of this model.

I would probably just put this on the timer I built versus a humidistat since from what I've heard they don't handle the spore load well.

I had been researching different methods for humidity and I know its not super important once you get a room full of substate, however I need to decide what I'm doing now so that I can run the water line and electrical for a unit if need be before I put insulation in tomorrow.

Pictures tomorrow as its dark as shit since I took the lighting fixture down!

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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
    #22194667 - 09/05/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yes that model should serve you well.  I'd buy two just in case it's not enough or one breaks down.


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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: drake89]
    #22197087 - 09/06/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

8 hours later!

Everything is framed out, electrical ran for lighting, ventilation and 220 for HVAC.


It was kind of difficult finding a decent drain so I settled on a yard drain and installed it with a water trap and into a drain barrel that will be filled in with gravel.







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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
    #22203345 - 09/07/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

what panels are you going to use over the frame ? I am planning similar works


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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: popok]
    #22203897 - 09/07/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You know I have been doing lots of searching on craigslist and building supply to figure out what is the cheapest option and I've decided on  1/4" or 3/8" OSB plywood for a support layer. I've got a large enough piece of linoleum to cover the entire floor that I will glue down and have running up the wall a small amount.

I found a massive roll of 4' wide vinyl for $20 at a salvage yard that should be more that enough to cover the entire room. Im planning on just using vinyl glue and wrapping the whole room in it horizontally and overlapping each consecutive layer by a few inches.

That should be more that moisture proof but I may go over the seams with some flashing tape and some spray on bedliner.


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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
    #22203971 - 09/07/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I thought that wood should be avoided for grow rooms, is vynil wrapping sufficient to keep moisture away from the boards and frame ?


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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: popok]
    #22204224 - 09/07/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

so looking at your picture...is this in a primary residence?  do you have insurance?  because if you care at all about this building I have a feeling you are going to mold and rot it out within a few years.  even if you insulate in between those studs you'll get condensate on your drywall.  no bueno...

and I don't think your insurance covers 'mushroom farm' in your living room haha


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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: drake89]
    #22206100 - 09/08/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well it's definitely not a primary residence. It's an old farmhouse from the 20's that no one lives in and already had quite a bit of termite and water damage as it is. I never thought about condensate on the walls outside of the room.

So that would be formed solely by the temperature difference from the room to the gap in the wall?
The vinyl is most definitely water proof and if I'm careful to have everything glued and all of my seams water proof as well I don't see how moisture could ever reach the wooden studs.

Maybe I could spray down my studs and the Sheetrock with a layer of Killz before I put the insulation in? I feel very confident that I can build this room with no leaks. Except for the door. Still wondering about that one.

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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
    #22206147 - 09/08/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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spaintr said:
Well it's definitely not a primary residence. It's an old farmhouse from the 20's that no one lives in and already had quite a bit of termite and water damage as it is. I never thought about condensate on the walls outside of the room.

So that would be formed solely by the temperature difference from the room to the gap in the wall?


M

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yeah the temp difference will cause condensate.  that's why you can't use batt insulation in a walk-in cooler.  you must use foam.  that would be pretty expensive and if this building is already damaged, maybe you don't need to worry that much.


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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: drake89]
    #22206548 - 09/08/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hopefully there is not too much of a temperature difference that would cause a significant amount of condensate. Would most likely have to worry during summer I would assume. The house with no ac sits a little bit below 83 so that shouldn't matter much. The condensate would form on the Sheetrock behind it or on my studs and insulation?

Any reason why I can't take something like this and spray down the walls right quick before I install the insulation. My logic would be that if there is a little condensate then at least it won't oenetrTw too quickly and may evaporate.
http://m.lowes.com/pd/UGL-Drylok-Extreme-Masonry-White-Waterproofer/3073099
Wouldn't take me more than an hour to put on with my sprayer.

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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
    #22239304 - 09/15/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hello-

To answer you question about your doors.  You should put in a metal door threshold and caulk the heck out of it when you install it.  Caulk on the bottom and sides.  Do not forget to make the door and threshold completely air tight to keep those mushroom flies out.

Just a quick question.  How are you going to keep the oyster mushroom spores from landing on your wood floor and then after a few years eating it for food? Just something to think about?

I wish you the best crops ever and much of luck!!


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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: primrose]
    #22239502 - 09/15/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

In order to avoid condensation and mould you need to install vapour barrier. It helps if each layer of wall from in to out is more conductive for vapour. That is why foam works great for inside insulation. You may study passive building construction. As you cannot change construction of walls, your best bet is aluminium vapor barrier and ample use of self adhesive tape to seal barrier joints. Google "recuperation passive buildings" to get ideas.


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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: primrose]
    #22239838 - 09/15/15 06:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I will have a single piece of linoleum flooring that will cover the entire floor and run a few inches up the walls. From there I plan on overlapping vinyl pieces horizontally from the bottom to the top of the room.

I think I'm just going to have to not worry about the condensation and see how things last. This house doesn't have too many years left and if I can grow here for a couple years to get the logistics down I can easily buildi a dedicated building with foam insulation and vapor barriers and what not.


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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
    #22515298 - 11/12/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)



Moving right along! Got some wall boards placed! Next up is the all of the vinyl covering!


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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
    #22515503 - 11/12/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Looks good. For the vinyl you want to overlap the pieces a couple inches or so then cut with a sharp utility blade & seal the seams with a vinyl seam sealer. I spent waaaay to much of my life installing all kinds of flooring and water proofing barriers. You can look in to Schluter products for vapor barrier/water proofing too. http://www.schluter.com/8_1_kerdi.aspx It's easy to install and works great.


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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: dreadhed]
    #22515529 - 11/12/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You can also use 3M adhesive spray and duct or gorilla tape, it will never peel off. Give the spray tack a few seconds to tack up before applying the tape. My father taught me this from working hazardous remediation when he would make containment barriers.


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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: dreadhed]
    #22515537 - 11/12/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

are you going to use used billboards?  they are super cheap on craigslist.


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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22515640 - 11/12/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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You can also use 3M adhesive spray and duct or gorilla tape, it will never peel off. Give the spray tack a few seconds to tack up before applying the tape. My father taught me this from working hazardous remediation when he would make containment barriers.



For vinyl flooring?


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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: drake89]
    #22515664 - 11/12/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Awesome thanks for all of the ideas yall. I've got a 4ft wide roll of brand new vinyl for $20 tha will easily do all of the walls and ceiling. I got some construction adhesive to put the vinyl onto the walls and if that doesn't work then I'm using 3M.

I was planning on overlapping a few inches but I need to look into the vinyl seam sealer. What exactly is that? I also have some of that metallic HVAC tape that is pretty bomb proof that I was considering using on the seams. What do yall think about that? Maybe use the 3M spray on the seam before the tape?

I'm thinking a good layer of paint on the OSB before I glue I the vinyl can't hurt right? Or am I just wasting my time?

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Re: Suggestion for Farm Construction [Re: spaintr]
    #22515785 - 11/12/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

well painting is time consuming especially if this is a project with a limited life span


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