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Sativa or indica
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Overall, which do you prefer?
Personally, i prefer sativa. I used to be a huge fan of indica but cant stand the tiredness, couch lock, zombie feeling anymore. i don't even like smoking it at night, sativas help me sleep and it feels way less "forced" than indica. Plus its more euphoric.
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Kinda figured that from you 
Actually was thinking of you when i made the stal option
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Everyone seems to be conflicted here. For me sativa is the stony couch lock high And indica was the other side of that spectrum.
A classic example of this is skunk(heavy sativa)and always gets me so stony and glazed eyed. I don't wanna move haha I love that sedated high.
When I smoke blue dream(indica I'm pretty sure) I don't get to couch locked but I'm still high. It's not even hugely different for me but it's still noticeably different though.
I think you have your sativa indica effects labeled backwards. But half of my friends say I'm wrong so I guess it's just kinda 50/50. I try to provide evidence and everything but nobody seems to want to listen. Lol
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No indica is most certainly the one with more CBD. It makes most people more "stony"
Not saying you dont get these effects in reverse, maybe you are just weird
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Yukon Cornelius is going to come in here saying neither exists.
When I smoked I always prefered indicas. I always loved grandaddy purp and the like.
Sarivas just gave me way too much anxiety to smoke regularly
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impatientguy said: For me sativa is the stony couch lock high And indica was the other side of that spectrum.
Sativa is a couch lock stony high..
You are soooooooooooo smart.
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Yeah sativas took a lot of getting used to for me. I used to hate them because i would have a panic attack everytime i smoked one. I just started taking a hit or two at a time until i got a good feel for them. I still can only smoke like a bowl or so of sativa before it gets uncomfortable.
Indicas on the other hand, i can only smoke a bowl or so before im too tired to continue smoking
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impatientguy said: Everyone seems to be conflicted here. For me sativa is the stony couch lock high And indica was the other side of that spectrum.
A classic example of this is skunk(heavy sativa)and always gets me so stony and glazed eyed. I don't wanna move haha I love that sedated high.
When I smoke blue dream(indica I'm pretty sure) I don't get to couch locked but I'm still high. It's not even hugely different for me but it's still noticeably different though.
I think you have your sativa indica effects labeled backwards. But half of my friends say I'm wrong so I guess it's just kinda 50/50. I try to provide evidence and everything but nobody seems to want to listen. Lol
 Wrong wrong wrong wrong
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You realize were Quote:
xbloodwhipx said: No indica is most certainly the one with more CBD. It makes most people more "stony"
Not saying you dont get these effects in reverse, maybe you are just weird 
You say this but how do you explain the effects of such a classic sativa(couch lock stonyness) like skunk if indica is the stony one?
On all of the indica if ever smoked it's been a very light and euphoric time. Like blue dream, or grand daddy purp.
Like I said though some people agree with that and some disagree.
Lol let's just agree weed can be great.
Edit:if a really experienced grower hadnt told me that then I wouldn't preach it lol
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Everything is hybrids now adays which is why people get mixed results like that.
Take sour diesel, it can go both ways for me but has many sativa characteristics. I have been very couch locked before from it, or uplifted.
Some heavy indica is always going to relax me though, and strong sativa is always going to uplift me 
Maybe if I smoke a ton of the sativa I will get couch locked eventually, just like maybe one little indica puff might uplift me.
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Your friends are right bro.
Indica is couch lock.
Sativa is more uplifting high.
How could you get this wrong?
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If I could only have one, Indicas are more medicinal for me, but I smoke more hybrids than anything else. Many of my favorite hybrids are very high THC:CBD (and super heady), but I like everything. A lot of mostly pure sativas are super mellow and relaxing to me but that's just because they aren't as strong as many hybrids or indicas. Oil made from those works fine of course, but it can be really hard for me to get a strong racy high smoking those flowers.
Depends whose Skunk you're talking about Impatientguy. Sensi's is a very even and strong hybrid, Dutch Passion's is mostly sativa but still 25% Afghani. Sensi's Super Skunk is mostly Indica and a very popular (high yielding) grow if that's what you're getting.
There actually isn't too strong of a correlation between genetics and CBD level anymore, but there were more pure Indica landraces with high CBD/CBN than Sativa landraces AFAIK. Different phenotypes of the same strain can vary wildly, and with as hybridized as Cannabis is now, cannabinoid ratio is all over the place. Fortunately we live in the age of testing, and people using Cannabis for sleep can pick up bud with high CBN and so on.
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Re: Sativa or indica [Re: DustBunny]
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Haha let's just agree to disagree
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Sativa
uplifting and energetic cerebral, spacey or hallucinogenic best suited for day use
Indica
relaxing and calming body buzz or ‘couch lock’ best suited for night use
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Yeah that's nice.
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impatientguy said: For me sativa is the stony couch lock high And indica was the other side of that spectrum.
Sativa is a couch lock stony high..
You are soooooooooooo smart. 
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Re: Sativa or indica [Re: 4HO-DMT]
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Bitter Cactus said:
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impatientguy said: For me sativa is the stony couch lock high And indica was the other side of that spectrum.
Sativa is a couch lock stony high..
You are soooooooooooo smart. 

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Good comeback.
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Sure, but concrete info is concrete info Different breeder's Skunks have different genetics and even different phenotypes of one breeder's Skunks have different cannabinoid ratios. If you're getting one of the Afghan leaning phenos of even Dutch Passion's Skunk, while still mostly Sativa genetics, for all intents and purposes you have an Indica.
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Re: Sativa or indica [Re: DustBunny]
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DustBunny said: Sure, but concrete info is concrete info Different breeder's Skunks have different genetics and even different phenotypes of one breeder's Skunks have different cannabinoid ratios. If you're getting one of the Afghan leaning phenos of even Dutch Passion's Skunk, while still mostly Sativa genetics, for all intents and purposes you have an Indica.
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Re: Sativa or indica [Re: DustBunny]
#22193225 - 09/05/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What concrete info are you referring to post a link.
Like I said though let's just agree to disagree.
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BC, You got me to start liking smug jerry.
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Re: Sativa or indica [Re: 4HO-DMT]
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 (surprised no body put it here)
I haven't smoked in a bit, but the indica strains I got were always quite great and more favorable than sativa. But if I had to choose, it'd probably be blends.
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Re: Sativa or indica [Re: Achillita]
#22193263 - 09/05/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Indica
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I forgot the only reason I popped into this thread in the first place was this:
Ekoostik Hookah: Indica & Sativa
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I posted three links-
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DustBunny said: Depends whose Skunk you're talking about Impatientguy. Sensi's is a very even and strong hybrid, Dutch Passion's is mostly sativa but still 25% Afghani. Sensi's Super Skunk is mostly Indica and a very popular (high yielding) grow if that's what you're getting.
Nobody can (or rather, should ) argue what you subjectively feel from Sativas or Indicas. I was just somewhat disagreeing with your claim of Skunk as a "Classic Sativa" because every Skunk is a hybrid with at least 25% Indica genetics.
You should note, though, that like many in this thread have expressed, when people call a strain "strong Sativa" they probably mean it's going to be super heady (high THC:CBD and low CBN) and "strong Indica" they probably mean it is high CBN (the most hypnotic cannabinoid). CBD works directly against (as an antagonist to others' agonism) most other cannabinoids and can be somewhat sobering, so it's hard to gauge content by subjective effects unless it is a very high CBD strain (which will feel very mild). That said, the weaker strains like many Sativas (even with a relatively high THC:CBD ratio) can feel very mild too.
And again with as hybridized as Cannabis is today, genetics don't mean much about cannabinoid ratio. Many of the strains with the highest THC:CBD ratio have been ~50:50 hybrids or even mostly Indica hybrids. Best chance you have for estimating what cannabinoid ratio will be is by getting old stable F5+ seeds with little variance or clone cuts which have been tested.
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do a quick google search comparing the effects of sativa and indica and you'll find some concrete info about the subject
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Re: Sativa or indica [Re: Hemuli]
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I've looked before while arguing with my friends and I didn't find shit so like I said let's agree to disagree
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Agreed? Haha
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Bitter Cactus said: Indica is couch lock.
Sativa is more uplifting high.
This is the correct definition. I like them both for different reasons. The sativas keep me laughing & energetic & wanting to get shit done.
Indicas help me with my chronic pain (spinal-stenosis) & relax me in the evenings.
After partaking for 46 years, I like all weed. I quit booze after 25+ yrs of getting drunk. I quit cigs after 35+ yrs of being stupid. Weed? I'll toke that until the day I'm "Knock, knock, knocking on Heaven's Door".
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Re: Sativa or indica [Re: squidhead]
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The pages you'll find claiming differences between indica and sativa won't have sources to back it up (i.e. concrete info), because genetics doesn't mean much at all about cannabinoid ratio (i.e. subjective effects) in modern cannabis.
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Re: Sativa or indica [Re: DustBunny]
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If you can't give me sources then I can't believe you its just that simple lol
Because I've been taught differently than what your saying and even tried to re-educate myself but couldn't find any damn info on it. So if you don't have sources why would I believe you
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impatientguy said: When I smoke blue dream(indica I'm pretty sure) I don't get to couch locked but I'm still high. It's not even hugely different for me but it's still noticeably different though.
I think you have your sativa indica effects labeled backwards.
Blue dream is sativa dominant
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Re: Sativa or indica [Re: Hobozen]
#22193737 - 09/05/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Prove it brah
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Indica is the weed with long fat leaves thats what blue dream has (I've seen it growing)
Skunk has short long skinny sativa leaves.
Any questions. That's a retoricle question. Don't question me. Haha jk
Edit: mixed my leaves for a second lol
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https://www.leafly.com/hybrid/blue-dream
Blue Dream, a sativa-dominant hybrid originating in California, has achieved legendary status among West Coast strains.
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and what do you mean by skunk? there's lots of different indica and sativa skunks
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Re: Sativa or indica [Re: Hobozen]
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So what though? I wasnt certain about what side the BD was on Lol that doesn't change the effects of pure sativa strains and pure indica strains.
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Re: Sativa or indica [Re: Hobozen]
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blankk said: and what do you mean by skunk? there's lots of different indica and sativa skunks
I mean the skunk I got as a kid fuck man you want a fucking certificate of analysis? Weed that smells like a godamn skunk.
In not certain. Like I said I could be wrong it's just what I always thought.
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blankk said: and what do you mean by skunk? there's lots of different indica and sativa skunks
I mean the skunk I got as a kid fuck man you want a fucking certificate of analysis?
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you had it backwards, that's all i wanted to get through your thick skull
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Just dont. Lol I really don't enjoy your presence here bitter.
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Re: Sativa or indica [Re: Hobozen]
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Lol might have. Maybe that why everyone argues with me bout it hahaha
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Lol at least that one was funny.
shit like all of the little pics you post are lame
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You mean Salvia, because that is what you are smoking now
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impatientguy said: If you can't give me sources then I can't believe you its just that simple lol
Because I've been taught differently than what your saying and even tried to re-educate myself but couldn't find any damn info on it. So if you don't have sources why would I believe you
It's wise to be skeptical of everything, just as you should have been skeptical about what what your "really experienced grower" friend said Being a good grower does not mean good with the science behind it, just take a look at our sister site the Growery or ICMag forums. I didn't ask you for sources because I have done this research before.
Re: "Genetics doesn't mean anything about cannabinoid ratio" and "Many of the strongest and highest THC:CBD ratios have been Hybrids or even Indicas" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21653452
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Mean THC levels and the frequency of B(T) were significantly higher in C. indica than C. sativa. The proportion of high THC/CBD chemotype plants in most accessions assigned to C. sativa was <25% and in most accessions assigned to C. indica was >25%. Plants with relatively high levels of tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV) and/or cannabidivarin (CBDV) were common only in C. indica. This study supports a two-species concept of Cannabis.
Also Re: "Genetics doesn't mean anything about cannabinoid ratio" http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00041753
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Variation within populations for cannabinoid content, and consistency of chemical characters at the population level were investigated. The relationship between chemical and other plant characters was very limited. Leaflet width and phenological data can be used for a rough prediction of the chemical phenotype on a population level. Various combinations of cannabinoid content and other economic plant characters were observed, thus a breeding programme will not be hampered by strict linkage
Re: "Cannabinoid ratio (I.e. Subjective effects)" http://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/1638170.pdf
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Consumers using cannabis lacking the antipsychotic cannabinoid CBD may have been at greater risk. Smith (14) highlighted that high potency cannabis products lacking CBD have the potential to be more harmful, and suggested that more research was required to investigate how cannabis type or variety affects clinical disorders
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Re: Sativa or indica [Re: DustBunny]
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Came here to post something akin to what you just posted, but you posted it far better than i was going to.
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Re: Sativa or indica [Re: 404]
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sativa always or a sativa dominate hybrid. indica only good for me if i am in pain, need to sleep, or want the munchies. i rotate one through on the regular just to keep the tolerance right but yea, only get the munchies from indicas.
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Re: Sativa or indica [Re: DustBunny]
#22194194 - 09/05/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So if you knew genetics doesn't affect the cannibinoid content then why did you post this thread? haha
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I prefer Indica's.
Sativa's give me anxiety and make me socially uncomfortable.
I only came to this conclusion since I moved to a legal state. I never really understood the difference before. But not like I had a choice anyway. Weed was weed then.
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Re: Sativa or indica [Re: Big Worm]
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You're right, why on earth would I include this in my post in this thread? 
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DustBunny said: There actually isn't too strong of a correlation between genetics and CBD level anymore, but there were more pure Indica landraces with high CBD/CBN than Sativa landraces AFAIK. Different phenotypes of the same strain can vary wildly, and with as hybridized as Cannabis is now, cannabinoid ratio is all over the place. Fortunately we live in the age of testing, and people using Cannabis for sleep can pick up bud with high CBN and so on.
I do really like indicas for their short flowering period and resin production, though
Also, I assure you that it's a wasted effort. Everyone is incorrect at times and to think or act otherwise would lead to endless problems in life, as would placing too much pride in being correct.
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Re: Sativa or indica [Re: DustBunny]
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Haha gotchya! Lol to be honest though I don't smoke weed I only smoke oils made from everclear(made from weed) so for me the more overall cannibinoids the better no matter what kind of weed.
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