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Re: do you bless your drugs before you trip? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26571659 - 04/01/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don't bless drugs or anything else. I'm pretty much atheist these days.

Not that I don't care for anything or anyone around me, I just rather show my intention by action rather than gesture. For example I make wonderful food and have great extraction results. There's no magic involved, it's just care, attention and patience.


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Re: do you bless your drugs before you trip? [Re: Northerner]
    #26572358 - 04/02/20 12:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I dunno people, could be something in this. Don’t get me wrong I am notmreligious, nor do I bless my drugs. But a while ago, 18 months or so now, I had an intense come up, and thus followed some online advice from Rosalind Watts; I spoke out loud to the mushroom gods, asking why they were scaring me and explaining out loud that I had come to them for help,,could they then help me.

I think the fact that I vocalised my intentions etc. was much more powerful than just thinking it.

So maybe blessing your drugs beforehand is just cementing your existing intentions, before you “lose your mind to the mushrooms”.....

Just putting it out there.......


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Re: do you bless your drugs before you trip? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26572776 - 04/02/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I guess it may be seen as odd with modern religion.  But if you look at any tribal ceremony there is lots of blessing going on.


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Re: do you bless your drugs before you trip? [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26572826 - 04/02/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That is the essence of religious theater.
The most basic form of this is a drumming circle.
Participation can be transcendent but the entertainment value is great too.
with blessing, the drum is replaced by the drama, but the idea - to come together an be good - is the same.

That is reconnection. I believe this is essentially the meaning of religioun - religare - lat. to reconnect.

All in the mind to be sure - but nice to hear the beats, sometimes.


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Re: do you bless your drugs before you trip? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #26573054 - 04/02/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I use psytrance for that.  :awesome:


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Re: do you bless your drugs before you trip? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26573094 - 04/02/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

that's a blessing in disguise!


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Re: do you bless your drugs before you trip? [Re: Northerner]
    #26573118 - 04/02/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I listened to almost 2 hours of shamanic drumming last Friday in a trip where I didn’t trip....So getting fed up with it, put Hallucinogenic Lone Deranger album on; even that didn’t work.

But yeah. The trance beats usually do it for me too brother :feelingfunky:


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Re: do you bless your drugs before you trip? [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26573173 - 04/02/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I think covid-19 has shown us all that the tribe is where we should be. Our bodies have not yet evolved in the 200,000 years since we were in caves, and democracy falls down when “the tribe’s population” increases beyond about 50. If we still lived in tribes, I don’t think this virus would have spread in the first place, but in a small tribe if affected, we would all look after each other. The shaman could heal us as was always the case, with help from the spirit real, while we all joined in as a tribe.

I was lucky as a child; thee were 6 of us, and yes we were rock bottom poor, but our family unit and especially Sunday tea, are magical memories for me.

I think the above is why so many people today are “depressed”. We were never designed for this environment or society.

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Re: do you bless your drugs before you trip? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26575351 - 04/03/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I bless my trip before I do mushrooms, using an invocation to the mushroom spirits/sacraments that I came up with years ago.  Also I'll repeat it during the trip if things go off in the wrong direction.  Always works.

Now this may just be a way of grounding the experience, or it may be connecting with higher realms, or it may be working on expectations, but regardless it never fails.  It's a moment of focused meditation on what's about to occur, aligning everything.

It may not matter what sort of ritual is invoked, but I recommend it. :cookiemonster:


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Re: do you bless your drugs before you trip? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26575359 - 04/03/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

DO you keep your invocation the same?  Is it a mantra?  Or is the intention the same and you ad lib it each time?


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Re: do you bless your drugs before you trip? [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26575576 - 04/03/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

No, it's always the same.  It's the intention that matters but the invocation directs the intention.  Basis of ritual anyway. :shrug:


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Re: do you bless your drugs before you trip? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26576693 - 04/04/20 05:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

if you are honest about your superstitiousness then you must act out your view of the magical cosmos in accord with your belief or it will bite your ass.

there are ways with less baggage, but honesty prevails, if you are afraid and deny it, the fear will getcha getcha.

as a worm I gend to slime my drugs first or burn them in a tube.


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Re: do you bless your drugs before you trip? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26576898 - 04/04/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I like to thank the cactus when I harvest cuttings.  To me, its not about "drugs".  I love the cactus plants.  Their cuttings are very beneficial to me.  Its a sign of respect to thank them.


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Re: do you bless your drugs before you trip? [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26576922 - 04/04/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: do you bless your drugs before you trip? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26577283 - 04/04/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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if you are honest about your superstitiousness then you must act out your view of the magical cosmos in accord with your belief or it will bite your ass.

there are ways with less baggage, but honesty prevails, if you are afraid and deny it, the fear will getcha getcha.

as a worm I gend to slime my drugs first or burn them in a tube.




I tried to see if this post made any real sense.  It doesn't.

Superstition (AKA magical thinking) even if ingrained in somebody's world view has no real effect.  Therefore ignoring it willfully or accidentally has no real effect either, although people with OCD will manifest very complicated belief patterns rationalizing such imaginary effects in spite of evidence to the contrary.

Tripping with those sorts of beliefs probably sucks immensely.  I personally have no truck with a "magical cosmos", only one based on discoverable phyics. Imagining that because I choose to begin my trips with a mental focusing ritual indicates otherwise is mistaken.

But frankly it's come to be what I expect from you and that's just sad. :snoopyes:


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Re: do you bless your drugs before you trip? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26577728 - 04/04/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Honestly no? I think they already know how scared I am and have to talk myself into tripping every time. Even if set and setting is prime, I still have these voices that try and talk me out of it - probably just the ego being scared of itself.

But, I've never tried praying to the mushrooms. I eat/drink them and hope for the best. They're going to do whatever they wanna do regardless of what you said and or have done.


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Re: do you bless your drugs before you trip? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26578045 - 04/04/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, no. It's more about how you experience the trip not how some mythical mushroom spirit imposes its will on you in the trip. 

If you try tripping multiple days, which I highly recommend, that fear really goes away entirely.  You were just there yesterday, the memories of how incredible it was are still fresh, you already worked through any ego-shedding that was required, and you're just raring to go again. :awesomenod:

OTOH if you space them out and build them up in your mind, there's always this fear.  It's not without basis - they really do bizarre things to your ordinary consciousness (as in tear it down completely) and unless you're already OK with that going in it always raises some fear.

But make that a known quantity and it all changes.  That's why a ritual helps, it gets you in the right headspace to open up to the experience without the fear. :cookiemonster:


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Re: do you bless your drugs before you trip? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26578884 - 04/05/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

PrimalSoup said:
Quote:

redgreenvines said:
if you are honest about your superstitiousness then you must act out your view of the magical cosmos in accord with your belief or it will bite your ass.

there are ways with less baggage, but honesty prevails, if you are afraid and deny it, the fear will getcha getcha.

as a worm I gend to slime my drugs first or burn them in a tube.




I tried to see if this post made any real sense.  It doesn't.

Superstition (AKA magical thinking) even if ingrained in somebody's world view has no real effect.  Therefore ignoring it willfully or accidentally has no real effect either, although people with OCD will manifest very complicated belief patterns rationalizing such imaginary effects in spite of evidence to the contrary.

Tripping with those sorts of beliefs probably sucks immensely.  I personally have no truck with a "magical cosmos", only one based on discoverable phyics. Imagining that because I choose to begin my trips with a mental focusing ritual indicates otherwise is mistaken.

But frankly it's come to be what I expect from you and that's just sad. :snoopyes:



granted I had a spelling mistake
what does "gend" mean?
I will try this:
as a worm I tend to slime my drugs first or burn them in a tube


I hope that helps,
I take refuge in my bilaterally symmetric evolutionary relatedness to a worm, and I do also find that my stream of consciousness is fairly similar to the worm body 'tomes' which are linked and dragged through it's universe in a tubular fashion.

also the worm is a humble creature capable of immense work in the soils. I admire these nutritious creatures even though I have not eaten one in this lifetime.

Mostly I am talking about lysergamides or cannabis and my mouth is a handy slimebucket.

anyway, if your life philosophy or way of living is not enough prep for your trip, what is lacking?
if you adopt religious or shamanic practices - why?
these questions deserve honest answers.
the stoned mind has no patience for phonies and liars when it is adrift and wanting to trust something to be what it seems.


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