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Harmine freebase + DMT question
    #22191889 - 09/05/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have a little amount of dmt (not enough for a full trip) and  about half a gram of harmine freebase extract. I want to intensify the dmt to get an experience out of it. I was wondering if I should vaporize them together or should I do the harmine first or what? It's hard to describe the amount of dmt I have. According to my roomate the amount of dmt I have is only enough to produce a body high with no visuals. He smoked only the dmt (same amount I have right now) with no harmine. Any help on how to go about this would be appreciated.


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Re: Harmine freebase + DMT question [Re: woodpusher420]
    #22192506 - 09/05/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

make changa w/ the harmine and dmt


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Re: Harmine freebase + DMT question [Re: woodpusher420]
    #22196188 - 09/06/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They are both extracts. should I just mix the two powders together and vaporize? Theres all these teks on mixing the two in alcohol and shit.


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Re: Harmine freebase + DMT question [Re: woodpusher420]
    #22196229 - 09/06/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Do you have acetone and some leaf material? (weed, lotus, caapi(def would work here))

Take a shot glass, dissolve dmt and an appropriate amount of harmine in 10mL acetone, put about half a bowls worth leaf material in shot glass, mix a little so the leaves are settled evenly, set in front of a fan to evap.

might take a day or so to dry up but you should be rewarded with charged up leaves.


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Re: Harmine freebase + DMT question [Re: airclay]
    #22196668 - 09/06/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldn't make Changa. I would eat some Syrian rue and then and hour later smoke what you have.

Changa is going to require you to smoke a bit first and get the MAOI into your system with the result perhaps being that you burn off the minuscule amount of DMT that you already have.

Also I would imagine (never done it myself) smoking an MAOI is no comparison to taking a dose orally.

Do people use Changa to go further into hyperspace on DMT? I dont think so, as you cant really go further than hyperspace and it is in this respect like an actual place, you are either in or out.

My understanding was that many people use Changa not for a more potent or powerful experience (I mean only a total nutcase would want a more potent experience than DMT!) but because they actually want an easier more Ayahuasca-like experience. After all by smoking Changa leaves, you are smoking much less DMT and not really potentiating the DMT in itself but rather adding a whole new dimension to a high or low dose DMT experience.

It was always my assumption that the addition of the harmaline makes a rather superficial and dissatisfying low dose DMT experience a much more substantial and robust one, and people enjoy Changa not because it is more potent than DMT but because combined with a little Spice it is an experience onto itself and one that many people prefer over a full on DMT trip.

If you want to potentiate a small amount of DMT by smoking it at the same time as an MAOI though you might be disappointed.

I say have the MAOI fully activated and ready when you hit the DMT.


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Re: Harmine freebase + DMT question [Re: wolf8312]
    #22196762 - 09/06/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think the harmala dosage in changa is 1/3 freebase harmala to DMT. So you'd probably only need to smoke like 20mg of harmala to get a boost. I'd either mix them together in the same bowl or make some changa. But you'd need a really tiny container to make the changa efficiently, otherwise your small amount of dmt is going to coat the container more than a sprinkle of leaves.

Maybe the best option would be making the changa with just the harmalas, smoke a bowl of that mixture, then pack another bowl of the harmala changa with the dmt sandwiched in between. Should work pretty well then.


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Re: Harmine freebase + DMT question [Re: wolf8312]
    #22196780 - 09/06/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Idk man DMT is powerful but I find its so fast I forget most of it. The few times I tried changa it makes it more visual and lasts longer its like a mellow version of DMT it doesn't seem like the flash I get from straight DMT. The visuals seem more intense on changa but I have a feeling that im actually just remembering more and the straight DMT is far more powerful.

But its the most bang you're going to get out of it but who knows your friend may have not vaped it properly. So make the changa and try it out dissolve the DMT in hot isopropyl alcohol and do the same with the harmline then dry them on a couple mint leaves. Now pack the mint leaves into a bowl and smoke away changas great the first hit take it slow then take another slow hold them for as long as possible then just smoke the bowl till the floor starts to spiral away. Before you get to the snakes you will be conscious enough to place the bowl on the ground but try and train to do that ive broken 2 bowls like that. But changas really cool because it has a weird vibe way more meaningful than DMT in my opinion. Dont get me wrong DMT is cool and all but I find I cant remember the details and when I do its like a combination of thought, sight, smell, movement, and symbols all in something that is splitting apart rapidly through my head. But changa you remember more of it only lasts like 3 minutes longer though.


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Re: Harmine freebase + DMT question [Re: thewanderer25]
    #22202909 - 09/07/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

First off let me say thank you to everyone that responded. I love this site, you guys are AWESOME! Anyway, I'll include pics at the bottom but; I have .7g of harmine, maybe 4mg of DMT in two separate piles (I wanna try to make two doses for me and my girl), half a bottle of 96% spirytus (polish vodka), and a getto ass light bulb pipe I made. Now, everyone let me know what you think about doing this. I think I should make the changa by dissolving the dmt and the harmine in the alcohol. I'm going to use 3:2 alcohol/ premixed changa ratio. my changa ratio will be 4:1 Harmine/ Dmt. I'm going to mix the changa and the alcohol by stuffing the corner of a ziplock bag into a cup of some sort. Then, carefully put in the premixed changa. Then, cover with alcohol and let it sit. I don't want to use heated alcohol because I just don't want to add the possibility of fucking something up; I can let it sit for however long I need. I figure a couple hours. What do you all think? Anyway, after a period of time I will add Marijuana to my liquid Changa. Probably just enough to soak it all up. I feel like I should let the bud dry completely before vaping. Then after it's dry I will smoke it out of my little crack bulb. My friend used the bulb on the straight DMT with a tourch. I'm thinking I will use a lighter. Tourch seems like it may add unnecessary heat? Maybe this is why he only got a slight body high (he smoked the same amount as one of the DMT pics on tinfoil at the bottom of this post). I also think it would be a good Idea for me to put maybe 200-250mg of harmine into two gel caps and have me and my girl take them an hour before smoking the changa. WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? I feel like this plan should provide a nice experience for the two of us. 

 


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Re: Harmine freebase + DMT question [Re: woodpusher420]
    #22202977 - 09/07/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If thats all the dmt you have and all you think you'll be able to acquire for a while i would try just sandwiching it... you freebase powder often? If not you need to get a technique to vape off glass and 9/10 your first time you will burn it and get little/no effects.

This is what i would do...

Get a weed pipe and pack a couple hits of weed and hit it until its black but not white ash. then sprinkle both piles of dmt on top and then put a thin layer of ground weed on top of the dmt so you can't see it anymore. Run your lighter over the top of the bowl back and forth, then very lightly hit it, almost to the point where you aren't gonna get much smoke. Hold this in for like 10 seconds then hit it a little harder, holding this in til you zero the hit. Proceed to take a third, but with as little as you have taking smaller hits and lunging them right down will probably be the most effective. If you're not where you want to be after the third hit, hit it 'hard' like there was just weed in the bowl and hold this in as long as you can.. if you do it right you won't really feel much of an exhale.


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Re: Harmine freebase + DMT question [Re: Bugler Boy]
    #22203691 - 09/07/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yeah with that little amount of dmt, I'd smoke a few bowls of harmine mixed w leaf material first. Then sandwich some harmine and dmt in the middle of a bowl of leaf material and take light pulls, just enough to get the bowl lit. I would also suggest putting it in one bowl and passing it after three good rips. Ive had bowls last for 3-4 ppl.

-I would use a reg spoon style pipe tho, I've never used a pipe like that with leaves.


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Re: Harmine freebase + DMT question [Re: airclay]
    #22203818 - 09/07/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the replies bugler boy and airclay. sandwiching the dmt like described above sounds like a less complicated method. I guess I just have to pick a method and give it a try. I am planning on extracting my own DMT in the future, so if this is a waste it's not the end of the world (I'd just perfer not to waste it). Though, I still kinda am leaning towards using the bulb. If the idea is to melt the DMT rather than burn it I would think the getto meth bulb would allow me to do just that (like using an induction stove top insted of a gas stove with an open flame). If i do use the bulb I believe I will use a normal lighter instead of the torch though. I have use the light bulb with weed before though. It works just fine.


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Re: Harmine freebase + DMT question [Re: woodpusher420]
    #22204003 - 09/07/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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woodpusher420 said:
Though, I still kinda am leaning towards using the bulb. If the idea is to melt the DMT rather than burn it I would think the getto meth bulb would allow me to do just that (like using an induction stove top insted of a gas stove with an open flame). If i do use the bulb I believe I will use a normal lighter instead of the torch though. I have use the light bulb with weed before though. It works just fine.




Vaping a powder versus a herb is a whole different ball game. Have you ever freebased a powder before?


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Re: Harmine freebase + DMT question [Re: Bugler Boy]
    #22205921 - 09/08/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No. I usually don't freebase powders. I can see where I may have an issue. Like I said I just gotta pick a method and try it. I've been sitting on this shit for a while now. Just want to experience it damnit!


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Re: Harmine freebase + DMT question [Re: woodpusher420] * 1
    #22206121 - 09/08/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I could go on and on about experiences but just know that adding haramalas to your dmt smoke makes a huge difference.

It's a slower comeup, perhaps less shocking overall but oh so very visual. CEVs from this combo are just unreal mang. I would advise you to keep your eyes closed through most of it.


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Re: Harmine freebase + DMT question [Re: lurkmode]
    #22212139 - 09/09/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Someone I know has a g pen. I have been advised to use it as a sure way to vape my DMT without fucking it up. Anyone have any experience using the g pen with powders? I still want to eat some harmine and mix a little with the DMT to ensure I get an experience out of what I have. If I fuck it up some how it's alright though. I have 500g of mimosa hostilis root bark on the way :laugh:


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