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I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. 4
#22191530 - 09/05/15 06:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know guys but..
Theres a hardening in the debate towards illegal immigrants, with great hostility towards them shown and radical solutions only being a word away.
The bashing of African Americans in general hardens and gets more widespread, the miscommunications between the groups keep getting bigger and the frustration and aggression greater.
People get downright BASHED for their political affiliations, right up to common usage of words like "libtards".
I see holocaust denial and actual antisemitic remarks pop up amidst more moderate criticisms of the state of Israel, and also talk of "zionist conspiracies" which are from the underbelly of neonazism.
The utter bashing of religions and anyone in it, most particularly a frighteningly onesided and radical approach towards Islam, with people starting threads like "Everything wrong about Islam".
Homophobic, sexist and transphobic sentiments slipping through the cracks.
This worries me quite a bit, because I love this website and I'm seeing people getting increasingly antagonistic in all directions.
Why so hostile guys? Why so violent?
I expect that the subsequent discussion this OP evokes will get out of hand and turn into a shitstorm, but at least I got to say this much. I'm sure others feel this way too. Let's be our own moderators and actively work at restoring the peace here, not by moderating others but by being the change we want to see.
I'll tack on a poll because polls get a more honest response than posts - most people simply refuse to get shouted at and this skews the direction debate will take.
Let's see what comes of this.
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Re: I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. [Re: Asante]
#22191543 - 09/05/15 06:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is nothing new. You're seeing a pattern because you want to. This level of "hate" towards immigrants has been going on for as long I can remember, I don't even mean here, I mean in my entire life.
As for the racist stuff, blame the media. THEY are the ones stirring the pot and are pushing us towards all out race war. Homophobic, refer back to immigration. Transphobia, maybe but I don't really see any more animosity than is usually present. Let's face it, the only reason you even brought that one up, was because of the latest drama with BS, and they brought that on themselves. Rose made a valid point, that they're gonna use whatever platform they have to push back against what they feel is oppression. But there are better ways to do it than BS handled things.
A large portion of the srhoomery is American, if not the majority. None of this stuff is new at all. It has been going on for decades and has not seen any upward spike. Like I said, you're just looking for patterns.
You don't live in America, you aren't here to see it on a daily basis and in person. I'm willing to be the ONLY thing you see on stuff that happens here of those subjects, is the shit the media pushes out for it's own agenda.
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Asante
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Re: I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22191549 - 09/05/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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blame the media
We should spend less time listening to the Media and more time participating in the Shroomery
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Re: I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. [Re: Asante] 6
#22191556 - 09/05/15 06:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I detect an anti-extremist vibe on the shroomery.
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Re: I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. [Re: Asante] 6
#22191559 - 09/05/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There are a lot of smart people here with a lot of extreme ideas/beliefs which they feel very strongly about. I think it gets as extreme as it does a lot of the time because somebody is challenging somebody else's strong views with strong views of their own.
I don't really see the Pub getting any worse than it ever was. I'm not in it all the time though. On average it might spike a little here and there but then it dips back down.
I agree that we can and should have whatever opinions we want, that's a little thing called freedom, but a lot of the time it would be nice if everybody could just admit they were wrong if they are, either that or agree that some things, like politics for example, don't really have a right or wrong answer. Some people also have the strong views they do because of how much disinformation is out there, but it doesn't matter to them because they've already picked a side. We are bad at change it seems. Especially when we have to admit we were wrong in order to change.
I wish I didn't see so much hate spewed here, but honestly I think a lot of time people are just blowing off steam.
Also with a pretty high athiest population here, religion bashing is bound to happen. It shouldn't. I don't bash religion, it doesn't make me feel good to rip apart one of the core aspects that make up a person. I have a Christian friend and we talk all the time on the subject and get along just great because we respect each others belief or lack thereof.
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Re: I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. [Re: Asante] 7
#22191560 - 09/05/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shit posting, baiting and flaming are practically the norm these days. Hell, even some mods do it... frequently. I think posting with the specific intent on getting a rise out of someone gives lot of people here an E-boner...
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Re: I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. [Re: Sun King] 1
#22191563 - 09/05/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sun King said: I detect an anti-extremist vibe on the shroomery.
I'm happy for that vibe.
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Re: I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. [Re: Sun King] 1
#22191569 - 09/05/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought it was always like this. Fortunately, the board has an ignore function so I just go into threads where I know people are going to act a fool and put those who do on ignore. It's actually made the Shroomery a much more pleasant experience for me. Once those elements are removed, even controversial conversations can be productive and enlightening.
I wouldn't go so far as saying the board culture needs to change, there are steps one can take to limit contact with unsavory individuals.
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Re: I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. [Re: Asante] 4
#22191573 - 09/05/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is there even supposed to be political discussion in the pub? Seems like the "political discussion" subforum would be a better spot for those types of posts.
I think the bigots are a very loud minority.
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Re: I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. [Re: dionysiandame] 1
#22191574 - 09/05/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have noticed an uptick in what you would call "extremism" in the pub and elsewhere, it bothers me, but I don't think there's necessarily anything to be done about it.
I do think it's pretty stupid that flaming is disallowed in places like Political Discussion, but racism gets a pass.
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Re: I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#22191579 - 09/05/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I feel that the pressure the media are putting on the American public in regard to the elections has a definite part in this. I think it will ease a bit after the elections.
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Re: I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. [Re: Asante]
#22191589 - 09/05/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said: I feel that the pressure the media are putting on the American public in regard to the elections has a definite part in this. I think it will ease a bit after the elections.
Not if we elect Trump lol, and you'll see nothing but misogyny from the right for 8 years if Hillary wins.
But you do have a point, income inequality is becoming a more mainstream political issue, and to mitigate that the media is throwing immigration in your faces 24 hours a day.
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Re: I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22191594 - 09/05/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#22191607 - 09/05/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
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Asante said: I feel that the pressure the media are putting on the American public in regard to the elections has a definite part in this. I think it will ease a bit after the elections.
Not if we elect Trump lol, and you'll see nothing but misogyny from the right for 8 years if Hillary wins.
But you do have a point, income inequality is becoming a more mainstream political issue, and to mitigate that the media is throwing immigration in your faces 24 hours a day.
I do sometimes ask myself "Why are they showing me this? Is this really the ONLY thing happening right now?" And then I check my non-US or non-corporate news sources and see that there is so much happening in our country we SHOULD be paying attention to but aren't.
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Re: I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. [Re: dionysiandame] 1
#22191623 - 09/05/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep. The news is a horrible source of news.
A couple more generations and we will have made great strides in the racial and LGBT communities. This isn't meant in a mean way, but when the old timers who cling to the ideals they grew up with have been dead for a while, that kind of hate won't be instilled in nearly as many children.
In a couple of generations, we will be the old voters and, hopefully, we will not have our politics blinded by the news media as the majority of the populous currently does. Many in our generation (try to) get unbiased news from several sources. That's what we will teach our children, and that's what our children will teach their children. Don't blindly trust. Use your head. Question what you're told. Learn the facts.
A few generations yet and this continent might just wake up.
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Re: I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. [Re: Midnight_Toker] 2
#22191657 - 09/05/15 07:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Perhaps people are somewhat sick of other people coming where they live and fucking it up, then getting told by liberals how it's natural and to accept it. There was a thread where a person moved into a posters neighborhood, asked him for help moving for weed, then fake arrested him, he wasn't a cop though. It was gross as fuck. I get that everyone can't own their neighborhood, but just because people come in doesn't mean you need to accept them or their shit just because of some fanciful notions of rights
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Re: I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. [Re: Midnight_Toker] 2
#22191670 - 09/05/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trump has brought the very important topic of illegal immigrant into the forefront of American politics, R's and D's have been ignoring this issue for decades and most US citizens want a major change to the current policy, so of course it's being discussed in the Pub.
I don't see any homophobic vibes, maybe it's because everyone here is gay from the shrooms.
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Re: I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. [Re: Asante] 1
#22191676 - 09/05/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't get this sort of vibe at all (although I'm not in the pub much so moot point)
These extremist folks you're talking about happen to be the most vocal, to a point where they might be overshadowing the more relaxed posters.
I'm a live and let live kind of guy.
Elections are also coming up here in the states, that might be why some of us are really focusing on some issues the way we are
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Re: I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. [Re: qman]
#22191689 - 09/05/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Republicans have been ignoring the immigration issue for decades?
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Re: I'm picking up a weird extremist vibe in the Pub and elsewhere on the Shroomery lately. [Re: ONE OZ SLUG] 3
#22191702 - 09/05/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I did see an increase in extremism in the pub lately.
I blame, the Jews, the blacks, the gay, women, old conservative, the libtard, ISIS, Islam, Chritisanity, white people, that starving african kid with flies around him and more importantly I blame YOU and your asian friends!
I am completely innocent of everything that has happened.
But trolling aside. It's election season. People get emotionally involved. It's normal. It's part of free speech and I admire that we can actually talk about issues instead of being forced to keep out opinion to ourselves. I'd rather see an extremist voice his opinions loudly with a huge sign around his body than having him sit in his room alone plotting something horrible. If they get out there to speak, that means they are open to discussion.
Suppressing people has only created factions and unrest throughout history. Voice your opinions people!
EDIT: The first part of my post wa intended as humor. I mods feels they should edit it, feel free to do it.
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