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FryersQuest
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Psilocybin destruction?
#22190599 - 09/04/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I feel like this is the best place to ask this question....
I have probably a quarter to half ounce of Stuntzii that I picked in the Fall of last year. They have remained dry and still smell just like any dried Psilocybe. However I was moving in the summer and left them in my car in one of my suitcases. The heat outside got into the high 80s and low 90s. The interior of the car I assume became hotter than 100 degrees fahrenheit. So they sat in the car for lengthened periods of time at high heat, but in a suitcase. Do you guys think they have lost any or all potency? I want to eat them with a friend who is coming out tomorrow but I don't want to set aside other big possible plans just for mushrooms that are no longer active. I read that psilocybin starts breaking down at around 100 degrees....but does that mean it will be totally useless?
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     Species Found: Gymnopilus Luteofolius ~ Panaeolus Cinctulus ~ Psilocybe Baeocystis ~ Psilocybe Cyanescens ~ Psilocybe cyanofibrillosa ~ Psilocybe Semilanceata ~ Psilocybe Stuntzii
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Toadstool5
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It doesn't start to break down at 100, however it will increase the rate of dephosphorylation and oxidation.
The suitcase helps prevent UV oxidation and FAE so it helps but there is no possible way for anyone on the boards to be able to definitively tell you if there is still a threshold dose left.
I do not advise you to store anything in a hot car let alone something you value. 
FYI this is not advanced or mycology
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Re: Psilocybin destruction? [Re: Toadstool5]
#22190834 - 09/04/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Literally everything you just said sounded pretty advanced. "dephosphorylation"
So it increased oxidation.....does that mean it did something to the psilocybin content? Where should I have asked this question?
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Toadstool5
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The heat makes the enzymes that convert the psilocybin to psilocin (dephosphorylization) speed up and it also speeds up how fast the psilocin breaks down into inactive by-products (oxidation). The breakdown happens in two steps basically, first dephosphorylization then oxidation.
Even though heat speeds it up they could still be really potent if they were strong to begin with. The suitcase also helped limit how much oxygen and light it was exposed to which helps a lot. Thats why nobody can really say for sure, but if i had to guess they still have some power only one way to find out!
Chemistry/pharmacology would be the best place because they know the most about the chemistry involved. The psychedelic experience is also a good one because it is goaled toward the use of psychedelics and many of them have years of experience.
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Re: Psilocybin destruction? [Re: Toadstool5]
#22209423 - 09/08/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You need temperatures near freezing to stop the degradation completely. It's hard to say how long they'll stay active for because it also depends on factors other than temperature but based on the few studies available, 6-24 months would be a good estimate at room temperature.
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