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grassgrows
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Need ID for a Possible Cube
#22190296 - 09/04/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Habitat: In grass on a hill near a game trail in Georgia. Gills: Deep brown almost black. Gills peel off. Smells pungent.
Stem: Stems for these was very short. Stem bruises blue. Not totally hallow, the smaller one seems hallow but the big one has four white tube like inner stems (see photo)
Cap: More flat. Pale white, nothing special about it.
 Spore print color: Brown and purple.
Bruising: Stem bruised but the cap didn't really bruise.
Other information: Strong smell. Grew with one other. Gills are very dark and look very contrasted to the white cap.
It is very moist at the gills very wet.
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dormiens_vagila
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Re: Need ID for a Possible Cube [Re: grassgrows]
#22190575 - 09/04/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Generally stropharia cubensis grows directly on dung, and it comes from a specific cattle (bos indicus)
It really doesn't look like it to me, but ive been wrong before, it looks pretty beat up and old whatever it is...
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grassgrows
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Yes, there aren't cattle in the area, but there are alot of deer. These were growing very close to the ground. Picked fresh but there is no telling how long they were there. Inside of stem and the cap seems to support the fact that these are really old and they may have outlasted the dung or fertilizer that they grew off. The stems were white and bruised blue. The spore print is for sure purply.
Also:
"Psilocybe cubensis are coprophilic, and colonize the dung of large herbivores, most notably cows and other grazing mammals."
http://www.shroomery.org/11154/Psilocybe-cubensis-Identification-for-Beginners
Found the quote interesting.
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dormiens_vagila
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Re: Need ID for a Possible Cube [Re: grassgrows]
#22190796 - 09/04/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, which is wby i said "generally", there's always exceptions, but I was always taught "find the bos indicus cattle, and you will find the cubensis"...I used to live in northern Florida and would go gathering cubes quite often, but it was always from "white cattle" dung (bos indicus cattle), in known fields...I have heard of it growing on horse dung, that post was the first time ive heard wood-chips, but in general, if your on the gulf-coast, bos indicus Cattle feilds are the way to go hunting, you will always find your cube.

The bird in the picture is said to spread the stropharia cubensis spores as well.
Do you have a picture of the bluing or a full spore print?
Like I said, they don't look like cubensis to me, but ive been wrong before.
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grassgrows
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o ok
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Re: Need ID for a Possible Cube [Re: grassgrows]
#22190851 - 09/04/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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poison?
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Re: Need ID for a Possible Cube [Re: grassgrows]
#22192215 - 09/05/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Man I thought those were microscopy pics for a sec
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Lucis
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dormiens_vagila said: stropharia cubensis grows directly on dung
The 70's called, they want their field guides back.
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Re: Need ID for a Possible Cube [Re: Lucis]
#22195510 - 09/06/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would not ingest that, just imo.
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dormiens_vagila
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Re: Need ID for a Possible Cube [Re: Lucis]
#22195947 - 09/06/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Fennario said:
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dormiens_vagila said: stropharia cubensis grows directly on dung
The 70's called, they want their field guides back.
The qoute said:
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Generally stropharia cubensis grows directly on dung, and it comes from a specific cattle (bos indicus)
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lol
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Re: Need ID for a Possible Cube [Re: Lucis]
#22196024 - 09/06/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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dormiens_vagila said: stropharia

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Fennario said:
The 70's called, they want their field guides back.
-------------------- I give you the choice of 2 pills.
With each containing one of the following: Cyanide... Psilocin... Would you take the risk? Didn't think so. This is why Positive Identification prior to consumption is important.
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dormiens_vagila
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Re: Need ID for a Possible Cube [Re: Blazeyy]
#22196037 - 09/06/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I already posted a reply but my posts keep "disappearing"
The mushrooms in Stropharia and Psilocybe have been shifted around so much over the years that there's virtually no keeping up with the names. Maybe we should just create "Psilopharia" and have done with it--except that the name wouldn't reflect any natural grouping, since it turns out that what is now called "Psilocybe" actually represents at least two very different groups of mushrooms, neither of which is as closely related to Stropharia as they are to Hypholoma and Pholiota (see the Strophariaceae page for details) . . . and, we are told in a very recent paper (Bridge and collaborators,2008),what we have called "Stropharia" must now be split into Stropharia proper and Leratiomyces. Whew!
"Leratiopsilopharias" are saprobes on dung, woody debris, or grass. They have purple-brown to purplish black spore prints, and partial veils. In Stropharia, theoretically, the partial veil is more likely to leave a ring, while species of Psilocybe are more likely to have ring zones--but this idea breaks down pretty quickly as soon as one starts trying to identify the mushrooms.
Some of the species bruise blue, especially near the stem base, and these belong to Psilocybe--or, they used to belong to Psilocybe; now mycologists aren't sure where to put them because their DNA marks them as completely separate from the other, non-bluing species of Psilocybe and Stropharia. Some species of Stropharia are large and brightly colored, but these traits are not unheard of in Psilocybe. Most species of Stropharia feature "chrysocystidia" on their gills(cystidia that stain yellowish in KOH when fresh, or appear filled with amorphous yellowish contents when revived from dried mushrooms), while most species of Psilocybe do not . . . . . . and so on. I say we should just use the same strategy they recommend for merging onto the Interstate: pick a spot, accelerate, and get on the highway. Call it a Stropharia, a Psilocybe, or a Leratiomyces, but don't sit there on the ramp crying about the traffic, because we've got places to go and mushrooms to see when we get there! - http://www.mushroomexpert.com/stropharia.html
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Edited by dormiens_vagila (09/06/15 07:56 AM)
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dormiens_vagila
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apparently, we dont do that as a matter of convention to discriminate easier for IDs.
same goes for the weillii apparently.
(just trying to save a horse from being beaten)
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