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Aborts? How do i handle them?
    #22185947 - 09/03/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So growing shrooms is definitely a learning process and I have noticed something interesting that I wanted clarification on. I am growing BHT shrooms and they tend to cluster together in large amounts. I have noticed that the larger the cluster the smaller the shrooms. I also have noticed that as the cake dries out it starts to turn blue and this seems to happen with the larger clusters faster. I have already gotten a successful flush...or at least my best one yet. I am only guessing...but it seems to me that the reason the shrooms are smaller and aborts more frequent in cluster is because they are using all the water and nutrients from the same spot. so my question is this:

Will removing aborts early on prevent the cake from drying out as fast and allow the healthy shrooms in the clusters grow bigger and faster and help prevent them from drying out before maturity?

Also, does anyone do anything with the aborts? I had a friend tell me that they can be dried and ground up into capsules to some effect.


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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: AuoraBorealis]
    #22185959 - 09/04/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You eat aborts aswell


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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22185983 - 09/04/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

what is their level of potency in comparison to size? still wondering if removing them as soon as its apparent that they aren't going to grow will help. I kinda figured its like pruning in a way.


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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: AuoraBorealis]
    #22185999 - 09/04/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know man, wait for someone who can answer your question about if you should remove them as soon as you realize it's an abort, I would like it answered aswell.

But I do know that you defiantly eat the aborts aswell, and they are potent fukers.


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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22186046 - 09/04/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I ONLY EAT ABORTS


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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: pablokabute]
    #22186056 - 09/04/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I say double to triple in potency per dried weight.

Harvest them ASAP as soon as you're sure they're goin to abort.


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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: pablokabute]
    #22186062 - 09/04/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I say double to triple in potency per dried weight.

Harvest them ASAP as soon as you're sure they're goin to abort.




And there you go :crazy:


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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22186070 - 09/04/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thats all good to know lol....but The main question I had was does it directly influence the growth of the shrooms around them by picking off the ab0rts as soon as possible


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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: AuoraBorealis]
    #22186086 - 09/04/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sometimes they're destined to abort(might be genetic)...
Or some other variables have not been optimally met.

If for anything, you're picking the aborts early on so they won't rot along with your healthy and still growing mushrooms. They also attract insects and undesirables when they start to rot.


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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: AuoraBorealis]
    #22186087 - 09/04/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No, the surrounding mushrooms will still grow.


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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: pablokabute]
    #22186103 - 09/04/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, what you are talking about is a common mycological practice.
I'm drunk and can't remember the term...
Oh well.

I know my shit, check my ratings.

So, if you so research on king oysters (pleurotas eryngii) alot of people practice removing excess pins to promote most of the growth energy to one or 2 mushrooms. Because of the variety of oyster.

Your theory of choosing clusters to grow could work. And probably will!

If you remove a pin or abort, try not to disturb the actual mycelium. You can actually leave a little atub and it will revert back to mycelium.

Always dumk a cake for awhile after a flush to rehydate the core. (1-12hr... Whatever fits your schedule)

Other than that... Watch for mold.


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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: pablokabute]
    #22186215 - 09/04/15 01:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ok thank you. i knew that keeping them there was a bad idea. It seemed to be ruining the shrooms around them the longer I left them on


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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: AuoraBorealis]
    #22186219 - 09/04/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Have all your questions been answered to a satisfactory standard?


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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22186508 - 09/04/15 06:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

if your cakes are drying out, you can pop them in a saucer full of water to help hydrate them
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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: keeno]
    #22187877 - 09/04/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I always pick and eat aborts. I think they are more potent then a full grow mushroom.


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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: dreadhed]
    #22187970 - 09/04/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I always pick and eat aborts. I think they are more potent then a full grow mushroom.




For you to see what I meant, you should weigh em out becuz gram per gram, regular shrooms don't have shit against aborts, ime...


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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: blojo02184]
    #22189517 - 09/04/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

@blojo02184 Does this mean if I cull clusters off the sides and bottom of cakes the tops will fruit better?


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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: dreadhed]
    #22189541 - 09/04/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I always pick and eat aborts. I think they are more potent then a full grow mushroom.




:whathesaid:

Be careful!  "Aborts" can kick your ass. Depending on their actual size (mass, really) they can easily be 2 - 3X as potent as full size.  That's why I pick all consumable mushies, grind them into a powder, and mix thoroughly to homogenize.  That way dosage (for that batch) is totally consistent.

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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22189891 - 09/04/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #22190116 - 09/04/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: AuoraBorealis]
    #22190471 - 09/04/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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So growing shrooms is definitely a learning process and I have noticed something interesting that I wanted clarification on. I am growing BHT shrooms and they tend to cluster together in large amounts. I have noticed that the larger the cluster the smaller the shrooms. I also have noticed that as the cake dries out it starts to turn blue and this seems to happen with the larger clusters faster. I have already gotten a successful flush...or at least my best one yet. I am only guessing...but it seems to me that the reason the shrooms are smaller and aborts more frequent in cluster is because they are using all the water and nutrients from the same spot. so my question is this:

Will removing aborts early on prevent the cake from drying out as fast and allow the healthy shrooms in the clusters grow bigger and faster and help prevent them from drying out before maturity?

Also, does anyone do anything with the aborts? I had a friend tell me that they can be dried and ground up into capsules to some effect.



If the cakes are getting dehydrated in the middle of a flush you can inject water from a syringe into various points in the cake to rehydrate it better than simply misting.


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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22190910 - 09/04/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Do Not overestimate aborts!

They are more potent than u think they are!

Just dry them like normal shrooms. They take less time to dry cause the shrooms are so small.


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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: pablokabute]
    #22193021 - 09/05/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I always pick and eat aborts. I think they are more potent then a full grow mushroom.




For you to see what I meant, you should weigh em out becuz gram per gram, regular shrooms don't have shit against aborts, ime...




I know you meant & I agree with you.


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Re: Aborts? How do i handle them? [Re: AuoraBorealis]
    #22197795 - 09/06/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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AuoraBorealis said:
So growing shrooms is definitely a learning process and I have noticed something interesting that I wanted clarification on. I am growing BHT shrooms and they tend to cluster together in large amounts. I have noticed that the larger the cluster the smaller the shrooms. I also have noticed that as the cake dries out it starts to turn blue and this seems to happen with the larger clusters faster. I have already gotten a successful flush...or at least my best one yet. I am only guessing...but it seems to me that the reason the shrooms are smaller and aborts more frequent in cluster is because they are using all the water and nutrients from the same spot. so my question is this:

Will removing aborts early on prevent the cake from drying out as fast and allow the healthy shrooms in the clusters grow bigger and faster and help prevent them from drying out before maturity?

Also, does anyone do anything with the aborts? I had a friend tell me that they can be dried and ground up into capsules to some effect.



I don't know you know this already but a lot of the pins are dormant and don't grow until future flushes and that can include pins that are part of a cluster. In which case removing them won't affect the size of the others growing. However, removing non-aborted actively growing pins does tend to increase the size of the other growing on that substrate (not necessarily just the others in the cluster)


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