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What is spirituality?
    #22184365 - 09/03/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Vague question I know but I have to start somewhere to get a grip on this. What is it though? I talk to people about it and get many different responses about what it is. How do you know when you have had a spiritual experience?

So far what I can recall was hearing voices as a child, they would call my name and sometimes they sounded like family. This went away after some time. I have had a few dreams that told the future as a teenager. Also the feeling when you're falling in a dream and crashing awake.

But the one memory I have is of battle. I remember everything fading to black and grey as the roar of battle dimmed, the banners and soldiers fading. Then a rush of bright light like coming out of a tunnel at full speed and I'm in the world again.

I can't seem to forget that, to this day it's still in my mind.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22184412 - 09/03/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

To me, the term "spirituality" refers to how one fits into the universe (or multiverse). A person or people with a higher degree of spirituality can be said to be more intimately tied to the workings of nature, or even to those beyond nature, potentially.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22185420 - 09/03/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think spirituality is founded on honesty..just going with the flow and saying whats on your mind and stuff..


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #22185997 - 09/04/15 12:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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To me, the term "spirituality" refers to how one fits into the universe (or multiverse). A person or people with a higher degree of spirituality can be said to be more intimately tied to the workings of nature, or even to those beyond nature, potentially.




I agree with this. For me also it is about loving life rather than just loving the pleasures of life.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22189490 - 09/04/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My belief is that spirituality is the human condition of subjective hope to ignore the truth that life is not eternal.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #22189505 - 09/04/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sudly, I'm not a mod, but you'll want to watch being critical like that in this forum.  A comment like that is more suited for PS&P.

Just sayin'.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22189671 - 09/04/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The realization of the connection between everything. Human's stopped looking inward and forgot what they are.


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    We suffer from a hallucination, from a false and distorted sensation of our own existence as living organisms. Most of us have the sensation that “I myself” is a separate center of feeling and action, living inside and bounded by the physical body — a center which “confronts” an “external” world of people and things, making contact through the senses with a universe both alien and strange. Everyday figures of speech reflect this illusion. “I came into this world.” “You must face reality.” “The conquest of nature.”

    This feeling of being lonely and very temporary visitors in the universe is in flat contradiction to everything known about man (and all other living organisms) in the sciences. We do not “come into” this world; we come out of it, as leaves from a tree. As the ocean “waves,” the universe “peoples.” Every individual is an expression of the whole realm of nature, a unique action of the total universe. This fact is rarely, if ever, experienced by most individuals. Even those who know it to be true in theory do not sense or feel it, but continue to be aware of themselves as isolated “egos” inside bags of skin.




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TO alleviate pain, to try to remove its causes, are worthy of man. All the same, we must know that a great part of our sufferings has to be ascribed to the beginning of our entrance into a new plane of existence to which our vital nature has not been completely adapted nor our mind thoroughly accustomed. From a narrow perfection of animality man has arrived in the imperfectness of spiritual life, where the civil war between the forces of our primitive past and those belonging to our future has robbed us of peace. Not having reached its normal stage humanity is enveloped in the incandescent vapour of suffering.




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    SPIRITUAL life is the emancipation of consciousness. Through it we find immediate response of soul everywhere. Before we attain this life, we see men through the medium of self-interest, prejudice or classification, because of the perpetual remoteness around us which we cannot cross over. When the veil is removed, we not only see the fleeting forms of the world, but come close to its eternal being, which is ineffable beauty.

    Some seek for the evidence of spiritual truth in the outside world. In this quest one may stumble upon ghosts or some super-sensual phenomenon of nature, but these do not lead us to spiritual truth, as new words in a dictionary do not give us literature.




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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22189794 - 09/04/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

First off I said it was my belief, my comment was not personalised at anyone and was also light in any respect.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
    #22191448 - 09/05/15 05:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well I believe it is a pretty vacuous belief.


In response to the op,

Spirituality is life, and anything that has to with living.


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1.
having life; being alive; not dead:
living persons.
2.
in actual existence or use; extant:
living languages.
3.
active or thriving; vigorous; strong:
a living faith.
4.
burning or glowing, as a coal.
5.
flowing freely, as water.
6.
pertaining to, suitable for, or sufficient for existence or subsistence:
living conditions; a living wage.
7.
of or relating to living persons:
within living memory.




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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: zZZz]
    #22191683 - 09/05/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's overly sensitive of you to say..


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
    #22192990 - 09/05/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I wonder at the degree of the quality and color of light we have fabricated through existence..We receive light by the carrying of Photons..which are in Arrays..and thats how we get our existence.. Because we are dependent on the(Vernal)Sun(autumnal).. Reasons to believe..is a carrying case to the Lord...which in good comedy is a nuance in the disaster of time...we merge with nature..but it has powerful elements..to understand that and control..is the objective of spirituality...to attain power and immortality..and the Mason Control..system..is based on big science...Charts..and Maps..Tabernacles..from the Moon(Church)..or Cathedrals..Beautiful Designs..!


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #22206134 - 09/08/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If it's about our place in the universe, isnt it true that we have no place? That it's just us thinking we have some kind of role in it?


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22206878 - 09/08/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If it's about our place in the universe, isnt it true that we have no place? That it's just us thinking we have some kind of role in it?



I don't know how you could suggest that we have no place in the universe. I don't pretend to fully understand how it all works but I'm pretty damned sure I have a place in the universe. I have a consciouness that can observe it and my intellect tells me that my body is composed of the stuff of the universe.

I'd say that tells me pretty loud and clear that I have a place here.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #22207084 - 09/08/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Meaninglessness and non-eternal visions of personal consciousness are very convincing positions, especially without the data of things like out of body experience. :justdontknow: Can't blame anyone for having that position, but maybe if they deliberately choose to be more sensitive to life they will gradually build evidence for a more optimistic position.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: circastes]
    #22207161 - 09/08/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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maybe if they deliberately choose to be more sensitive to life they will gradually build evidence for a more optimistic position.



I think that's a really good point man.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22207226 - 09/08/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, good post circastes :smile:


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: deff]
    #22207686 - 09/08/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

More sensitive to life? What does that mean?


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22207821 - 09/08/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If it's about our place in the universe, isnt it true that we have no place? That it's just us thinking we have some kind of role in it?




if that were the case you'd just be walking the earth not caring about anything, like whether you live or die, you wouldnt even bother thinking about death or life. you'd just go about ur life living.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #22207876 - 09/08/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What does that mean?



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Thanatos10 said:
What does that mean?



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Thanatos10 said:
What does that mean?



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Thanatos10 said:
What does that mean?



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Thanatos10 said:
What does that mean?



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Thanatos10 said:
What does that mean?




WHY!?!??


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22207891 - 09/08/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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More sensitive to life? What does that mean?




If everything is, as you say in all these threads, so ultimately meaningless, then what is it, exactly, that is keeping you from killing yourself?


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22207900 - 09/08/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

MORE

noun
3.
an additional quantity, amount, or number:
I would give you more if I had it. He likes her all the more. When I could take no more of such nonsense, I left.
4.
a greater quantity, amount, or degree:
More is expected of him. The price is more than I thought.
5.
something of greater importance:
His report is more than a survey.
6.
(used with a plural verb) a greater number of a class specified, or the greater number of persons:
More will attend this year than ever before.


SENSITIVE

adjective
1.
endowed with sensation; having perception through the senses.
2.
readily or excessively affected by external agencies or influences.
3.
having acute mental or emotional sensibility; aware of and responsive to the feelings of others.
4.
easily pained, annoyed, etc.
5.
pertaining to or connected with the senses or sensation.
6.
Physiology. having a low threshold of sensation or feeling.
7.
responding to stimuli, as leaves that move when touched.


LIFE

noun
1.
the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.
2.
the sum of the distinguishing phenomena of organisms, especially metabolism, growth, reproduction, and adaptation to environment.
3.
the animate existence or period of animate existence of an individual:
to risk one's life; a short life and a merry one.
4.
a corresponding state, existence, or principle of existence conceived of as belonging to the soul:
eternal life.
5.
the general or universal condition of human existence:
Too bad, but life is like that.
6.
any specified period of animate existence:
a man in middle life.
7.
the period of existence, activity, or effectiveness of something inanimate, as a machine, lease, or play:
The life of the car may be ten years.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22207906 - 09/08/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This stuff isn't rocket science Thantos.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: circastes]
    #22208018 - 09/08/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

A meaningless existence can still be an optimistic position.

The universe is evidently not supportive of life, hence why we seem to be the only life out here. Space is hostile and unforgiving, there are planets that rain diamonds or molten iron, planets with winds of several thousands kilometers, places you'll freeze to death instantly or be vaporised into a plasma.

When I look at all that is in the universe and all the hostility is represents I am grateful to have won the lottery of the universe and that we have been given a chance to live.

I am optimistic in a meaningless universe because I am grateful to be alive, I don't take my life for granted and I don't expect it to be eternal.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
    #22208059 - 09/08/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The universe is evidently not supportive of life, hence why we seem to be the only life out here.



That's an extremely uninformed statement sudly. Considering we have only explained the tiniest fraction of the known universe, I can't understand why you would jump to that conclusion.

It's the equivalent of exploring a deserted field in the middle of the countryside only to exclaim 'yep, there's some insects here but there but I seem to be the only human in existence!'


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22208073 - 09/08/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

okay then, evidently not 'very' supportive of life.

It's pretty easy to jump to the conclusion that life is not easily supported outside of earth when we've already analyzed the light from various planets and stars that are visible to us.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
    #22208104 - 09/08/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I dunno man, have you seen just how BIG it is out there?


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22208114 - 09/08/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Obviously I haven't seen all of it but I've seen enough to know how lucky we all are to be alive.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22208120 - 09/08/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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More sensitive to life? What does that mean?




If everything is, as you say in all these threads, so ultimately meaningless, then what is it, exactly, that is keeping you from killing yourself?




Because suicide hurts


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22208423 - 09/08/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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This stuff isn't rocket science Thantos.




Apparently it is since none of that explains what he meant about being more sensitive to life


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22208546 - 09/08/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

a greater quantity, amount, or degree OF having acute mental or emotional sensibility TO the general or universal condition of human existence

Anyone else agree that this is what circastes was suggesting? I wanna make sure I make it unambiguous for Thantos who apparently cannot think for his/herself.

p.s Thantos, if you ask what the 'universal condition of human existence' is (I think you're quite aware), I'm sorry to say that I'm gonna have to put you on ignore. I've managed nearly 5 years here without doing that once. Please don't push me into taking that course of action.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22208707 - 09/08/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
More sensitive to life? What does that mean?




If everything is, as you say in all these threads, so ultimately meaningless, then what is it, exactly, that is keeping you from killing yourself?




Because suicide hurts




But pain is meaningless.  You knew that, silly!


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22208882 - 09/08/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
More sensitive to life? What does that mean?




If everything is, as you say in all these threads, so ultimately meaningless, then what is it, exactly, that is keeping you from killing yourself?




Because suicide hurts




But pain is meaningless.  You knew that, silly!




Pain still hurts no matter what meaning or lack thereof it has. Aside from that I don't know why I'm still alive.

As for being more sensitive to life, that's a pretty vague and open statement. That's why I don't get it, sensitive how and in what sense? I'm trying to get a grasp of what you mean exactly. You speak of these things as if I know what they are to begin with. You assume I know when I don't. That's why I'm asking what you mean.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22209038 - 09/08/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No one knows what they are to begin with Thantos. Those that have some idea have put in a huge amount of effort to find out IME. Read books, meditate, take a psychedelic journey, but most of all keep your mind clear and sharp and free of preconceptions and it WILL come to you.

You're not gonna get the answers you need here.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22209209 - 09/08/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sigh, sounds like it's all chalked up to life experience I guess. I suppose i will continue meditation


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22209258 - 09/08/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Sigh, sounds like it's all chalked up to life experience I guess.



Spot on. Thank you for saying that; it's the most logical thing I've heard you say in your time here.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
    #22209761 - 09/08/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Start looking in you will find it. It cannot be thought, it cannot be sensed, it cannot be said, it's what you are, it's what everything is. It's the one constant you've experienced all your life. It's a filling emptiness that never runs out.
Fear of the conscious mind will have you looking away. Where does "I" sit within you?



To experience the spiritual and all it has to offer you kinda got to turn into love and compassion. Make no judgements in your mind about things or people being good or bad. Make your mind still. Worry/anxiety crushes the gate of your mind when that's all you experience all day. Go beyond your suffering. The idea that you're just an I is what holds you back.


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Come and I will tell you the perfect Tâo. Its essence is (surrounded with) the deepest obscurity; its highest reach is in darkness and silence. There is nothing to be seen; nothing to be heard. When it holds the spirit in its arms in stillness, then the bodily form of itself will become correct.

You must be still; you must be pure; not subjecting your body to toil, not agitating your vital force;-- then you may live for long. When your eyes see nothing, your ears hear nothing, and your mind knows nothing, your spirit will keep your body, and the body will live long.

Watch over what is within you, shut up the avenues that connect you with what is external;-- much knowledge is pernicious. I (will) proceed with you to the summit of the Grand Brilliance, where we come to the source of the bright and expanding (element);

; I will enter with you the gate of the Deepest Obscurity, where we come to the source of the dark and repressing (element). There heaven and earth have their controllers; there the Yin and Yang have their Repositories.

Watch over and keep your body, and all things will of themselves give it vigour. I maintain the (original) unity (of these elements), and dwell in the harmony of them





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(The perfect Tâo) is something inexhaustible, and yet men all think it has an end; it is something unfathomable, and yet men all think its extreme limit can be reached. He who attains to my Tâo, if he be in a high position, will be one of the August ones, and in a low position, will be a king.

He who fails in attaining it, in his highest attainment will see the light, but will descend and be of the Earth. At present all things are produced from the Earth and return to the Earth.

Therefore I will leave you, and enter the gate of the Unending, to enjoy myself in the fields of the Illimitable. I will blend my light with that of the sun and moon, and will endure while heaven and earth endure. If men agree with my views, I will be unconscious of it; if they keep far apart from them, I will be unconscious of it; they may all die, and I will abide alone!'





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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22209981 - 09/08/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Make no judgments in your mind about things or people being good or bad.




I hope you've read my signature.

You haven't made a point at all, you've just told me to look inwards and stop being anxious? You may as well tell someone to stop having cancer or to stop being sick.

I don't fear my conscious mind and "I" sits well with me, it represents to me my own individuality as it is I who holds it.

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The idea that you're just an I is what holds you back.



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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
    #22210305 - 09/09/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Make no judgments in your mind about things or people being good or bad.




I hope you've read my signature.

You haven't made a point at all, you've just told me to look inwards and stop being anxious? You may as well tell someone to stop having cancer or to stop being sick.

I don't fear my conscious mind and "I" sits well with me, it represents to me my own individuality as it is I who holds it.

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The idea that you're just an I is what holds you back.



sense made = 0




(I'm not saying I'm right or know anything I'm just saying for a long time I thought it was all nonsense too.)
Believe it or not anxiety is something you do to yourself when you try to escape the feeling because you've labeled it as something to be avoided.
Once you accept it as gladly as you would joy it goes away. I had it most my life constantly then one day it stopped after I started doing self-inquiry and meditation.
Does your mind drown in thoughts thinking about what happened 5 seconds ago or what is going to happen 5 seconds from now? Or is it silent?

Yes this stuff is very hard to understand that is why no one understands it:lol:
I was a nihilist for 6 years and it wasn't till I smoked DMT for the first time that I started to understand this stuff. The biggest reason is because I took all of the stuff too literally and missed the fact that I came out of the earth. Basically I was a "stranger in a strange land" for most my life. Also I realized that everything that is and will ever be was once the same thing.
Don't take this too literally!

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He (the Atman), difficult to be seen, full of mystery,
the Ancient, primaeval one, concealed deep within,
He who, by yoga means of meditation on his self, comprehends Atman within him as God,
He leaves joy and sorrow far behind.

The seer (Atman, Self) is not born, nor does he die,
He does not originate from anybody, nor does he become anybody,
Eternal, ancient one, he remains eternal,
he is not killed, even though the body is killed.

If the killer thinks that he kills,
if the killed thinks that he is killed,
they do not understand;
for this one does not kill, nor is that one killed.

The Self (Atman), smaller than small, greater than great,
is hidden in the heart of each creature,
Free from avarice, free from grief, peaceful and content,
he sees the supreme glory of Atman.

Rise, awake!
Having obtained these boons, understand them!
Like the Razor's sharp edge is difficult to traverse,
The path to one's Self is difficult.
—Katha Upanishad





When you get amnesia who will be there? When you dream who is there? If you would of been born 100 years in the future or past who would be there?

Song is brutal but deals with what I'm talking about



What fool are ye!
From zenith to nadir
Through externalized purity
Dexterity
Sealed ye gates ov your own paradise
Skakti, Kali Ma, Durga Ma
Thou art pure in Thy sinistry

For those who cannot see
The Unconditioned One!
Creatrix, Matrix, Devourer!

[Lead: Seth]

Thee who spits out sun
From thy mouth
In endless momentum -
Kamala's menstruum
On road to immortality
We go against current
To the womb ov Kali
Through the mouth ov Bhairavi
To the final dawn ov Chaos
How come we're still alive?
In these kingdoms ov filth
When heaven's so abstract
And hell is so real...


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    #22210353 - 09/09/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks captain obvious, I know that anxiety is a self sustained behavior.
That whole 'accepting' part does not happen overnight, maybe if you have drugs like DMT acceptance can come easier but when sober and in a normal state of mind, cognitive behaviors like anxiety are incredibly difficult to overcome or simply ignore.

The trick for overcoming anxiety is to accept/ignore the thoughts that are present and creating that anxiety.
It's an incredibly basic concept to understand but that doesn't mean it's an easy thing to do by any stretch of the imagination.

Theoretically everything was once the same thing if you count the big bang theory. Same for all organisms on earth if you hold evolution dear to your heart.

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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
    #22210382 - 09/09/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The idea that it isn't easy is what keeps it for being easy:awesomenod:

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    #22210416 - 09/09/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Okay cool, so how would you recommend an individual to overcome the instinctive reactions of anxiety their brain has to certain stimuli?


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
    #22210433 - 09/09/15 12:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Okay cool, so how would you recommend an individual to overcome the instinctive reactions of anxiety their brain has to certain stimuli?






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Description of the three principal types of thoughts and the cognitive neuroscience networks in which they occur; problematic thoughts from the default mode network, tasking thoughts in the task positive network, and problem solving that is done "off line".

Problematic thoughts can be largely eliminated by using nondual, self-inquiry, to reduce/eliminate the ego/I. This allows higher performance while doing tasks.

Most complex problem solving is done off-line by the "elephant" of billions of neurons and trillions of synapses that make up the high speed parallel processors and huge data storage of our brain. After the "elephant" solves the problem, it is sent to the on-line "rider"/press secretary, the "I", for broadcast and claiming credit.




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    #22210539 - 09/09/15 01:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
    #22211267 - 09/09/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Here's some information on archetypal images of religion.
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In the beginning, the perfect lawlessness of primordial Xaos ruined. The great Mother and Father of the depths were disgusted by the presence of the weaklings. The Father was imprisoned and the Son's blood spilled by the false god to create humankind. By cutting the Mother in half the weakling made the earth and the sky. The tablets of destiny foresaw that the false light will return to nothingness. Those awakened by blood and fire will use the names to resemble essences. It is unfeasible to kill the ancients.

From Xaos spawned the filthy cosmic anti-reality and to Xaos it shall return, for it is the same Xaos that surrounds the cosmic tyranny and it will slowly devour the world. Prometheus, Typhon and Hecate, Tiamat, Absu and Kingu's blood, Tanin'iver Lilith's seed, Semjaza's Geburim and countless other archetypical forces, serve similar spiritual purposes and the aim is single: to be reborn in acausal forms. Those who seek the divine light will find harmony by burning the cosmic barriers to ashes, reunite themselves with primordial Xaos and act as a nexion of forces in the cosmic tyranny, finally re-establishing fundamental Pan-dimensional freedom.


One must ruin his/her fictional mundane ego in order to illuminate the shade and comprehend that the cycle of life must end to experience the freedom of Pan-dimensionality. The Black Flame will then become the only visible light and Lucifer will become the anti-cosmic Prometheus who brings this light to the awakened.


In the Qliphotic tradition, one can achieve communication with the unconscious through Daath, where the conscious ego becomes irrelevant and unidentifiable. The 11 A formula of Daath, used in order to aid the summoning of Chavajoth and open the gate to Sitra Ahra, uniting the 11 into 1.

The first illusion that must be destroyed is the restricted I ((archetypically being assigned with the false gods of light i.e Zeus, Odin, Marduk, Ra, Ahura Mazda and so forth)). This will aid the ultimate salvation of the black flame, eventually arriving to its final destination, the primordial acausal source, the beginning of the end ((Tiamat)).

World's order in relation with the cosmic laws have been regarded as the moral/righteous ways of obtaining self-realization, while anti-cosmic, Xaotic forces lie dormant in the core of the unconscious, waiting to be unleashed by misusing the seven Arkona aeons.

Most of humans need a manual in order to function because they are products, lifeless and meaningless. They need the bible, the well written commandments, the idols to follow and obey with their well constructed ideas, they need something superior because they feel and they know that they are inferior. No matter what the mundanes follow, no matter in which side they are, they are still followers waiting to be swallowed by Xaos, while my Serpent Self is open waiting to experience the freedom of Pan-dimensionality. The Nexions are wide open for Xaos to flow.





These ideas are pretty old and have been mostly pasted on through occult traditions. I know a lot of it is "wooy" but it works.
Serpents coiled like DNA appear throughout history.
Could be a coincidence but I've seen it too in visions while meditating under the influence of psychedelics. The visions I have completely consumes me and I don't just experience them I become them. It's also like they're happening with or without me. I have little control over what I'm seeing so it happens on it's own without me really doing anything.
Elaborate visions of microcosms DNA/molecules all that stuff appears as an elaborate organic clockwork. Very hard to describe. 




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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22211476 - 09/09/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The idea that it isn't easy is what keeps it for being easy:awesomenod:

This is a classic





Maybe because the reality of it is that it's not easy. Thinking it will be easy doesn't make it any easier.


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    #22211478 - 09/09/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Also a lot of what you have stated does sound too wooy to believe.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22211672 - 09/09/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Also a lot of what you have stated does sound too wooy to believe.




Look through history and mythology it's all there if you can see it.
The ego is very invested in it's self and the idea that it exists.
As soon as you start peeling it away it will put up as much resistance as possible. The idea that it's not easy is the ego being incredulous.





It is that simple




Heru Ra Ha
Flaming tongue of art
Awake the lion's strength
Consumed by the ancient breath
Diffracted ray of Ra
Send me on thy wings
Devour all fears that I breed
And come, as I summon thee

IA TA BA ET
IA AZHI DA HA KA

Ra Hoor Khu
By ithyphallic spell
Skin illuminates deep within
I invoke thy names
Spirits ov the earth
Crush the slaves ov dog
Open the gates
Ov liberated will!

IA TA BA ET
IA AZHI DA HA KA

Heru Ra Ha
Let me see in the dark
Wisdom of which I fear not
And mute the weakness in my heart
Let there be might
Sothis raised we await
The Mighty One from above
Multitude of stars transform into God

IA TA BA ET
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    #22211760 - 09/09/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Again a lot is easier said than done


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22211802 - 09/09/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Again a lot is easier said than done



By saying this you're drinking to your own suffering :sad:

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Suffering is forgetting who you really are.

We suffer when we don’t see this completeness – this intimacy – within the present experience. When we don’t see that every wave that’s presently appearing is part of the ocean and therefore allowed in the ocean, we start trying to escape this moment to attempt to reach the next moment. We experience ourselves as not whole or somehow broken so we attempt to move away from this moment. In truth, that movement is not actually possible but we try anyway because that’s how we are programmed. We try to move away from this moment to get to the next moment, to tomorrow or next year or to ten years time. We start to use time to achieve this. This is the origin of suffering. We try to escape what’s happening now. We try to run away from aspects of our present experience. We try to escape these thoughts, sensations and feelings and get to a future place where things will be better. That’s the movement of suffering.

Within suffering you’ll always find seeking. Seeking is the basic mechanism behind all of our suffering. We label certain elements of experience ‘bad’ or ‘negative’ or ‘dark’ or ‘dangerous’ or ‘unhealthy’ and that’s because of our conditioning. We have been conditioned to label things as ‘fear’, ‘sadness’, ‘anger’, and do on, and to judge these as negative, or not-okay, or bad, or sinful – basically as expressions of incompleteness, as threats to completeness. Because we don’t seethe completeness in these waves, because we can’t find the ocean within these so-called ‘negative’ waves, we try to escape them and that movement ‘away from’ creates the suffering. Then we create stories and identities around this suffering: ‘Oh, I’m a victim of my suffering. I’m a victim of fear and pain! Why is this happening to me? How can I escape this experience?‘

Suffering is a great teacher. Maybe it’s the best teacher but we often don’t see that, because we don’t realise what suffering really is. Normally, we do all sorts of things to avoid, deny and numb our suffering. We take medication, drink alcohol or try to distract ourselves. Of course, there’s ultimately nothing with doing these things either! But suffering is always an opportunity; it’s an invitation to discover the completeness in what you are running away from. Which aspects of your experience right now are not okay? Which waves (thoughts, sensations, and feelings) of the ocean are being rejected right now? Which waves are not being seen as part of the ocean? Basically, what are you at war with? This is always the question that suffering leads you to.

Within the experience of suffering you’ll always find seeking. You can believe as much as you like that you’re not seeking, or that you are free from the self, but whenever there’s suffering there’s seeking. It’s the story of ‘me’ looking for something, escaping something; it’s the story of incompleteness or of feeling that there’s something wrong with you. So, the invitation – not a demand – is to take a look at what you are at war with right now. What’s the story? What are the images you are trying to hold up? What are you defending? What are you rejecting? What are you running away from? Look a little deeper. Perhaps these images of yourself are not who you really are. Maybe these stories don’t define you.

We suffer when we try to hold up images of ourselves – ‘I’m strong, I’m enlightened, I’m a success, I’m loving, I’m kind, I’m happy’ – which conflict with life as it is. And in the end, all images conflict with life as it is – no image can match this moment. This moment is the fire that burns up all images. In this moment there could be pain, sadness, fear –any image that says that what’s appearing shouldn’t be appearing, that you should be happy, or free from pain, is a false image.





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"There is a simple inquiry for dealing with denial and projection. When something is bothering you and it brings you into conflict with some object - the most common is another person, although you can imagine you are at war with the society, the government, the church, the corporations, the weather the list is endless - you ask yourself if it is true that one of the hooks for these projections is actually responsible for your bad feelings.

Of course your ego is going to say that it is. The ego has a vested interest in it's projections. Projections protect it and keep it in business. They bolster it's self-esteem, it's sense of rightness. It needs to think that it is innocent. Actually it is innocent insofar as it is actually self. Unfortunately, Maya(illusion) has seen to it that it does not know the truth of it's nature and it thinks it is a person because it is conditioned by society; nothing projects like a group of individuals. Societies have ready-made enemies at their fingertips. Hitler had the Jews, Stalin the petty bourgeois capitalists, the Christians Satan, whites the blacks, husbands wives and wives husbands.
We need someone to blame. I cannon be the problem. But the truth is: I am the problem. There is no problem apart from me.

This method takes the ego into account and asks "Is it really true that..."
Sometimes it is true that the world is out to get you. So you need to look at the facts closely and see if it is reasonable to assume that the problem lies elsewhere. Not all problems are caused by the world. In fact, very few problems are centered on objects. Even if an object is causing the problem, is it really a problem apart from the thought that it is a problem? If it isn't, then all problems ultimately belong to me.

In the third stage of this inquiry you go a bit deeper. You inquire into the reason you have the problem. You say "who would I be without this belief?"
This is the hard part because this is where you discover that the problem is essential to your identity. The answers always is "I would be happy"






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There is one more sentence after brahma satyam jagan mithya. It is: jivo brahmaiva naparah.
It means "the jiva and brahman are non-different." Put simply, it means that the consciousness that I am is not different from the consciousness in everything or the consciousness that is everything.
I can know that I am consciousnesses and that the world is not real/illusionary but what about my relationship to other consciousness? There are no other consciousnesses.
The consciousness appearing as a plant, animal, microbe or any other human being is exactly the same consciousness that I am.
Appreciation of this fact basically removes all conflict because it allows me to identify with all life. It is the basis of compassion.
If I can identify with you I will not have problems with you. I will treat you as I treat myself - with love. It reveals the fact that love, which is the nature of the self and manifests as identification with objects, is the only valid response to any object, animate or inanimate.
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    #22211841 - 09/09/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I guess there are multiple ways of looking at it. But this is how I would define spirituality

I wake up every morning and I am absoltely disgusted at times. How is it that I was forced into this sick twisted world? In underdeveloped countries we have child soldiers, sex slaves, lack of clean water, improper nutrition, and a broken family structure. And even in the first world countries, we have obesity, illness, sickness, stress, etc.
Whether you aree rich or poor, no matter what, you are still susceptible to pain, illness, and sickness. Suffering is the bread and butter of life
And the question is; "Is there something more to life than this?"
Many say no. So then we keep our foot on the gas till we run out. Continue to bounce from fleeting sensation to fleeting sensation. Pop a molly, eat junk food, get drunk, fuck women etc. This is how many treat life
If someone says "yes". "Yes there is more to life than bouncing from pleasure to pleasure and ENDLESS suffering". Then that person is spiritual


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    #22211916 - 09/09/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's a great post, topdog. :thumbup:


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    #22211921 - 09/09/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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That's a great post, topdog. :thumbup:



Thanks. I have a lot of personal writings, and I was thinking about posting it on here now and then. I may even publish it via kindle. Good to see someone appreaciates :thumbup:


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22211922 - 09/09/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanatos my dude.

The answer to this question can be found in the other two threads that I responded to you in.


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    #22212384 - 09/09/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
Again a lot is easier said than done



By saying this you're drinking to your own suffering :sad:

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Suffering is forgetting who you really are.

We suffer when we don’t see this completeness – this intimacy – within the present experience. When we don’t see that every wave that’s presently appearing is part of the ocean and therefore allowed in the ocean, we start trying to escape this moment to attempt to reach the next moment. We experience ourselves as not whole or somehow broken so we attempt to move away from this moment. In truth, that movement is not actually possible but we try anyway because that’s how we are programmed. We try to move away from this moment to get to the next moment, to tomorrow or next year or to ten years time. We start to use time to achieve this. This is the origin of suffering. We try to escape what’s happening now. We try to run away from aspects of our present experience. We try to escape these thoughts, sensations and feelings and get to a future place where things will be better. That’s the movement of suffering.

Within suffering you’ll always find seeking. Seeking is the basic mechanism behind all of our suffering. We label certain elements of experience ‘bad’ or ‘negative’ or ‘dark’ or ‘dangerous’ or ‘unhealthy’ and that’s because of our conditioning. We have been conditioned to label things as ‘fear’, ‘sadness’, ‘anger’, and do on, and to judge these as negative, or not-okay, or bad, or sinful – basically as expressions of incompleteness, as threats to completeness. Because we don’t seethe completeness in these waves, because we can’t find the ocean within these so-called ‘negative’ waves, we try to escape them and that movement ‘away from’ creates the suffering. Then we create stories and identities around this suffering: ‘Oh, I’m a victim of my suffering. I’m a victim of fear and pain! Why is this happening to me? How can I escape this experience?‘

Suffering is a great teacher. Maybe it’s the best teacher but we often don’t see that, because we don’t realise what suffering really is. Normally, we do all sorts of things to avoid, deny and numb our suffering. We take medication, drink alcohol or try to distract ourselves. Of course, there’s ultimately nothing with doing these things either! But suffering is always an opportunity; it’s an invitation to discover the completeness in what you are running away from. Which aspects of your experience right now are not okay? Which waves (thoughts, sensations, and feelings) of the ocean are being rejected right now? Which waves are not being seen as part of the ocean? Basically, what are you at war with? This is always the question that suffering leads you to.

Within the experience of suffering you’ll always find seeking. You can believe as much as you like that you’re not seeking, or that you are free from the self, but whenever there’s suffering there’s seeking. It’s the story of ‘me’ looking for something, escaping something; it’s the story of incompleteness or of feeling that there’s something wrong with you. So, the invitation – not a demand – is to take a look at what you are at war with right now. What’s the story? What are the images you are trying to hold up? What are you defending? What are you rejecting? What are you running away from? Look a little deeper. Perhaps these images of yourself are not who you really are. Maybe these stories don’t define you.

We suffer when we try to hold up images of ourselves – ‘I’m strong, I’m enlightened, I’m a success, I’m loving, I’m kind, I’m happy’ – which conflict with life as it is. And in the end, all images conflict with life as it is – no image can match this moment. This moment is the fire that burns up all images. In this moment there could be pain, sadness, fear –any image that says that what’s appearing shouldn’t be appearing, that you should be happy, or free from pain, is a false image.





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"There is a simple inquiry for dealing with denial and projection. When something is bothering you and it brings you into conflict with some object - the most common is another person, although you can imagine you are at war with the society, the government, the church, the corporations, the weather the list is endless - you ask yourself if it is true that one of the hooks for these projections is actually responsible for your bad feelings.

Of course your ego is going to say that it is. The ego has a vested interest in it's projections. Projections protect it and keep it in business. They bolster it's self-esteem, it's sense of rightness. It needs to think that it is innocent. Actually it is innocent insofar as it is actually self. Unfortunately, Maya(illusion) has seen to it that it does not know the truth of it's nature and it thinks it is a person because it is conditioned by society; nothing projects like a group of individuals. Societies have ready-made enemies at their fingertips. Hitler had the Jews, Stalin the petty bourgeois capitalists, the Christians Satan, whites the blacks, husbands wives and wives husbands.
We need someone to blame. I cannon be the problem. But the truth is: I am the problem. There is no problem apart from me.

This method takes the ego into account and asks "Is it really true that..."
Sometimes it is true that the world is out to get you. So you need to look at the facts closely and see if it is reasonable to assume that the problem lies elsewhere. Not all problems are caused by the world. In fact, very few problems are centered on objects. Even if an object is causing the problem, is it really a problem apart from the thought that it is a problem? If it isn't, then all problems ultimately belong to me.

In the third stage of this inquiry you go a bit deeper. You inquire into the reason you have the problem. You say "who would I be without this belief?"
This is the hard part because this is where you discover that the problem is essential to your identity. The answers always is "I would be happy"






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There is one more sentence after brahma satyam jagan mithya. It is: jivo brahmaiva naparah.
It means "the jiva and brahman are non-different." Put simply, it means that the consciousness that I am is not different from the consciousness in everything or the consciousness that is everything.
I can know that I am consciousnesses and that the world is not real/illusionary but what about my relationship to other consciousness? There are no other consciousnesses.
The consciousness appearing as a plant, animal, microbe or any other human being is exactly the same consciousness that I am.
Appreciation of this fact basically removes all conflict because it allows me to identify with all life. It is the basis of compassion.
If I can identify with you I will not have problems with you. I will treat you as I treat myself - with love. It reveals the fact that love, which is the nature of the self and manifests as identification with objects, is the only valid response to any object, animate or inanimate.
Electricity manifest as sound in a radio, heat in a heater, and light in a bulb, but all are just one electricity flowing through different instruments. 







The flaw in your last paragraph is treating others are you treat yourself. You assume love is the default. But for me I have only treated myself with dislike and hate, and it shows when I interact with people. But not with animals, with them it's always different.


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    #22212459 - 09/09/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Spirituality, to me, is...
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    #22212671 - 09/09/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So you never actually answered my question, you just posted a video link.
I'd like to know in your own words, as you understand it, how to overcome anxiety. How to easily overcome mental struggles.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
    #22214961 - 09/09/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's OK guys I only speak lies. Do not believe a word I say :awesomenod:

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The flaw in your last paragraph is treating others are you treat yourself. You assume love is the default. But for me I have only treated myself with dislike and hate, and it shows when I interact with people. But not with animals, with them it's always different.




As soon as you stop self abusing in your head you will see. Instead of thinking oh fuck it's all fucked I'm fucked the world's fucked burn it all
Try thinking it'll be OK and drop it(self-inquiry is extremely important too). It's taken me some months to get to this point but the difference was almost immediate.
I mean really it takes no work at all just a little persistent and you will start seeing everything differently without really doing anything.
Does any of the other stuff make sense? Those two quotes are pretty important for understanding the last one.
The world transforms.

Love and compassion is nature for humans but because we have become civilized the ego(I) came into play so our lower emotions have taken over. Alienation(the feeling that you have nothing in common with anyone and are forever alone, far more common than you would think, it's what keeps you from having fulfilling relationships/friends), guilt, shame, fear, and anxiety.
I learned these bad habits from my parents(don't blame them where do you think they learned theirs?) of self abuse calling myself dumb everything I make a small mistake then turning it into the end of the world while I spiral down a pit of endless depression, disappear, anxiety, and hatred.

With all this insight gained into myself I can actually read other people and be conformable talking to anyone. One day I woke up and my life long anxiety was fucking gone and I was at peace for the first time ever. Then I went to work and..... WAS STILL AT PEACE


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    #22216186 - 09/10/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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That's OK guys I only speak lies. Do not believe a word I say :awesomenod:

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The flaw in your last paragraph is treating others are you treat yourself. You assume love is the default. But for me I have only treated myself with dislike and hate, and it shows when I interact with people. But not with animals, with them it's always different.




As soon as you stop self abusing in your head you will see. Instead of thinking oh fuck it's all fucked I'm fucked the world's fucked burn it all
Try thinking it'll be OK and drop it(self-inquiry is extremely important too). It's taken me some months to get to this point but the difference was almost immediate.
I mean really it takes no work at all just a little persistent and you will start seeing everything differently without really doing anything.
Does any of the other stuff make sense? Those two quotes are pretty important for understanding the last one.
The world transforms.

Love and compassion is nature for humans but because we have become civilized the ego(I) came into play so our lower emotions have taken over. Alienation(the feeling that you have nothing in common with anyone and are forever alone, far more common than you would think, it's what keeps you from having fulfilling relationships/friends), guilt, shame, fear, and anxiety.
I learned these bad habits from my parents(don't blame them where do you think they learned theirs?) of self abuse calling myself dumb everything I make a small mistake then turning it into the end of the world while I spiral down a pit of endless depression, disappear, anxiety, and hatred.

With all this insight gained into myself I can actually read other people and be conformable talking to anyone. One day I woke up and my life long anxiety was fucking gone and I was at peace for the first time ever. Then I went to work and..... WAS STILL AT PEACE




How can you be sure love and compassion are the baseline? What if they are not? As far as I can remember I have always disliked myself, and it's not as easy as saying stop it. It just doesn't work that way. Maybe our intense dislike for each other is natural for humans. It explains the many conflicts over history and certain bloody groups.

You assume love and compassion are the baseline without anything to back it up besides just some words. Like I said, I've disliked myself in spite of growing up with nothing that would cause it. So love can't possibly be the baseline for humans.


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    #22216386 - 09/10/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

spirituality is whatever you make it next question


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    #22216449 - 09/10/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You will never convince Thanatos with anything.

I have come to realize that this has all just been a waste of time.

Figure it out for yourself dude.

You don't take in anything anyone has to say and you always have a question following the responses after reading. I get that questioning everything is a good way of thinking, but this has gone far enough.

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    #22216464 - 09/10/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't need to convince anyone or anything I am a master one of many we define our own reality's every aspect spirituality is what you make it so is everything else funny thing about absolute truths everyone has no choice but to learn them


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    #22216466 - 09/10/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You will never convince Thanatos with anything.

I have come to realize that this has all just been a waste of time.

Figure it out for yourself dude.

You don't take in anything anyone has to say and you always have a question following the responses after reading. I get that questioning everything is a good way of thinking, but this has gone far enough.

ffs shut up!




Yes yes yes especially:

I have come to realize that this has all just been a waste of time.

I figured that out a long time ago.  I tried to tell people, but to no avail.  There is nothing we can do for Thanatos, s/he just has to go away and leave us alone.  Nothing -- nothing is getting through.  Experience is the only thing that will change anything.  Let's just stop.


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    #22216476 - 09/10/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

you waste your time that's a shame


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: cosmicg]
    #22216536 - 09/10/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Because spirituality is just so vague. Everyone has their own version of what it means.

As for eggtimer, I don't think it's as simple as just getting over it.

As for your answers in my previous posts, I don't see how that has to do with spirituality.


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    #22216661 - 09/10/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I just don't understand why I choose pain over getting better. It's like I want it to stop, but when I get into it I end up trying to sabotage myself and just cause more pain for me.


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    #22216969 - 09/10/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I have come to realize that this has all just been a waste of time.



Yeah, I have been hoping it wouldn't come to that. But you're right, I think it has.

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Let's just stop.



That, DQ, is a bloody fine plan. I'm in.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22217772 - 09/10/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Because spirituality is just so vague. Everyone has their own version of what it means.

As for eggtimer, I don't think it's as simple as just getting over it.

As for your answers in my previous posts, I don't see how that has to do with spirituality.




It sounds like you're fishing for people to tell you that you're right and you don't want to actually listen to any of the stuff.

It's so simple but when you think you miss the simplicity in the natural state of being! I posted videos with the neurosciences behind them did you even watch?

By most people's standard I had a great childhood and should of been happy but I slowly realized while eliminating my bad thought habits that led me to utmost suffering came from things I had overlooked while I was young.
Your attitude always shines through you from body language. If you're avoiding people because you think they hate you and you hate them you're GOING TO HAVE A BAD TIME.

http://old.unipr.it/arpa/mirror/pubs/pdffiles/Gallese/Gallese-Goldman%201998.pdf
MIRROR NEURONS
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A new class of visuomotor neuron has been recently discovered in the monkey’s
premotor cortex: mirror neurons. These neurons respond both when a particular action
is performed by the recorded monkey and when the same action, performed by another
individual, is observed. Mirror neurons appear to form a cortical system matching
observation and execution of goal-related motor actions. Experimental evidence
suggests that a similar matching system also exists in humans. What might be the
functional role of this matching system? One possible function is to enable an organism
to detect certain mental states of observed conspecifics. This function might be part of,
or a precursor to, a more general mind-reading ability. Two different accounts of mind-
reading have been suggested. According to ‘theory theory’, mental states are
represented as inferred posits of a naive theory. According to ‘simulation theory(not that one)’, other
people’s mental states are represented by adopting their perspective: by tracking or
matching their states with resonant states of one’s own. The activity of mirror neurons,
and the fact that observers undergo motor facilitation in the same muscular groups as
those utilized by target agents, are findings that accord well with simulation theory but
would not be predicted by theory theory.





This is so true! maybe you missed it the first time



If spirituality is too touchy-feely for you try this.


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Yes yes yes especially:

I have come to realize that this has all just been a waste of time.

I figured that out a long time ago.  I tried to tell people, but to no avail.  There is nothing we can do for Thanatos, s/he just has to go away and leave us alone.  Nothing -- nothing is getting through.  Experience is the only thing that will change anything.  Let's just stop.




I agree but at the same time I was this person and the only reason I didn't think any of this stuff was real is because I had never experienced it or actually studied it. I've learned so much about the natural world certain things started to become apparent.
As the saying goes as above, so below

Flaming solar rage destroys the cage of lies...







Deceit, disease, decline, this virus contradicting reason and theology
Contrasting ideologies fuel the vehemence through the imaginations of humankind
They are a part of the same feral beast, whose venom drips from ivory fangs
Waiting to rend the vacillating mind, her feast is our collapse incarnate

This succubus sits perched on a throne of misconceptions
She lies in a stagnant pool of spiritual afterbirth
Pregnant with deception she spreads her wings
As we receive her miscarriages willingly
The abscesses of human thought grow as she rapes her mind of its reason

Hope, faith, hypocrisy, rebellion, contorted into lifestyle distortions
Are the spawn that become her paradigm abortions
She feeds her dead offspring to the masses, holy men and counter culture
Both convulse in hunger, reduced to pains of famine
They will tell you who to worship, and advise you who to hate
You have become the canvas upon which they scrape their paint

All paths of logic lead to some form of light
Needle feast hemorrhages try to rip reason from insight
Clots from the womb pour forth with tides of delusion
We have become lost in a sea of illusion

[Chorus:]
There is a path of light for those who aren't blinded by the lies that their fed
There are still minds in which logic and the divine have not departed
From malignant tongues forked in abhorrence
Their odium seeps piercingly into the common rationality
Kneel to the snake, kneel to the stake, either side breeds filth
Seek the knowledge you wish to gain and think for your fucking self

The wonder in the unknown, the infinite Scraped away by clawed hands in jagged grip
Perceive the sacrifice of common sense staked
Ways of thought that disguise true meaning
Deceiving distractions seizing our eyes and our minds
Leaving shrouds of divinity

Bleeding us of our foresight, leaving origins cauterized, these inconsistencies of thought
Shall reap their stench and tear us under
As we rot in withered tatters, decayed within mounds of ruin
We must ascend beyond these paradigms of hypocrisy
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22217922 - 09/10/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's just hard for me to think it can get better when I'm in the middle of it. I can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. I know I'm just looking for a silver bullet to cure my ails in an instant, but I'm starting to realize there is no such thing.

I just question everything because, like I said before, I'm extremely doubtful right now that I can get over this.


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    #22218020 - 09/10/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Or perhaps they disagree with what is being said. Just because someone is listening does not mean they have to agree.

You posted videos but were unable to articulate your personal understanding of what happened and therefore did not give an opinion on the videos you posted.
You have not summarised anything or made any points, you have led people on to different questions without answering any.

So far you have basically told people to get over it.

@Thanatos10 here's an article that might interest you.
http://www.vice.com/en_au/read/microdosing-psilocybin-depression-184?utm_source=vicefbanz


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
    #22218068 - 09/10/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's just hard for me to think it can get better when I'm in the middle of it. I can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. I know I'm just looking for a silver bullet to cure my ails in an instant, but I'm starting to realize there is no such thing.

I just question everything because, like I said before, I'm extremely doubtful right now that I can get over this.




This is like a obese/unhealthy person saying it's far too hard to eat healthy foods.
I just can't do it because I don't want to...
Diet/nutrition and sleep have a huge impact on how you feel. Shove shit in get shit out


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Or perhaps they disagree with what is being said. Just because someone is listening does not mean they have to agree.

You posted videos but were unable to articulate your personal understanding of what happened and therefore did not give an opinion on the videos you posted.
You have not summarised anything or made any points, you have led people on to different questions without answering any.

So far you have basically told people to get over it.




I already told you I'm lying. Since you still care I'm pretty sure I did put some of the ideas in my words in the post before this.
Why have a media rich internet if you're not going to use it?
Words cannot express this. No amount can explain what a strawberry taste like to someone who cannot taste.

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    #22218327 - 09/10/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Drug and brain interactions can explain the images you've seen.
The mental state induced by hallucinogens is not normally replicated in normal conscious living unless it's schizophrenia.

Again, you told people to think themselves out of cognitive behaviors/habits without expressing in any detail how it is done and what emotional mechanisms are at place.

Anxiety and panic attacks alike are emotional reactions to thoughts or feelings. This encompasses a wide variety of emotional triggers including jealousy, envy, fear, lust, confidence, self esteem, trust, love, care, anger,  etc.

Overcoming emotional turmoil is difficult to to do because identifying and labeling each of these emotions within ones self requires an exceptional level of focus.

Cognitive behavioral therapy and Dialectical behavior therapy are two such methods to deal with thought induced emotional instability.

Methods and practices of thought are described within the therapies to increase the individuals emotional self awareness and overall emotional intelligence.

If you want to overcome something without the intervention of drugs, these are the methods to be used. Not basic hope that things will get better because they won't if the individual doesn't know how to change their behaviors.


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    #22218574 - 09/10/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Drug and brain interactions can explain the images you've seen.
The mental state induced by hallucinogens is not normally replicated in normal conscious living unless it's schizophrenia.

Again, you told people to think themselves out of cognitive behaviors/habits without expressing in any detail how it is done and what emotional mechanisms are at place.

Anxiety and panic attacks alike are emotional reactions to thoughts or feelings. This encompasses a wide variety of emotional triggers including jealousy, envy, fear, lust, confidence, self esteem, trust, love, care, anger,  etc.

Overcoming emotional turmoil is difficult to to do because identifying and labeling each of these emotions within ones self requires an exceptional level of focus.

Cognitive behavioral therapy and Dialectical behavior therapy are two such methods to deal with thought induced emotional instability.

Methods and practices of thought are described within the therapies to increase the individuals emotional self awareness and overall emotional intelligence.

If you want to overcome something without the intervention of drugs, these are the methods to be used. Not basic hope that things will get better because they won't if the individual doesn't know how to change their behaviors.






Cognitive behavioral therapy is great.
It can be easier than that though. Self-inquiry is almost effortless and it gives you a silent space to look back at the self. Within this space is bliss beyond suffering, joy, and time. Time always flies for me. My work days end as fast as they start. 
Reading books and learning classical wisdom can transform your view too.



When you get down to it you are drugs. Drugs don't show you truth but they can be used as tools unlock the cosmic truth inside of you. It cannot be turned into words but must be experienced. You don't need drugs they just help but at some point you have to be willing to do some work on the self if you want to experience what they have to offer.
You assume that everything is just a "oops" function of smaller parts.
If you were an ant or looked at a newspaper with a magnifying glass you may only see dots. It's only when you can zoom out that you see it might be something more than the dots. In the end what point of view is right just dots, just pictures, both?
THIS VIDEO IS ABOUT A SCIENTIFIC CONCEPT THAT IS BETTER EXPLAINED BY THE VIDEO THAN ME
CELLULAR AUTOMATON SIMPLE RULES CREATE DIFFERENT COMPLEX OUTPUTS



When you get down to it DNA is a incredible , mind blogging, self replicating, self evolving storage media. It's all connected but the humans have lost the innate ability to connect by always looking out instead of in. 
This is what ketamine looks like up close. This doesn't mean anything but isn't it cute :lol:


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    #22219419 - 09/10/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think you're describing ego death, a generally drug induced experience. The kind of thing that requires years of meditation to achieve. I'm pretty sure ego death is a central idea in Buddhist philosophy too.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22219440 - 09/10/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

im starting to think op is just trollin or has some other intentions besides being legitimately curious about what spiritually really means :strokebeard:


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
    #22219450 - 09/10/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think you're describing ego death, a generally drug induced experience. The kind of thing that requires years of meditation to achieve. I'm pretty sure ego death is a central idea in Buddhist philosophy too.



I have had a near death experience. That in a sense was similar I guess. A moment where a disease was going to take my life, but by a stroke of luck, I managed to get out of it


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: topdog82]
    #22219659 - 09/11/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Self inquiry is akin to bashing your head against a well when you don't know the reasons behind your behavior. It could be in your subconscious, in which case self inquiry doesn't do much when it's below your awareness. I've been doing self inquiry and haven't really gotten much out of it, let alone the root of my problems.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22219785 - 09/11/15 01:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's helpful to try and practice being mindful of your triggers. Perhaps you could write our what or why it is that you feel like panicking at any given moment. After time it becomes easier to recognise and respond to emotions rather than quickly reacting.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
    #22220925 - 09/11/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It seems like quite a bit triggers it. Some of them are things that I used to love actually. That makes it hard to stay away from them. Is there a way to break the association?


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22222016 - 09/11/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Vague question I know but I have to start somewhere to get a grip on this. What is it though? I talk to people about it and get many different responses about what it is. How do you know when you have had a spiritual experience?

So far what I can recall was hearing voices as a child, they would call my name and sometimes they sounded like family. This went away after some time. I have had a few dreams that told the future as a teenager. Also the feeling when you're falling in a dream and crashing awake.

But the one memory I have is of battle. I remember everything fading to black and grey as the roar of battle dimmed, the banners and soldiers fading. Then a rush of bright light like coming out of a tunnel at full speed and I'm in the world again.

I can't seem to forget that, to this day it's still in my mind.




It is the ability to grasp the spiritual nature of all things, like a poet, they can see or describe the essence, the spirit of every things; it is perceived not through our physical senses, but from feelings that is from within.

2 Corinthians 4:18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.

2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Romans 2:29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

A Jew is not a person that is born from someone that is in the physical nature considered as a Jew, but it is someone that give God all of the praises or you can say, give Him all the glory for everything, and which the word Jew has derived from the word Judah, and Judah means praise. So in the Bible, God refers to the ones that are Jews, are the ones that gives Him all the glory like His servant Job. In order to understand the scriptures, you must read it in the spiritual nature, because perceiving it by the natural, kills the meaning. And so if anyone want to understand the scriptures, they need to find someone that knows how to interpret it like a poet.


Judah [N] [E] [H]
(praised, celebrated ),
http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/smiths-bible-dictionary/judah.html

The term "Jew" is derived from the name of Jacob's fourth son, Judah--Yehudah, in the Hebrew--and may have originally applied only to Judah's descendents, who comprised one of the twelve tribes of Israel.  http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/640221/jewish/What-is-the-Meaning-of-the-Name-Jew.htm


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22222131 - 09/11/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It seems like quite a bit triggers it. Some of them are things that I used to love actually. That makes it hard to stay away from them. Is there a way to break the association?




i doubt you'll really care to know anyway


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22222449 - 09/11/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The tough reality of it is that you need to become aware enough of your triggers not to react to them. To be able to tell when you are feeling a trigger and to basically ignore it.

Knowing that something is a definitive trigger makes it easier to avoid over time.

E.g. When you know a snake bites, you don't touch it.
When you know it's an emotional trigger, you don't contemplate it.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
    #22222519 - 09/11/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

dont waste ur time, the dude is just fishing


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #22223141 - 09/11/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The tough reality of it is that you need to become aware enough of your triggers not to react to them. To be able to tell when you are feeling a trigger and to basically ignore it.

Knowing that something is a definitive trigger makes it easier to avoid over time.

E.g. When you know a snake bites, you don't touch it.
When you know it's an emotional trigger, you don't contemplate it.




Hmm, sounds tricky. So if I do that enough I can break the association with the trigger? I like what was stated earlier about thoughts not being facts, that I don't have to take everything in my head seriously and to not fall into the trap of thinking I see reality as it is.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22223174 - 09/11/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This is a bit long but it's a more in depth explanation of how to do it in a TED talk by Guy Winch.
These are notes from his speech I took.

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- A speech by Guy Winch.
'How to practice emotional first aid' - Feb 16, 2015. TEDtalks.
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How much more we value of the body than the mind.

You have to cover a cut, we all know how to maintain physical health and have known it since being 5 years old. We learnt physical hygiene young.

But what about maintaining emotional hygiene.
Why is our physical health more important than our psychological health?
We sustain psychological injuries more than we receive physical ones. This includes emotional injuries like failure, rejection or loneliness. They can also get worse if we ignore then and they can dramatically impact our lives in many ways.
Even though there are scientifically proven techniques could use to treat these kind of psychological injuries, we don't.

"Oh you're feeling depressed? Just shake it off, it's all in your head."
Can you imagine saying that to someone with a broken leg, "Just walk it off, it's all in your leg".

Close the gap between physical and psychological health.

Loneliness creates a deep psychological wound than scrams our thinking, it makes us feel like the people around us care much less than they actually do. It makes us afraid to reach out and afraid of rejection.

Loneliness is defined purely subjectively, it depends solely on whether you feel emotionally or socially disconnected from those around you.

Loneliness kills people.
Loneliness is scientifically proven to be as damaging as cigarettes.

You can't treat a wound unless you know you're injured.

Different reactions to the same stimuli.
Our mind tricks us into believing something.

Are you aware of how your mind reacts to failure? You need to be, because if your mind tries to convince you you're incapable of something and you believe it then like those two toddlers you'll begin to feel helpless and you'll stop trying too soon or you won't try at all and then you'll be even more convinced you can't succeed. That's why so many people function below their actual potential.
Somewhere along the way, sometimes a single failure convinced them that they couldn't succeed and the believed it. Once we're convinced of something it's very hard to change our mind.

Our mind is hard to change once we become convinced. It might be natural to feel demoralised and defeated after you fail but you cannot allow yourself to become convinced you can't succeed. You have to fight feelings of helplessness. You have to gain control over the situation.  And you have to break this kind kf negative cycle before it begins.

Our minds and feelings are not the trustworthy friends we thought they were, they're more like a really moody friend who can be totally supportive one minute and real unpleasant the next.

Rejection is painful.
The worst things we say to ourselves. After being rejected someone might belittle themselves, how could a man/woman like that ever want me.

Would you tell that to a friend? If a friend was rejected would you tell them no one would ever want you?
That's not the kind of thing a friend says yet it's what people tell themselves every day. We all do, especially after a rejection. 
We start thinking of our faults and shortcomings, what we wish we were, what we wish we weren't, we call ourselves names maybe not as harshly but we all do it.
It's interesting that we do because our self esteem is already hurting. Why would we want to go and damage it even further? We wouldn't make a physical injury worse on purpose. You wouldn't get a cut on your arm and decide, "oh I know! I'm going to take a knife and see how much deeper I can make it".

We do this with psychological injuries all the time. Why?
Because of poor emotional hygiene. Because we don't prioritise our psychological health. We know from dozens of studies that when your self esteem is lower you are more vulnerable to stress and to anxiety that failure and rejection hurt more and It takes longer to recover from them.

So when you get rejected the first thing you should be doing is revive your self esteem not join fight club and beat it into a pulp.
When you are in emotional pain, treat yourself with the same compassion you would expect from a truly good friend.

We have to catch our unhealthy psychological habits and change them. One of the healthiest and most common is called rumination.
To ruminate means to choose over. Ruminating about unpleasant events can easily become a habit and it's a very costly one because by spending so much time focused on upsetting and negative thoughts you are putting yourself at risk of developing clinical depression. 
Alcoholism, eating disorders and even cardio vascular disease.

The problem is the urge to ruminate can feel really strong and really important so it's a difficult habit to stop. I know this for a fact. 

A 2 minute distraction can break the urge to ruminate.

You have to catch the urge to ruminate and distract yourself to break it.

So each time I had an upsetting or negative thought I forced myself to concentrate on something else until the urge passed. 

Battle negative thinking. 

Good things happen, you're more capable than you think.

Build emotional resilience to rejection.

If we began practicing emotional hygiene the quality of life could be improved.

If you become informed and change a few simple habits you can improve your quality of life.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #22223403 - 09/11/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I like what was stated earlier about thoughts not being facts, that I don't have to take everything in my head seriously and to not fall into the trap of thinking I see reality as it is.




I'm going to jump back in here for a sec and tell you that that is an excellent realization!  Alfred Korzybski, the great semanticist, said something that I think you might like: "The map is not the territory."  Alan Watts changed it to "The menu is not the meal."  Just realize that Nihilism is only one map, and if you don't like it, you can simply use another one!  Reality allows for that.

I think you would be doing yourself a great service if you stopped taking your thoughts so seriously.  Reality doesn't have to be just one thing -- in fact, it can be an infinite number of things.  Adopt or create any model of it you wish -- and then try another one. :smile:


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22226633 - 09/12/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

descended masters and ascended masters are amazing don't forget about the balanced masters they ride the grey waves and answer to no force they love both infinite light and infinite darkness and no matter which way the pendulum swings they rain supreme they have no limits that's where the magic happens because we have no religion no spiritual path we literaly carve our own best of both worlds but we arnt Hannah Montana hehehehahaha we are the maker of dreams the creater of worlds the rule breakers and makers the reality programers


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    #22226696 - 09/12/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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descended masters and ascended masters are amazing don't forget about the balanced masters they ride the grey waves and answer to no force they love both infinite light and infinite darkness and no matter which way the pendulum swings they rain supreme they have no limits that's where the magic happens because we have no religion no spiritual path we literaly carve our own best of both worlds but we arnt Hannah Montana hehehehahaha we are the maker of dreams the creater of worlds the rule breakers and makers the reality programers



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Drones, you destined dust eaters
This is your anecdote
You dwell in a state of hypnos
Lost in the illusion of being
Subsistence, survival, let us serve
Myth and reality altered
Samsara, your marked fate

Tyrants - we will tame you
Decipher - the codes and be free
Subservient - wanderers of this earth are

Ur-Nammu comes to lay his claim
Decree the fate of the dead
Like drones you are our slaves in rapture

Tyrants - we will tame you
Decipher - the codes and be free
Subservient - wanderers of this earth are

Thousand lies twisted around you
Serpentine lines cage the feeble minds

As the magickan leads the Drones
Ur Nammu's sons, mere skin on bones
Sink to E-Mumah
House of the exalted name
Manzat - sanctuary of Babylon
The Great Chamber with the seven gods
Greets the cold gaunt drones

Tyrants - we will tame you
Decipher - the codes and be free
Subservient - wanderers of this earth are

Thousand lies twisted around you
Serpentine lines cage the feeble minds

Drones, you destined dust eaters
This is your anecdote
You dwell in a state of hypnos
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22243577 - 09/15/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

peace is just as affordable as hate and injustice..its never anything more than just being honest to yourself..and in doing so you find justice from the people who need the truth as well...and so being honesty isnt just good for the soul and the micro person..but as in everything good at the macro essentials of existence..and that who you help in multiplied units..is of course true as well..compassion and empathy are routes and passageways the government of Salvation..to share is to be true..essential and charity is love..you can feel what other people are saying and doing..and that sense itself is part of your being..which is interconnected through the fabric of existence..The Soul is a Yoke of an Egg..and one day the egg cracked and out popped a Chocobo..


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