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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: shroominated]
    #22216449 - 09/10/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You will never convince Thanatos with anything.

I have come to realize that this has all just been a waste of time.

Figure it out for yourself dude.

You don't take in anything anyone has to say and you always have a question following the responses after reading. I get that questioning everything is a good way of thinking, but this has gone far enough.

ffs shut up!


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: cosmicg]
    #22216464 - 09/10/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't need to convince anyone or anything I am a master one of many we define our own reality's every aspect spirituality is what you make it so is everything else funny thing about absolute truths everyone has no choice but to learn them


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: cosmicg]
    #22216466 - 09/10/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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cosmicg said:
You will never convince Thanatos with anything.

I have come to realize that this has all just been a waste of time.

Figure it out for yourself dude.

You don't take in anything anyone has to say and you always have a question following the responses after reading. I get that questioning everything is a good way of thinking, but this has gone far enough.

ffs shut up!




Yes yes yes especially:

I have come to realize that this has all just been a waste of time.

I figured that out a long time ago.  I tried to tell people, but to no avail.  There is nothing we can do for Thanatos, s/he just has to go away and leave us alone.  Nothing -- nothing is getting through.  Experience is the only thing that will change anything.  Let's just stop.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22216476 - 09/10/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

you waste your time that's a shame


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: cosmicg]
    #22216536 - 09/10/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Because spirituality is just so vague. Everyone has their own version of what it means.

As for eggtimer, I don't think it's as simple as just getting over it.

As for your answers in my previous posts, I don't see how that has to do with spirituality.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22216661 - 09/10/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I just don't understand why I choose pain over getting better. It's like I want it to stop, but when I get into it I end up trying to sabotage myself and just cause more pain for me.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: cosmicg]
    #22216969 - 09/10/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I have come to realize that this has all just been a waste of time.



Yeah, I have been hoping it wouldn't come to that. But you're right, I think it has.

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Let's just stop.



That, DQ, is a bloody fine plan. I'm in.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22217772 - 09/10/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
Because spirituality is just so vague. Everyone has their own version of what it means.

As for eggtimer, I don't think it's as simple as just getting over it.

As for your answers in my previous posts, I don't see how that has to do with spirituality.




It sounds like you're fishing for people to tell you that you're right and you don't want to actually listen to any of the stuff.

It's so simple but when you think you miss the simplicity in the natural state of being! I posted videos with the neurosciences behind them did you even watch?

By most people's standard I had a great childhood and should of been happy but I slowly realized while eliminating my bad thought habits that led me to utmost suffering came from things I had overlooked while I was young.
Your attitude always shines through you from body language. If you're avoiding people because you think they hate you and you hate them you're GOING TO HAVE A BAD TIME.

http://old.unipr.it/arpa/mirror/pubs/pdffiles/Gallese/Gallese-Goldman%201998.pdf
MIRROR NEURONS
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A new class of visuomotor neuron has been recently discovered in the monkey’s
premotor cortex: mirror neurons. These neurons respond both when a particular action
is performed by the recorded monkey and when the same action, performed by another
individual, is observed. Mirror neurons appear to form a cortical system matching
observation and execution of goal-related motor actions. Experimental evidence
suggests that a similar matching system also exists in humans. What might be the
functional role of this matching system? One possible function is to enable an organism
to detect certain mental states of observed conspecifics. This function might be part of,
or a precursor to, a more general mind-reading ability. Two different accounts of mind-
reading have been suggested. According to ‘theory theory’, mental states are
represented as inferred posits of a naive theory. According to ‘simulation theory(not that one)’, other
people’s mental states are represented by adopting their perspective: by tracking or
matching their states with resonant states of one’s own. The activity of mirror neurons,
and the fact that observers undergo motor facilitation in the same muscular groups as
those utilized by target agents, are findings that accord well with simulation theory but
would not be predicted by theory theory.





This is so true! maybe you missed it the first time



If spirituality is too touchy-feely for you try this.


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Yes yes yes especially:

I have come to realize that this has all just been a waste of time.

I figured that out a long time ago.  I tried to tell people, but to no avail.  There is nothing we can do for Thanatos, s/he just has to go away and leave us alone.  Nothing -- nothing is getting through.  Experience is the only thing that will change anything.  Let's just stop.




I agree but at the same time I was this person and the only reason I didn't think any of this stuff was real is because I had never experienced it or actually studied it. I've learned so much about the natural world certain things started to become apparent.
As the saying goes as above, so below

Flaming solar rage destroys the cage of lies...







Deceit, disease, decline, this virus contradicting reason and theology
Contrasting ideologies fuel the vehemence through the imaginations of humankind
They are a part of the same feral beast, whose venom drips from ivory fangs
Waiting to rend the vacillating mind, her feast is our collapse incarnate

This succubus sits perched on a throne of misconceptions
She lies in a stagnant pool of spiritual afterbirth
Pregnant with deception she spreads her wings
As we receive her miscarriages willingly
The abscesses of human thought grow as she rapes her mind of its reason

Hope, faith, hypocrisy, rebellion, contorted into lifestyle distortions
Are the spawn that become her paradigm abortions
She feeds her dead offspring to the masses, holy men and counter culture
Both convulse in hunger, reduced to pains of famine
They will tell you who to worship, and advise you who to hate
You have become the canvas upon which they scrape their paint

All paths of logic lead to some form of light
Needle feast hemorrhages try to rip reason from insight
Clots from the womb pour forth with tides of delusion
We have become lost in a sea of illusion

[Chorus:]
There is a path of light for those who aren't blinded by the lies that their fed
There are still minds in which logic and the divine have not departed
From malignant tongues forked in abhorrence
Their odium seeps piercingly into the common rationality
Kneel to the snake, kneel to the stake, either side breeds filth
Seek the knowledge you wish to gain and think for your fucking self

The wonder in the unknown, the infinite Scraped away by clawed hands in jagged grip
Perceive the sacrifice of common sense staked
Ways of thought that disguise true meaning
Deceiving distractions seizing our eyes and our minds
Leaving shrouds of divinity

Bleeding us of our foresight, leaving origins cauterized, these inconsistencies of thought
Shall reap their stench and tear us under
As we rot in withered tatters, decayed within mounds of ruin
We must ascend beyond these paradigms of hypocrisy
For reason and insight are locked away in the enveloping patterns of destiny


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22217922 - 09/10/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's just hard for me to think it can get better when I'm in the middle of it. I can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. I know I'm just looking for a silver bullet to cure my ails in an instant, but I'm starting to realize there is no such thing.

I just question everything because, like I said before, I'm extremely doubtful right now that I can get over this.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22218020 - 09/10/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Or perhaps they disagree with what is being said. Just because someone is listening does not mean they have to agree.

You posted videos but were unable to articulate your personal understanding of what happened and therefore did not give an opinion on the videos you posted.
You have not summarised anything or made any points, you have led people on to different questions without answering any.

So far you have basically told people to get over it.

@Thanatos10 here's an article that might interest you.
http://www.vice.com/en_au/read/microdosing-psilocybin-depression-184?utm_source=vicefbanz


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
    #22218068 - 09/10/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
It's just hard for me to think it can get better when I'm in the middle of it. I can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. I know I'm just looking for a silver bullet to cure my ails in an instant, but I'm starting to realize there is no such thing.

I just question everything because, like I said before, I'm extremely doubtful right now that I can get over this.




This is like a obese/unhealthy person saying it's far too hard to eat healthy foods.
I just can't do it because I don't want to...
Diet/nutrition and sleep have a huge impact on how you feel. Shove shit in get shit out


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Or perhaps they disagree with what is being said. Just because someone is listening does not mean they have to agree.

You posted videos but were unable to articulate your personal understanding of what happened and therefore did not give an opinion on the videos you posted.
You have not summarised anything or made any points, you have led people on to different questions without answering any.

So far you have basically told people to get over it.




I already told you I'm lying. Since you still care I'm pretty sure I did put some of the ideas in my words in the post before this.
Why have a media rich internet if you're not going to use it?
Words cannot express this. No amount can explain what a strawberry taste like to someone who cannot taste.

How do I express images like this with words? I have seen these worlds




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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22218327 - 09/10/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Drug and brain interactions can explain the images you've seen.
The mental state induced by hallucinogens is not normally replicated in normal conscious living unless it's schizophrenia.

Again, you told people to think themselves out of cognitive behaviors/habits without expressing in any detail how it is done and what emotional mechanisms are at place.

Anxiety and panic attacks alike are emotional reactions to thoughts or feelings. This encompasses a wide variety of emotional triggers including jealousy, envy, fear, lust, confidence, self esteem, trust, love, care, anger,  etc.

Overcoming emotional turmoil is difficult to to do because identifying and labeling each of these emotions within ones self requires an exceptional level of focus.

Cognitive behavioral therapy and Dialectical behavior therapy are two such methods to deal with thought induced emotional instability.

Methods and practices of thought are described within the therapies to increase the individuals emotional self awareness and overall emotional intelligence.

If you want to overcome something without the intervention of drugs, these are the methods to be used. Not basic hope that things will get better because they won't if the individual doesn't know how to change their behaviors.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
    #22218574 - 09/10/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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sudly said:
Drug and brain interactions can explain the images you've seen.
The mental state induced by hallucinogens is not normally replicated in normal conscious living unless it's schizophrenia.

Again, you told people to think themselves out of cognitive behaviors/habits without expressing in any detail how it is done and what emotional mechanisms are at place.

Anxiety and panic attacks alike are emotional reactions to thoughts or feelings. This encompasses a wide variety of emotional triggers including jealousy, envy, fear, lust, confidence, self esteem, trust, love, care, anger,  etc.

Overcoming emotional turmoil is difficult to to do because identifying and labeling each of these emotions within ones self requires an exceptional level of focus.

Cognitive behavioral therapy and Dialectical behavior therapy are two such methods to deal with thought induced emotional instability.

Methods and practices of thought are described within the therapies to increase the individuals emotional self awareness and overall emotional intelligence.

If you want to overcome something without the intervention of drugs, these are the methods to be used. Not basic hope that things will get better because they won't if the individual doesn't know how to change their behaviors.






Cognitive behavioral therapy is great.
It can be easier than that though. Self-inquiry is almost effortless and it gives you a silent space to look back at the self. Within this space is bliss beyond suffering, joy, and time. Time always flies for me. My work days end as fast as they start. 
Reading books and learning classical wisdom can transform your view too.



When you get down to it you are drugs. Drugs don't show you truth but they can be used as tools unlock the cosmic truth inside of you. It cannot be turned into words but must be experienced. You don't need drugs they just help but at some point you have to be willing to do some work on the self if you want to experience what they have to offer.
You assume that everything is just a "oops" function of smaller parts.
If you were an ant or looked at a newspaper with a magnifying glass you may only see dots. It's only when you can zoom out that you see it might be something more than the dots. In the end what point of view is right just dots, just pictures, both?
THIS VIDEO IS ABOUT A SCIENTIFIC CONCEPT THAT IS BETTER EXPLAINED BY THE VIDEO THAN ME
CELLULAR AUTOMATON SIMPLE RULES CREATE DIFFERENT COMPLEX OUTPUTS



When you get down to it DNA is a incredible , mind blogging, self replicating, self evolving storage media. It's all connected but the humans have lost the innate ability to connect by always looking out instead of in. 
This is what ketamine looks like up close. This doesn't mean anything but isn't it cute :lol:


Edited by Eggtimer (09/10/15 10:04 PM)


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22219419 - 09/10/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think you're describing ego death, a generally drug induced experience. The kind of thing that requires years of meditation to achieve. I'm pretty sure ego death is a central idea in Buddhist philosophy too.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22219440 - 09/10/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

im starting to think op is just trollin or has some other intentions besides being legitimately curious about what spiritually really means :strokebeard:


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
    #22219450 - 09/10/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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sudly said:
I think you're describing ego death, a generally drug induced experience. The kind of thing that requires years of meditation to achieve. I'm pretty sure ego death is a central idea in Buddhist philosophy too.



I have had a near death experience. That in a sense was similar I guess. A moment where a disease was going to take my life, but by a stroke of luck, I managed to get out of it


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: topdog82]
    #22219659 - 09/11/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Self inquiry is akin to bashing your head against a well when you don't know the reasons behind your behavior. It could be in your subconscious, in which case self inquiry doesn't do much when it's below your awareness. I've been doing self inquiry and haven't really gotten much out of it, let alone the root of my problems.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22219785 - 09/11/15 01:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's helpful to try and practice being mindful of your triggers. Perhaps you could write our what or why it is that you feel like panicking at any given moment. After time it becomes easier to recognise and respond to emotions rather than quickly reacting.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
    #22220925 - 09/11/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It seems like quite a bit triggers it. Some of them are things that I used to love actually. That makes it hard to stay away from them. Is there a way to break the association?


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22222016 - 09/11/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Vague question I know but I have to start somewhere to get a grip on this. What is it though? I talk to people about it and get many different responses about what it is. How do you know when you have had a spiritual experience?

So far what I can recall was hearing voices as a child, they would call my name and sometimes they sounded like family. This went away after some time. I have had a few dreams that told the future as a teenager. Also the feeling when you're falling in a dream and crashing awake.

But the one memory I have is of battle. I remember everything fading to black and grey as the roar of battle dimmed, the banners and soldiers fading. Then a rush of bright light like coming out of a tunnel at full speed and I'm in the world again.

I can't seem to forget that, to this day it's still in my mind.




It is the ability to grasp the spiritual nature of all things, like a poet, they can see or describe the essence, the spirit of every things; it is perceived not through our physical senses, but from feelings that is from within.

2 Corinthians 4:18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.

2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Romans 2:29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

A Jew is not a person that is born from someone that is in the physical nature considered as a Jew, but it is someone that give God all of the praises or you can say, give Him all the glory for everything, and which the word Jew has derived from the word Judah, and Judah means praise. So in the Bible, God refers to the ones that are Jews, are the ones that gives Him all the glory like His servant Job. In order to understand the scriptures, you must read it in the spiritual nature, because perceiving it by the natural, kills the meaning. And so if anyone want to understand the scriptures, they need to find someone that knows how to interpret it like a poet.


Judah [N] [E] [H]
(praised, celebrated ),
http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/smiths-bible-dictionary/judah.html

The term "Jew" is derived from the name of Jacob's fourth son, Judah--Yehudah, in the Hebrew--and may have originally applied only to Judah's descendents, who comprised one of the twelve tribes of Israel.  http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/640221/jewish/What-is-the-Meaning-of-the-Name-Jew.htm


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