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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Eggtimer]
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Okay cool, so how would you recommend an individual to overcome the instinctive reactions of anxiety their brain has to certain stimuli?
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
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sudly said: Okay cool, so how would you recommend an individual to overcome the instinctive reactions of anxiety their brain has to certain stimuli?
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Description of the three principal types of thoughts and the cognitive neuroscience networks in which they occur; problematic thoughts from the default mode network, tasking thoughts in the task positive network, and problem solving that is done "off line".
Problematic thoughts can be largely eliminated by using nondual, self-inquiry, to reduce/eliminate the ego/I. This allows higher performance while doing tasks.
Most complex problem solving is done off-line by the "elephant" of billions of neurons and trillions of synapses that make up the high speed parallel processors and huge data storage of our brain. After the "elephant" solves the problem, it is sent to the on-line "rider"/press secretary, the "I", for broadcast and claiming credit.
Just watch some of the videos on this channel.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
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Here's some information on archetypal images of religion.
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In the beginning, the perfect lawlessness of primordial Xaos ruined. The great Mother and Father of the depths were disgusted by the presence of the weaklings. The Father was imprisoned and the Son's blood spilled by the false god to create humankind. By cutting the Mother in half the weakling made the earth and the sky. The tablets of destiny foresaw that the false light will return to nothingness. Those awakened by blood and fire will use the names to resemble essences. It is unfeasible to kill the ancients.
From Xaos spawned the filthy cosmic anti-reality and to Xaos it shall return, for it is the same Xaos that surrounds the cosmic tyranny and it will slowly devour the world. Prometheus, Typhon and Hecate, Tiamat, Absu and Kingu's blood, Tanin'iver Lilith's seed, Semjaza's Geburim and countless other archetypical forces, serve similar spiritual purposes and the aim is single: to be reborn in acausal forms. Those who seek the divine light will find harmony by burning the cosmic barriers to ashes, reunite themselves with primordial Xaos and act as a nexion of forces in the cosmic tyranny, finally re-establishing fundamental Pan-dimensional freedom.
One must ruin his/her fictional mundane ego in order to illuminate the shade and comprehend that the cycle of life must end to experience the freedom of Pan-dimensionality. The Black Flame will then become the only visible light and Lucifer will become the anti-cosmic Prometheus who brings this light to the awakened.
In the Qliphotic tradition, one can achieve communication with the unconscious through Daath, where the conscious ego becomes irrelevant and unidentifiable. The 11 A formula of Daath, used in order to aid the summoning of Chavajoth and open the gate to Sitra Ahra, uniting the 11 into 1.
The first illusion that must be destroyed is the restricted I ((archetypically being assigned with the false gods of light i.e Zeus, Odin, Marduk, Ra, Ahura Mazda and so forth)). This will aid the ultimate salvation of the black flame, eventually arriving to its final destination, the primordial acausal source, the beginning of the end ((Tiamat)).
World's order in relation with the cosmic laws have been regarded as the moral/righteous ways of obtaining self-realization, while anti-cosmic, Xaotic forces lie dormant in the core of the unconscious, waiting to be unleashed by misusing the seven Arkona aeons.
Most of humans need a manual in order to function because they are products, lifeless and meaningless. They need the bible, the well written commandments, the idols to follow and obey with their well constructed ideas, they need something superior because they feel and they know that they are inferior. No matter what the mundanes follow, no matter in which side they are, they are still followers waiting to be swallowed by Xaos, while my Serpent Self is open waiting to experience the freedom of Pan-dimensionality. The Nexions are wide open for Xaos to flow.
These ideas are pretty old and have been mostly pasted on through occult traditions. I know a lot of it is "wooy" but it works. Serpents coiled like DNA appear throughout history. Could be a coincidence but I've seen it too in visions while meditating under the influence of psychedelics. The visions I have completely consumes me and I don't just experience them I become them. It's also like they're happening with or without me. I have little control over what I'm seeing so it happens on it's own without me really doing anything. Elaborate visions of microcosms DNA/molecules all that stuff appears as an elaborate organic clockwork. Very hard to describe.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Eggtimer]
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Eggtimer said: The idea that it isn't easy is what keeps it for being easy
This is a classic
Maybe because the reality of it is that it's not easy. Thinking it will be easy doesn't make it any easier.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
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Also a lot of what you have stated does sound too wooy to believe.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Eggtimer]
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Again a lot is easier said than done
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
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Thanatos10 said: Again a lot is easier said than done
By saying this you're drinking to your own suffering 
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Suffering is forgetting who you really are.
We suffer when we don’t see this completeness – this intimacy – within the present experience. When we don’t see that every wave that’s presently appearing is part of the ocean and therefore allowed in the ocean, we start trying to escape this moment to attempt to reach the next moment. We experience ourselves as not whole or somehow broken so we attempt to move away from this moment. In truth, that movement is not actually possible but we try anyway because that’s how we are programmed. We try to move away from this moment to get to the next moment, to tomorrow or next year or to ten years time. We start to use time to achieve this. This is the origin of suffering. We try to escape what’s happening now. We try to run away from aspects of our present experience. We try to escape these thoughts, sensations and feelings and get to a future place where things will be better. That’s the movement of suffering.
Within suffering you’ll always find seeking. Seeking is the basic mechanism behind all of our suffering. We label certain elements of experience ‘bad’ or ‘negative’ or ‘dark’ or ‘dangerous’ or ‘unhealthy’ and that’s because of our conditioning. We have been conditioned to label things as ‘fear’, ‘sadness’, ‘anger’, and do on, and to judge these as negative, or not-okay, or bad, or sinful – basically as expressions of incompleteness, as threats to completeness. Because we don’t seethe completeness in these waves, because we can’t find the ocean within these so-called ‘negative’ waves, we try to escape them and that movement ‘away from’ creates the suffering. Then we create stories and identities around this suffering: ‘Oh, I’m a victim of my suffering. I’m a victim of fear and pain! Why is this happening to me? How can I escape this experience?‘
Suffering is a great teacher. Maybe it’s the best teacher but we often don’t see that, because we don’t realise what suffering really is. Normally, we do all sorts of things to avoid, deny and numb our suffering. We take medication, drink alcohol or try to distract ourselves. Of course, there’s ultimately nothing with doing these things either! But suffering is always an opportunity; it’s an invitation to discover the completeness in what you are running away from. Which aspects of your experience right now are not okay? Which waves (thoughts, sensations, and feelings) of the ocean are being rejected right now? Which waves are not being seen as part of the ocean? Basically, what are you at war with? This is always the question that suffering leads you to.
Within the experience of suffering you’ll always find seeking. You can believe as much as you like that you’re not seeking, or that you are free from the self, but whenever there’s suffering there’s seeking. It’s the story of ‘me’ looking for something, escaping something; it’s the story of incompleteness or of feeling that there’s something wrong with you. So, the invitation – not a demand – is to take a look at what you are at war with right now. What’s the story? What are the images you are trying to hold up? What are you defending? What are you rejecting? What are you running away from? Look a little deeper. Perhaps these images of yourself are not who you really are. Maybe these stories don’t define you.
We suffer when we try to hold up images of ourselves – ‘I’m strong, I’m enlightened, I’m a success, I’m loving, I’m kind, I’m happy’ – which conflict with life as it is. And in the end, all images conflict with life as it is – no image can match this moment. This moment is the fire that burns up all images. In this moment there could be pain, sadness, fear –any image that says that what’s appearing shouldn’t be appearing, that you should be happy, or free from pain, is a false image.
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"There is a simple inquiry for dealing with denial and projection. When something is bothering you and it brings you into conflict with some object - the most common is another person, although you can imagine you are at war with the society, the government, the church, the corporations, the weather the list is endless - you ask yourself if it is true that one of the hooks for these projections is actually responsible for your bad feelings.
Of course your ego is going to say that it is. The ego has a vested interest in it's projections. Projections protect it and keep it in business. They bolster it's self-esteem, it's sense of rightness. It needs to think that it is innocent. Actually it is innocent insofar as it is actually self. Unfortunately, Maya(illusion) has seen to it that it does not know the truth of it's nature and it thinks it is a person because it is conditioned by society; nothing projects like a group of individuals. Societies have ready-made enemies at their fingertips. Hitler had the Jews, Stalin the petty bourgeois capitalists, the Christians Satan, whites the blacks, husbands wives and wives husbands. We need someone to blame. I cannon be the problem. But the truth is: I am the problem. There is no problem apart from me.
This method takes the ego into account and asks "Is it really true that..." Sometimes it is true that the world is out to get you. So you need to look at the facts closely and see if it is reasonable to assume that the problem lies elsewhere. Not all problems are caused by the world. In fact, very few problems are centered on objects. Even if an object is causing the problem, is it really a problem apart from the thought that it is a problem? If it isn't, then all problems ultimately belong to me.
In the third stage of this inquiry you go a bit deeper. You inquire into the reason you have the problem. You say "who would I be without this belief?" This is the hard part because this is where you discover that the problem is essential to your identity. The answers always is "I would be happy"
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There is one more sentence after brahma satyam jagan mithya. It is: jivo brahmaiva naparah. It means "the jiva and brahman are non-different." Put simply, it means that the consciousness that I am is not different from the consciousness in everything or the consciousness that is everything. I can know that I am consciousnesses and that the world is not real/illusionary but what about my relationship to other consciousness? There are no other consciousnesses. The consciousness appearing as a plant, animal, microbe or any other human being is exactly the same consciousness that I am. Appreciation of this fact basically removes all conflict because it allows me to identify with all life. It is the basis of compassion. If I can identify with you I will not have problems with you. I will treat you as I treat myself - with love. It reveals the fact that love, which is the nature of the self and manifests as identification with objects, is the only valid response to any object, animate or inanimate. Electricity manifest as sound in a radio, heat in a heater, and light in a bulb, but all are just one electricity flowing through different instruments.
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I guess there are multiple ways of looking at it. But this is how I would define spirituality
I wake up every morning and I am absoltely disgusted at times. How is it that I was forced into this sick twisted world? In underdeveloped countries we have child soldiers, sex slaves, lack of clean water, improper nutrition, and a broken family structure. And even in the first world countries, we have obesity, illness, sickness, stress, etc. Whether you aree rich or poor, no matter what, you are still susceptible to pain, illness, and sickness. Suffering is the bread and butter of life And the question is; "Is there something more to life than this?" Many say no. So then we keep our foot on the gas till we run out. Continue to bounce from fleeting sensation to fleeting sensation. Pop a molly, eat junk food, get drunk, fuck women etc. This is how many treat life If someone says "yes". "Yes there is more to life than bouncing from pleasure to pleasure and ENDLESS suffering". Then that person is spiritual
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: topdog82]
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That's a great post, topdog.
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Thanks. I have a lot of personal writings, and I was thinking about posting it on here now and then. I may even publish it via kindle. Good to see someone appreaciates
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Thanatos my dude.
The answer to this question can be found in the other two threads that I responded to you in.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Eggtimer]
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Thanatos10 said: Again a lot is easier said than done
By saying this you're drinking to your own suffering 
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Suffering is forgetting who you really are.
We suffer when we don’t see this completeness – this intimacy – within the present experience. When we don’t see that every wave that’s presently appearing is part of the ocean and therefore allowed in the ocean, we start trying to escape this moment to attempt to reach the next moment. We experience ourselves as not whole or somehow broken so we attempt to move away from this moment. In truth, that movement is not actually possible but we try anyway because that’s how we are programmed. We try to move away from this moment to get to the next moment, to tomorrow or next year or to ten years time. We start to use time to achieve this. This is the origin of suffering. We try to escape what’s happening now. We try to run away from aspects of our present experience. We try to escape these thoughts, sensations and feelings and get to a future place where things will be better. That’s the movement of suffering.
Within suffering you’ll always find seeking. Seeking is the basic mechanism behind all of our suffering. We label certain elements of experience ‘bad’ or ‘negative’ or ‘dark’ or ‘dangerous’ or ‘unhealthy’ and that’s because of our conditioning. We have been conditioned to label things as ‘fear’, ‘sadness’, ‘anger’, and do on, and to judge these as negative, or not-okay, or bad, or sinful – basically as expressions of incompleteness, as threats to completeness. Because we don’t seethe completeness in these waves, because we can’t find the ocean within these so-called ‘negative’ waves, we try to escape them and that movement ‘away from’ creates the suffering. Then we create stories and identities around this suffering: ‘Oh, I’m a victim of my suffering. I’m a victim of fear and pain! Why is this happening to me? How can I escape this experience?‘
Suffering is a great teacher. Maybe it’s the best teacher but we often don’t see that, because we don’t realise what suffering really is. Normally, we do all sorts of things to avoid, deny and numb our suffering. We take medication, drink alcohol or try to distract ourselves. Of course, there’s ultimately nothing with doing these things either! But suffering is always an opportunity; it’s an invitation to discover the completeness in what you are running away from. Which aspects of your experience right now are not okay? Which waves (thoughts, sensations, and feelings) of the ocean are being rejected right now? Which waves are not being seen as part of the ocean? Basically, what are you at war with? This is always the question that suffering leads you to.
Within the experience of suffering you’ll always find seeking. You can believe as much as you like that you’re not seeking, or that you are free from the self, but whenever there’s suffering there’s seeking. It’s the story of ‘me’ looking for something, escaping something; it’s the story of incompleteness or of feeling that there’s something wrong with you. So, the invitation – not a demand – is to take a look at what you are at war with right now. What’s the story? What are the images you are trying to hold up? What are you defending? What are you rejecting? What are you running away from? Look a little deeper. Perhaps these images of yourself are not who you really are. Maybe these stories don’t define you.
We suffer when we try to hold up images of ourselves – ‘I’m strong, I’m enlightened, I’m a success, I’m loving, I’m kind, I’m happy’ – which conflict with life as it is. And in the end, all images conflict with life as it is – no image can match this moment. This moment is the fire that burns up all images. In this moment there could be pain, sadness, fear –any image that says that what’s appearing shouldn’t be appearing, that you should be happy, or free from pain, is a false image.
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"There is a simple inquiry for dealing with denial and projection. When something is bothering you and it brings you into conflict with some object - the most common is another person, although you can imagine you are at war with the society, the government, the church, the corporations, the weather the list is endless - you ask yourself if it is true that one of the hooks for these projections is actually responsible for your bad feelings.
Of course your ego is going to say that it is. The ego has a vested interest in it's projections. Projections protect it and keep it in business. They bolster it's self-esteem, it's sense of rightness. It needs to think that it is innocent. Actually it is innocent insofar as it is actually self. Unfortunately, Maya(illusion) has seen to it that it does not know the truth of it's nature and it thinks it is a person because it is conditioned by society; nothing projects like a group of individuals. Societies have ready-made enemies at their fingertips. Hitler had the Jews, Stalin the petty bourgeois capitalists, the Christians Satan, whites the blacks, husbands wives and wives husbands. We need someone to blame. I cannon be the problem. But the truth is: I am the problem. There is no problem apart from me.
This method takes the ego into account and asks "Is it really true that..." Sometimes it is true that the world is out to get you. So you need to look at the facts closely and see if it is reasonable to assume that the problem lies elsewhere. Not all problems are caused by the world. In fact, very few problems are centered on objects. Even if an object is causing the problem, is it really a problem apart from the thought that it is a problem? If it isn't, then all problems ultimately belong to me.
In the third stage of this inquiry you go a bit deeper. You inquire into the reason you have the problem. You say "who would I be without this belief?" This is the hard part because this is where you discover that the problem is essential to your identity. The answers always is "I would be happy"
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There is one more sentence after brahma satyam jagan mithya. It is: jivo brahmaiva naparah. It means "the jiva and brahman are non-different." Put simply, it means that the consciousness that I am is not different from the consciousness in everything or the consciousness that is everything. I can know that I am consciousnesses and that the world is not real/illusionary but what about my relationship to other consciousness? There are no other consciousnesses. The consciousness appearing as a plant, animal, microbe or any other human being is exactly the same consciousness that I am. Appreciation of this fact basically removes all conflict because it allows me to identify with all life. It is the basis of compassion. If I can identify with you I will not have problems with you. I will treat you as I treat myself - with love. It reveals the fact that love, which is the nature of the self and manifests as identification with objects, is the only valid response to any object, animate or inanimate. Electricity manifest as sound in a radio, heat in a heater, and light in a bulb, but all are just one electricity flowing through different instruments.
The flaw in your last paragraph is treating others are you treat yourself. You assume love is the default. But for me I have only treated myself with dislike and hate, and it shows when I interact with people. But not with animals, with them it's always different.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
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Spirituality, to me, is... A concept
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Eggtimer]
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So you never actually answered my question, you just posted a video link. I'd like to know in your own words, as you understand it, how to overcome anxiety. How to easily overcome mental struggles.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
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That's OK guys I only speak lies. Do not believe a word I say 
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The flaw in your last paragraph is treating others are you treat yourself. You assume love is the default. But for me I have only treated myself with dislike and hate, and it shows when I interact with people. But not with animals, with them it's always different.
As soon as you stop self abusing in your head you will see. Instead of thinking oh fuck it's all fucked I'm fucked the world's fucked burn it all Try thinking it'll be OK and drop it(self-inquiry is extremely important too). It's taken me some months to get to this point but the difference was almost immediate. I mean really it takes no work at all just a little persistent and you will start seeing everything differently without really doing anything. Does any of the other stuff make sense? Those two quotes are pretty important for understanding the last one. The world transforms.
Love and compassion is nature for humans but because we have become civilized the ego(I) came into play so our lower emotions have taken over. Alienation(the feeling that you have nothing in common with anyone and are forever alone, far more common than you would think, it's what keeps you from having fulfilling relationships/friends), guilt, shame, fear, and anxiety. I learned these bad habits from my parents(don't blame them where do you think they learned theirs?) of self abuse calling myself dumb everything I make a small mistake then turning it into the end of the world while I spiral down a pit of endless depression, disappear, anxiety, and hatred.
With all this insight gained into myself I can actually read other people and be conformable talking to anyone. One day I woke up and my life long anxiety was fucking gone and I was at peace for the first time ever. Then I went to work and..... WAS STILL AT PEACE
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Eggtimer]
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Eggtimer said: That's OK guys I only speak lies. Do not believe a word I say 
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The flaw in your last paragraph is treating others are you treat yourself. You assume love is the default. But for me I have only treated myself with dislike and hate, and it shows when I interact with people. But not with animals, with them it's always different.
As soon as you stop self abusing in your head you will see. Instead of thinking oh fuck it's all fucked I'm fucked the world's fucked burn it all Try thinking it'll be OK and drop it(self-inquiry is extremely important too). It's taken me some months to get to this point but the difference was almost immediate. I mean really it takes no work at all just a little persistent and you will start seeing everything differently without really doing anything. Does any of the other stuff make sense? Those two quotes are pretty important for understanding the last one. The world transforms.
Love and compassion is nature for humans but because we have become civilized the ego(I) came into play so our lower emotions have taken over. Alienation(the feeling that you have nothing in common with anyone and are forever alone, far more common than you would think, it's what keeps you from having fulfilling relationships/friends), guilt, shame, fear, and anxiety. I learned these bad habits from my parents(don't blame them where do you think they learned theirs?) of self abuse calling myself dumb everything I make a small mistake then turning it into the end of the world while I spiral down a pit of endless depression, disappear, anxiety, and hatred.
With all this insight gained into myself I can actually read other people and be conformable talking to anyone. One day I woke up and my life long anxiety was fucking gone and I was at peace for the first time ever. Then I went to work and..... WAS STILL AT PEACE
How can you be sure love and compassion are the baseline? What if they are not? As far as I can remember I have always disliked myself, and it's not as easy as saying stop it. It just doesn't work that way. Maybe our intense dislike for each other is natural for humans. It explains the many conflicts over history and certain bloody groups.
You assume love and compassion are the baseline without anything to back it up besides just some words. Like I said, I've disliked myself in spite of growing up with nothing that would cause it. So love can't possibly be the baseline for humans.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
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spirituality is whatever you make it next question
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