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MORE
noun 3. an additional quantity, amount, or number: I would give you more if I had it. He likes her all the more. When I could take no more of such nonsense, I left. 4. a greater quantity, amount, or degree: More is expected of him. The price is more than I thought. 5. something of greater importance: His report is more than a survey. 6. (used with a plural verb) a greater number of a class specified, or the greater number of persons: More will attend this year than ever before.
SENSITIVE
adjective 1. endowed with sensation; having perception through the senses. 2. readily or excessively affected by external agencies or influences. 3. having acute mental or emotional sensibility; aware of and responsive to the feelings of others. 4. easily pained, annoyed, etc. 5. pertaining to or connected with the senses or sensation. 6. Physiology. having a low threshold of sensation or feeling. 7. responding to stimuli, as leaves that move when touched.
LIFE
noun 1. the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally. 2. the sum of the distinguishing phenomena of organisms, especially metabolism, growth, reproduction, and adaptation to environment. 3. the animate existence or period of animate existence of an individual: to risk one's life; a short life and a merry one. 4. a corresponding state, existence, or principle of existence conceived of as belonging to the soul: eternal life. 5. the general or universal condition of human existence: Too bad, but life is like that. 6. any specified period of animate existence: a man in middle life. 7. the period of existence, activity, or effectiveness of something inanimate, as a machine, lease, or play: The life of the car may be ten years.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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This stuff isn't rocket science Thantos.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: circastes]
#22208018 - 09/08/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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A meaningless existence can still be an optimistic position.
The universe is evidently not supportive of life, hence why we seem to be the only life out here. Space is hostile and unforgiving, there are planets that rain diamonds or molten iron, planets with winds of several thousands kilometers, places you'll freeze to death instantly or be vaporised into a plasma.
When I look at all that is in the universe and all the hostility is represents I am grateful to have won the lottery of the universe and that we have been given a chance to live.
I am optimistic in a meaningless universe because I am grateful to be alive, I don't take my life for granted and I don't expect it to be eternal.
-------------------- I am whatever Darwin needs me to be.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
#22208059 - 09/08/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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sudly said: The universe is evidently not supportive of life, hence why we seem to be the only life out here.
That's an extremely uninformed statement sudly. Considering we have only explained the tiniest fraction of the known universe, I can't understand why you would jump to that conclusion.
It's the equivalent of exploring a deserted field in the middle of the countryside only to exclaim 'yep, there's some insects here but there but I seem to be the only human in existence!'
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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okay then, evidently not 'very' supportive of life.
It's pretty easy to jump to the conclusion that life is not easily supported outside of earth when we've already analyzed the light from various planets and stars that are visible to us.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
#22208104 - 09/08/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dunno man, have you seen just how BIG it is out there?
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Obviously I haven't seen all of it but I've seen enough to know how lucky we all are to be alive.
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Thanatos10 said: More sensitive to life? What does that mean?
If everything is, as you say in all these threads, so ultimately meaningless, then what is it, exactly, that is keeping you from killing yourself?
Because suicide hurts
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Jokeshopbeard said: This stuff isn't rocket science Thantos.
Apparently it is since none of that explains what he meant about being more sensitive to life
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22208546 - 09/08/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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a greater quantity, amount, or degree OF having acute mental or emotional sensibility TO the general or universal condition of human existence
Anyone else agree that this is what circastes was suggesting? I wanna make sure I make it unambiguous for Thantos who apparently cannot think for his/herself.
p.s Thantos, if you ask what the 'universal condition of human existence' is (I think you're quite aware), I'm sorry to say that I'm gonna have to put you on ignore. I've managed nearly 5 years here without doing that once. Please don't push me into taking that course of action.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22208707 - 09/08/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: More sensitive to life? What does that mean?
If everything is, as you say in all these threads, so ultimately meaningless, then what is it, exactly, that is keeping you from killing yourself?
Because suicide hurts
But pain is meaningless. You knew that, silly!
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Thanatos10 said: More sensitive to life? What does that mean?
If everything is, as you say in all these threads, so ultimately meaningless, then what is it, exactly, that is keeping you from killing yourself?
Because suicide hurts
But pain is meaningless. You knew that, silly!
Pain still hurts no matter what meaning or lack thereof it has. Aside from that I don't know why I'm still alive.
As for being more sensitive to life, that's a pretty vague and open statement. That's why I don't get it, sensitive how and in what sense? I'm trying to get a grasp of what you mean exactly. You speak of these things as if I know what they are to begin with. You assume I know when I don't. That's why I'm asking what you mean.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22209038 - 09/08/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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No one knows what they are to begin with Thantos. Those that have some idea have put in a huge amount of effort to find out IME. Read books, meditate, take a psychedelic journey, but most of all keep your mind clear and sharp and free of preconceptions and it WILL come to you.
You're not gonna get the answers you need here.
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Sigh, sounds like it's all chalked up to life experience I guess. I suppose i will continue meditation
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22209258 - 09/08/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: Sigh, sounds like it's all chalked up to life experience I guess.
Spot on. Thank you for saying that; it's the most logical thing I've heard you say in your time here.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
#22209761 - 09/08/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Start looking in you will find it. It cannot be thought, it cannot be sensed, it cannot be said, it's what you are, it's what everything is. It's the one constant you've experienced all your life. It's a filling emptiness that never runs out. Fear of the conscious mind will have you looking away. Where does "I" sit within you?

To experience the spiritual and all it has to offer you kinda got to turn into love and compassion. Make no judgements in your mind about things or people being good or bad. Make your mind still. Worry/anxiety crushes the gate of your mind when that's all you experience all day. Go beyond your suffering. The idea that you're just an I is what holds you back.

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Come and I will tell you the perfect Tâo. Its essence is (surrounded with) the deepest obscurity; its highest reach is in darkness and silence. There is nothing to be seen; nothing to be heard. When it holds the spirit in its arms in stillness, then the bodily form of itself will become correct.
You must be still; you must be pure; not subjecting your body to toil, not agitating your vital force;-- then you may live for long. When your eyes see nothing, your ears hear nothing, and your mind knows nothing, your spirit will keep your body, and the body will live long.
Watch over what is within you, shut up the avenues that connect you with what is external;-- much knowledge is pernicious. I (will) proceed with you to the summit of the Grand Brilliance, where we come to the source of the bright and expanding (element);
; I will enter with you the gate of the Deepest Obscurity, where we come to the source of the dark and repressing (element). There heaven and earth have their controllers; there the Yin and Yang have their Repositories.
Watch over and keep your body, and all things will of themselves give it vigour. I maintain the (original) unity (of these elements), and dwell in the harmony of them
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(The perfect Tâo) is something inexhaustible, and yet men all think it has an end; it is something unfathomable, and yet men all think its extreme limit can be reached. He who attains to my Tâo, if he be in a high position, will be one of the August ones, and in a low position, will be a king.
He who fails in attaining it, in his highest attainment will see the light, but will descend and be of the Earth. At present all things are produced from the Earth and return to the Earth.
Therefore I will leave you, and enter the gate of the Unending, to enjoy myself in the fields of the Illimitable. I will blend my light with that of the sun and moon, and will endure while heaven and earth endure. If men agree with my views, I will be unconscious of it; if they keep far apart from them, I will be unconscious of it; they may all die, and I will abide alone!'
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I, Death, come, and yet I remain not, for life eternal exists in the ALL; only an obstacle, I in the pathway, quick to be conquered by the infinite light.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Eggtimer]
#22209981 - 09/08/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Make no judgments in your mind about things or people being good or bad.
I hope you've read my signature.
You haven't made a point at all, you've just told me to look inwards and stop being anxious? You may as well tell someone to stop having cancer or to stop being sick.
I don't fear my conscious mind and "I" sits well with me, it represents to me my own individuality as it is I who holds it.
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The idea that you're just an I is what holds you back.
sense made = 0
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
#22210305 - 09/09/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Make no judgments in your mind about things or people being good or bad.
I hope you've read my signature.
You haven't made a point at all, you've just told me to look inwards and stop being anxious? You may as well tell someone to stop having cancer or to stop being sick.
I don't fear my conscious mind and "I" sits well with me, it represents to me my own individuality as it is I who holds it.
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The idea that you're just an I is what holds you back.
sense made = 0
(I'm not saying I'm right or know anything I'm just saying for a long time I thought it was all nonsense too.) Believe it or not anxiety is something you do to yourself when you try to escape the feeling because you've labeled it as something to be avoided. Once you accept it as gladly as you would joy it goes away. I had it most my life constantly then one day it stopped after I started doing self-inquiry and meditation. Does your mind drown in thoughts thinking about what happened 5 seconds ago or what is going to happen 5 seconds from now? Or is it silent?
Yes this stuff is very hard to understand that is why no one understands it I was a nihilist for 6 years and it wasn't till I smoked DMT for the first time that I started to understand this stuff. The biggest reason is because I took all of the stuff too literally and missed the fact that I came out of the earth. Basically I was a "stranger in a strange land" for most my life. Also I realized that everything that is and will ever be was once the same thing. Don't take this too literally!
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He (the Atman), difficult to be seen, full of mystery, the Ancient, primaeval one, concealed deep within, He who, by yoga means of meditation on his self, comprehends Atman within him as God, He leaves joy and sorrow far behind.
The seer (Atman, Self) is not born, nor does he die, He does not originate from anybody, nor does he become anybody, Eternal, ancient one, he remains eternal, he is not killed, even though the body is killed.
If the killer thinks that he kills, if the killed thinks that he is killed, they do not understand; for this one does not kill, nor is that one killed.
The Self (Atman), smaller than small, greater than great, is hidden in the heart of each creature, Free from avarice, free from grief, peaceful and content, he sees the supreme glory of Atman.
Rise, awake! Having obtained these boons, understand them! Like the Razor's sharp edge is difficult to traverse, The path to one's Self is difficult. —Katha Upanishad
When you get amnesia who will be there? When you dream who is there? If you would of been born 100 years in the future or past who would be there?
Song is brutal but deals with what I'm talking about
What fool are ye! From zenith to nadir Through externalized purity Dexterity Sealed ye gates ov your own paradise Skakti, Kali Ma, Durga Ma Thou art pure in Thy sinistry
For those who cannot see The Unconditioned One! Creatrix, Matrix, Devourer!
[Lead: Seth]
Thee who spits out sun From thy mouth In endless momentum - Kamala's menstruum On road to immortality We go against current To the womb ov Kali Through the mouth ov Bhairavi To the final dawn ov Chaos How come we're still alive? In these kingdoms ov filth When heaven's so abstract And hell is so real...
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Eggtimer]
#22210353 - 09/09/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks captain obvious, I know that anxiety is a self sustained behavior. That whole 'accepting' part does not happen overnight, maybe if you have drugs like DMT acceptance can come easier but when sober and in a normal state of mind, cognitive behaviors like anxiety are incredibly difficult to overcome or simply ignore.
The trick for overcoming anxiety is to accept/ignore the thoughts that are present and creating that anxiety. It's an incredibly basic concept to understand but that doesn't mean it's an easy thing to do by any stretch of the imagination.
Theoretically everything was once the same thing if you count the big bang theory. Same for all organisms on earth if you hold evolution dear to your heart.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: sudly]
#22210382 - 09/09/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The idea that it isn't easy is what keeps it for being easy
This is a classic
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