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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Thisisntme]
#22186173 - 09/04/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Machiavelliavore
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Thisisntme]
#22186628 - 09/04/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What type of fruiting chamber are you trying to make here?
A standard monotub setup, whether it's made in a tote or not, uses the substrate as the source of humidity. So what are you doing with perlite? In a shotgun fruiting chamber, air is drawn through the perlite to increase the humidity in the FC. In a monotub setup, it will not be as effective.
Also, don't overcomplicate things with your substrate. There are plenty of variables involved in getting your grow right, most of which you will not have considered before your boots hit the ground. Why add properly hydrating and pasturizing some next level concoction of crazy shit to that list of variables? Most of the best growers on this site use 80/20 coir verm. Bulk sub mostly provides water. Use bucket-tek with some coir, and worry about your bulk sub composition when you screwing up is not a variable and you have a baller isolate that will actually tell you if your sub is having an effect.
I would suggest hopping over target, grabbing a $3 15qt sterilite, making a small minimonotub or monotub shotgun hybrid, dialing it in (misting, stuffing, whatever.) Clone some good fruits or nice clusters.
Square holes vs round holes: Doesn't matter if you're covering it with tape/sfd/tyvek. If you're stuffing, round will probably be the easiest to stuff well, though I have only used homemade SFD.
1. Can't really tell what you're asking. Your bottom holes should be as close to substrate level as possible. Your top holes should be as far above as possible.
2. Can't really say, don't understand your cfg.fc file.
3. 60/40 cv casing is decent. Not as good as peat/verm. In a monotub environment, it probably won't matter much. There is no need to pH balance it. Calcium Carbonate is a buffer, Calcium Hydroxide is a base. At appropriate quantities respectively, they can serve the same function and neutralize an acidic substrate.
4. 3.5" is fine. It seems thinner substrates tend to yield a bit better. Mix the spawn into the sub. Layering is for straw. I suggest mixing it in a large tote or buckets where you can really move it around. Mixing it in the tray may result in suboptimal distribution.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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Well, the idea with the perlite was because I was worried it would dry out being that it is not a proper mono tub. But if it is not necessary to use then I won't. The reason I wanted to add as much as possible to my sub is because I have read that diversity is good for the mycelium.
And what brand of peat moss will work? I have tried searching for the correct brand and I get conflicting answers. I don't live by any special garden stores, mainly home depot, lowes, and ace.
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Thisisntme]
#22189832 - 09/04/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you're concerned about insufficient sub to work as a mono in your enclosure, just put like a 15-30qt mono in there and flush the air from the larger container like 1x a day. That or just fill that thing up with plenty of trays to fill the space. Probably will work better than perlite, though that may work.
The big bales of peat work, but require a good amount of stick removal. Smaller bags (even with fets) should work fine, or you can use a peat based potting soil with verm. The best would be jiffy seed starter mix, which is like pH balanced 50/50 peat verm, hydrate, pasteurize, n rock. BTW I wasn't saying coir verm is a bad casing, it's fine especially in a mono where the humidity will stay high and it won't dry out.
Adjusting your substrate to perfection is probably the last thing you want to focus on. You can get amazing grows on straight coir with clean spawn, good isolate, and proper FAE. Often even without those things.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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Perlite is basically glass. It's not nutrients. Don't feed it to mushrooms or put it in your substrate...
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Inocuole]
#22192859 - 09/05/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think he's basically talking about having some like ???adjacent beds of perlite to help boost the humidity cause he's not gonna have enough shit in his giant monotub???
LoL, the CO2 content at sub level would drop and the less dense humid air might float up instead of press down.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Thisisntme]
#22192945 - 09/05/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thisisntme said: Well, the idea with the perlite was because I was worried it would dry out being that it is not a proper mono tub. But if it is not necessary to use then I won't. The reason I wanted to add as much as possible to my sub is because I have read that diversity is good for the mycelium.
I don't know what else you could get from that.
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Inocuole]
#22192968 - 09/05/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I addressed both the composition of his sub (castings, coir, shit, verm) as being overly complex for a first grow, as well as the perlite thing. I took them to be separate responses.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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Oh, I sure hope so.
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Inocuole]
#22195316 - 09/06/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It was. I was not intending on mixing the perlite in with either the sub or casing. He was right saying I wanted it to be adjacent. I could of been clearer on that, my bad.
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Machiavelliavore said: If you're concerned about insufficient sub to work as a mono in your enclosure, just put like a 15-30qt mono in there and flush the air from the larger container like 1x a day. That or just fill that thing up with plenty of trays to fill the space. Probably will work better than perlite, though that may work.
The big bales of peat work, but require a good amount of stick removal. Smaller bags (even with fets) should work fine, or you can use a peat based potting soil with verm. The best would be jiffy seed starter mix, which is like pH balanced 50/50 peat verm, hydrate, pasteurize, n rock. BTW I wasn't saying coir verm is a bad casing, it's fine especially in a mono where the humidity will stay high and it won't dry out.
Adjusting your substrate to perfection is probably the last thing you want to focus on. You can get amazing grows on straight coir with clean spawn, good isolate, and proper FAE. Often even without those things.
Exactly what I was looking for, thank you!
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Machiavelliavore said: I addressed both the composition of his sub (castings, coir, shit, verm) as being overly complex for a first grow, as well as the perlite thing. I took them to be separate responses.
So for my sub, I guess I will just use h poo and coir. Sound good?
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Thisisntme]
#22195427 - 09/06/15 01:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Haven't used poo yet. Just CVG, and now straw. Haven't heard of the poo coir combo being used all that much, but I don't see any problem with it.
Personally I would just buckettek straight coir w gypsum. That way the hydration is prescribed and the chances of it contaminating due to anything other than bad spawn are nill.
With Poo/Castings you will need to properly hydrate and pasteurize. Not saying it's rocket science, just one more thing to screw up and/or doubt.
Up to you, I'd just baseline that shit for your first grow. If you save some coir to case, I'd keep it in the fridge. That stuff can smell a bit funky after some days sitting out.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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