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Thisisntme
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First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips?
#22183806 - 09/03/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hello all, Just want to start out with saying how thankful I am for all the information that is made available from everyone on here! I have spent the past three years doing research on and off on the cultivation of mushrooms and feel that now is the most optimal time for me to attempt such an exciting adventure. And although I have spent countless hours searching for information, I am still a little lost and would like some final confirmations on whether what is being done is suitable. To get started I will explain the setup I have going on This is the main layout for bulk sub/rye
light is 6500K and will be about 13-14" above bulk sub
This is where perlite will go. One of these sections is on both sides of intended spot for bulk sub/rye grain
This is outside of it. Drawers close over zipper tarp.
This will be my incubator for quart jars with rye, colonizer for bulk sub (h poo/coir/coffee grounds/worm castings), and fruiting chamber. A black trash bag will line the bottom when ready to spawn. As for the casing, I was considering using this tek http://www.shroomery.org/55/60-40-Vermiculite-and-Coco-Coir-Casing-Tek
So, my incubator/colonizer/fruiting chamber is 16.8 in (L) x 30.5 in (W) x 18.5 in (H). I have one 1" hole drilled at 3.75" in the back covered by tape. The plan is to use 3.5" of sub/spawn. The temp ranges from 73-78°F and the RH is at about a constant 40%. In order to compensate and increase humidity I just wanted to have two sections of perlite, divided on both sides of the spawn when it comes time to initiate fruiting. These sections are 12 in (L) x 6.5 in (W) x 6 in (H).
Now to get to my questions (I know how repetitive this may feel for those of you who are constantly enlightening us with very helpful information):
1) Is the hole placement good? Exactly how high should I place the one needed directly above the hole I already have? Should there be more for my case?
2) Is the perlite option a good idea? If so, is the miracle grow perlite acceptable to use? Should holes be drilled in panels separating bulk spawn and perlite to be covered with micro pore tape in order to ensure good humidity?
3) Is the casing tek above being considered a good tek? If so, can you replace calcium carbonate in this tek with hydrated horticultural lime?
4) Is 3.5" of bulk spawn/grain mixture good to use? To evenly spread out after jars are inoculated, is it best to do layer on top over another layer until full, or to mix throughout evenly?
And lastly...
5) What ratios should be used for bulk sub h poo/coir/coffee grounds/worm castings in my particular case? (16.8 in (L) x 30.5 in (W) x 18.5 in (H) at 3.5" high for bulk sub) Should hydrated lime be added to bulk sub?
I know for the last one it would be difficult to give me an exact answer, but what would be some estimates?
Again, I greatly appreciate the massive amounts of help and guidance this website and it's users have given me over these past few years. I am very much looking forward to any answers and help. Have fun guys!
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Thisisntme]
#22183867 - 09/03/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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1) Well for starters I really dont see any holes in these pictures, so its hard to tell. Depending on what kind of fruiting chamber you have will determine where and how you want to place your holes. But honestly I cant tell whats what in these pics. 
2) In a fruiting chamber, perlite is like the only good option. Miracle gro perlite is fine. Yes you never want any of your sub/spawn to touch perlite. Your designs still have me a bit confused though, maybe I just cant envision what youre describing. Are you going to introduce the perlite after colonization? During colonization would be detrimental.
3) That casing tek is fine.
4) 3.5'' is ideal. Anywhere from 3-5 should be ok. You want to layer as you add spawn. But then thoroughly mix it, very well. Get it as evenly mixed as you can.
5) A very easy ratio for sub to spawn is 2:1. Tweaking ratios can cause quite a big difference between grows. Ratios are ratios, no matter the size, they should stay the same ratio unless youre working with like a foot of sub.
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22183899 - 09/03/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I will post better and clearer pictures when I get home just to see if there is anything else you can tell me I should change, but the one inch hole is covered right now by tape. It is in the first picture. The fruiting chamber is essentially the whole piece of furniture. In the first picture, the ground and to the sides (which are covered by the blue tarp on the left and right) is where I will mix my spawn and sub. Thank you for your help!
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Thisisntme]
#22183938 - 09/03/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thisisntme said: I will post better and clearer pictures when I get home just to see if there is anything else you can tell me I should change, but the one inch hole is covered right now by tape. It is in the first picture. The fruiting chamber is essentially the whole piece of furniture. In the first picture, the ground and to the sides (which are covered by the blue tarp on the left and right) is where I will mix my spawn and sub. Thank you for your help!
I see it all now. 
I mean it seems feasible. I would think about hole replacement, that one hole will not be enough. You'll want a combination of holes high and low for FAE during fruiting. To me it seems like a good grasp on a self sustained green house, built into furniture. But as far as cultivation is concerned, I would suggest just making a monotub. Too many years have been spent on this hobby to come back to the same answers. Monotubs and SGFC are the only real winners.
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22184127 - 09/03/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Inocuole]
#22184153 - 09/03/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's another compiled list of tek's from Frank http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163
I cant find TL's tek links, but those are great write ups too!
Spend some time reading them ALL, you'll get an idea of what will best suit you.
-------------------- iSmkGrnBud's Teks iSmkGrnBud's Wild Mushroom Finds  The Noob Forum's List of Teks “The probability of success is difficult to estimate; but if we never search the chance of success is zero.” -Giuseppe Cocconi
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Inocuole]
#22184712 - 09/03/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My intent with this was to make it just like a mono tub. Do you think I will get similar results?
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Thisisntme]
#22184747 - 09/03/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wouldn't an actual monotub be cheaper and easier?
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Inocuole]
#22184759 - 09/03/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, but this works out better for me and my situation. I will go more in depth with my overall plan when I get home step by step.
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Thisisntme]
#22184786 - 09/03/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Wouldn't an actual monotub be cheaper and easier?
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Thisisntme said: Yeah, but this works out better for me and my situation.
How can it possibly work out "better" if it's neither cheaper, nor easier? The likelihood of it performing better is pretty slim.
We see this kind of thing dozens of times every week, all year long, every year. People want to use some weird chamber for some reason, maybe it was laying around, and for usually a multitude of reasons, shit always ends up being mediocre or worse, and the people either quit or end up just making a 5$ monotub.
You can go ahead and do what you want to do, but, when you look back, just remember you had the option to do it right the first time.
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22184791 - 09/03/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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iSmkGrnBud said: But as far as cultivation is concerned, I would suggest just making a monotub. Too many years have been spent on this hobby to come back to the same answers. Monotubs and SGFC are the only real winners.
-------------------- iSmkGrnBud's Teks iSmkGrnBud's Wild Mushroom Finds  The Noob Forum's List of Teks “The probability of success is difficult to estimate; but if we never search the chance of success is zero.” -Giuseppe Cocconi
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Thisisntme]
#22185601 - 09/03/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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'this works better for me and my situation'
uh yeah maybe but, uh, how about the mushrooms?
won't somebody please think of the mushrooms?
step by step plan? you titled this thread "first mushroom grow: any tips?" but have a plan?
here are a few tips:
1) copy and paste what links you got linked to into your browser 2) press enter
3) optional best bonus super deluxe with sprinkles tip: make those your plan
& good luck
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: filthyknees]
#22185631 - 09/03/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Let's not... undermine his intelligence just yet. Maybe they have their reasons. Not to say those reasons should be immune to being torn apart just.. you know.
Of course, this thing happens where everybody I take up for shows me I'm a lousy judge of character. I hope this isn't that.
Also couldn't he just click the links?
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Inocuole]
#22185657 - 09/03/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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damn I thought I had him entirely figured out
*retracts fangs*
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: filthyknees]
#22185672 - 09/03/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I love a good proven idiot. I'll tear into that all day. But I think most of us probably were set in our ways for some stubborn reason when we got here. I don't know why that happens, people want to feel validated for their research I guess. How quickly they let it go is a measure of character though.
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Inocuole]
#22185807 - 09/03/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Money obviously isn't the issue with me. Thank you again though, greatly appreciate the feedback. But I guess I am just confused as to why the wouldn't act as a mono tub if holes are drilled correctly and humidity and good air exchange are kept up. If it's really going robe that big of a difference, could I just put 6qt mono tubs inside? I would prefer it in there because of lamp and discreetness. I don't want anyone coming over and asking why I have shit in a tub with holes in it.
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22185926 - 09/03/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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iSmkGrnBud said:

Here's another compiled list of tek's from Frank http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163
I cant find TL's tek links, but those are great write ups too!
Spend some time reading them ALL, you'll get an idea of what will best suit you.
I have read a quite a few of these before and they have helped me a lot, but I still just don't see why those same rules can't be applied to what I have in some fashion?
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Thisisntme]
#22185933 - 09/03/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're gonna have a thing with holes in it no matter what. And if you don't have that, you have something with hoses and tubes coming out of it which is even sketchier.
If you have people coming in all the time that you don't want to see you grow then I don't think there's a way that's going to do better than "eh I got something at least". I guess we'll see what you come up with.
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Inocuole]
#22186084 - 09/04/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, to further explain what how I am planning to drill my holes...
*The blue tape represents where holes will be drilled and covered with micropore tape or polyfill (at least the bottom set) so that moisture gets into the bottom of the the sub and directly throughout the surface *The blue tape WITH GRAY TAPE is where holes will be drilled for FAE
Left Side
Center (hole is big enough to put thumb through and I am thinking of putting a hole directly above that as well
Right Side
Also, which type of hole is better? Circular or rectangular?
And while the bulk sub is colonizing I will have all holes covered and aluminum foil to cover it to keep CO2 (?) in
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Re: First Mushroom Grow: Any Tips? [Re: Thisisntme]
#22186088 - 09/04/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thisisntme said: So, to further explain what how I am planning to drill my holes...
*The blue tape represents where holes will be drilled and covered with micropore tape or polyfill (at least the bottom set) so that moisture gets into the bottom of the the sub and directly throughout the surface *The blue tape WITH GRAY TAPE is where holes will be drilled for FAE
Left Side
Center (hole is big enough to put thumb through and I am thinking of putting a hole directly above that as well
Right Side
Also, which type of hole is better? Circular or rectangular?
And while the bulk sub is colonizing I will have all holes covered and aluminum foil to cover it to keep CO2 (?) in
Holes in middle are 3.75" high and will be .25"-.50" above substrate
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