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Vermiculite coir bucket tek
    #22183740 - 09/03/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

daemon50/50 used vermiculite

I was told that's not nessecary to do that or case if it isnt PE.

So, i didn't use it. Not sure if i'll regret it. Can I add the Verm after? Didnt really measure the water either, I plan on dumping it to find field cap through a screen. I should be ok without the VERM, no? or should i waste the brick and do a different brick?

I also didn't have a candy therm, but dumped a rolling boil into a home depot bucket and then put a sleeping bag around it (yes, i used the rubber-lined top) for about an hour and a half. Havent mixed with spawn yet.


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22183751 - 09/03/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

if there is one thing that should be in EVERY grow, its vermiculite


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22183760 - 09/03/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Dammit. ok. Can i add it after pasteurization, or did i mess up


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22183798 - 09/03/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ive seen it done with success.

This is an example i found that is pure coir, cased with pure
verm

Definitely not optimal or best for water retention
but it will work

Edit: scroll to the top of that post. I linked it to
a random comment in the post on accident


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22183801 - 09/03/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Should have added before pasteurizing. You want to pasteurize the verm with the coir. If you're going to add unpasteurized verm to pasteurized coir, then you dont have pasteurized substrate. I have had plenty of successful grows with unpasteurized, in fact Damions5050 doesn't even call for proper pasteurization. Experience and wisdom has taught me to properly pasteurize every time. So its up to you, add the verm and use your unpasteurized substrate, or just start over.


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22183873 - 09/03/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Coir will work fine by itself. It actually holds quite a bit of water.


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: Kizzle]
    #22184049 - 09/03/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wait..... what is PROPER pasteurization then?


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22184065 - 09/03/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The bucket tek is technically partial
sterilization because you dump boiling water over
the coir.

So part of the coir goes over 170 which is the limit for safe
pasteurization.

Proper pasteurization is maintaining core temps of substrate
Between 140 and 160 for a bare minimum of 1 hour

You can get away with partially or fully sterilizing coir,
but not other subs like manure. That needs proper pasteurization


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: natedawgnow]
    #22184079 - 09/03/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Spot on. :congrats:


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: natedawgnow]
    #22184181 - 09/03/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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natedawgnow said:
The bucket tek is technically partial
sterilization because you dump boiling water over
the coir.

So part of the coir goes over 170 which is the limit for safe
pasteurization.

Proper pasteurization is maintaining core temps of substrate
Between 140 and 160 for a bare minimum of 1 hour

You can get away with partially or fully sterilizing coir,
but not other subs like manure. That needs proper pasteurization




cool kids do the bucket tek with 170 degree water, not boiling water


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22184266 - 09/03/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Lol is someone seriously suggesting to pasteurize verm in this thread?  I've added verm straight out of the bag to my already bucket-tek'd coir before with no problems.

I also sterilize my coir/verm every time now instead of bothering with pasteurization for coir.

Also his name is Damion5050.  There is no 50/50 anywhere except for casing mix.


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22184328 - 09/03/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This is the original elementary coir tek in which
he uses boiling water.

Ya, cron made a redeveloped version, but i was answering
their question on why the original is not proper pasteurization,
which is what i did.

Edit: maybe it was muda who did the bucket tek revisited.
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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22184337 - 09/03/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I was talking about this.

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iSmkGrnBud said:
Should have added before pasteurizing. You want to pasteurize the verm with the coir. If you're going to add unpasteurized verm to pasteurized coir, then you dont have pasteurized substrate.




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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22184346 - 09/03/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Munchauzen said:
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cool kids do the bucket tek with 170 degree water, not boiling water



I was replying to this, not you inoc:lol:


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: Inocuole]
    #22184357 - 09/03/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I was talking about this.

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Should have added before pasteurizing. You want to pasteurize the verm with the coir. If you're going to add unpasteurized verm to pasteurized coir, then you dont have pasteurized substrate.







I wasnt saying that the verm needs to be pasteurized (I mean I guess it does read that way, especially the unpasteurized verm part) but I was getting at that if he started with pasteurized coir and then added to it, technically it is no longer pasteurized. Proper pasteurization is not needed with coir/verm. Coir/verm is very contam resistant. I still like to properly pasteurize my sub though, ease of mind.


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22184418 - 09/03/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's sort of like saying the substrate isn't pasteurized anymore just because you added some gypsum.  :shrug:  Vermiculite is a mineral and doesn't harbor the same kinds of shit that organic matter does.


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: Inocuole]
    #22184472 - 09/03/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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That's sort of like saying the substrate isn't pasteurized anymore just because you added some gypsum.  :shrug:  Vermiculite is a mineral and doesn't harbor the same kinds of shit that organic matter does.




:bow2: Very well put. Thank you. I knew verm was a mineral, but didnt really think about it like that. I think of everything I work with as organic in this hobby so it just becomes second nature. Thanks for the clarification.


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22184483 - 09/03/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That said you may as well add it in with your pasteurization or sterilization.  I've used it out of the bag plenty of times, but it just makes more sense to get your field capacity and final substrate mixed before you apply the heat. :shrug:


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22186678 - 09/04/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've been using straight coir gypsum.  Seems like the same shit with or without the verm, and it's cheaper.

Can't scientifically back that up and say I did the same perfect isolate grow on both or anything, but it colonizes in like four days an 1:1.75 with my shit.

You can wring out excess water, though it's a bit off a pain in the ass.  Verm would be useful to nail the hydration.  Add it until field cap feels right.  No need to pasteurize.


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22187131 - 09/04/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)


strait up coir cased with strait up coir all sterilized, i can't complain:shrug:


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: cronicr]
    #22188097 - 09/04/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Water boils at 212, i put it in a bucket and wrapped it in like a 200 dollar sleeping bag. When i opened it after an hour and a half yesterday, it was still hot, and steamy. the top was a little softer than it was before, meaning it hadn't cooled too much

I can assume it stayed over 150*F, but i will take a proper internal temp when i get the chance.

although, i did boil 3 gallons of water, on 1 brick of coco coir, and 2 quarts of verm, it wasnt enough to cover all of the coir. Is this an issue, or can i just remove the coir that is dry? The instructions on the coir say to use 1-1/2gal, and i used three because of the verm as i planned to drain it..... Suggestions?


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22188137 - 09/04/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

mix it up and don't sweat it


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Re: Vermiculite coir bucket tek [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22188161 - 09/04/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sweet, i'll shake it every once and a while within the hour... Thanks! I figure opening it will let heat out which i dont want to do


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