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Mushroom honey
    #22183330 - 09/03/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hey all

So I havea couple pounds of mushrooms that are a bit on the weak side. Might need to eat double a typical dosage for a proper trip.

Was thinking about making some StRONG honey.. I want a teaspoon to be a relatively heavy trip.

So lets say I take a quart mason jar of honey and add as much ground mushrooms as I can in it, then eventually strain out the mushrooms and repeat.
Is this a good appoach? How long until its absorbed all the actives?

This kind of info appreciated! Lets discuss blue honey!


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: mushpunx]
    #22183433 - 09/03/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you, I can't tell you how many times I've forgotten to experiment with blue honey. I like the idea of straining the honey and just adding more fungus repeatedly.

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I'll add some speculation: straining ground up powder from thick honey may be difficult. Perhaps only chop them, not powderize.


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: Psilosopherr] * 1
    #22184352 - 09/03/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The way I always understood, was to throw rather largish chunks into the honey and leave them for a few weeks. The honey preserves the mushroom and leeches the chemicals into it, slowly purpling/blueing the honey of done right. Then you can take a spoonful of honey or two when you want. There is no reason that you could not pull the mushroom chunks out after two weeks, and add new fresh mushrooms. I do not know how dense you can ultimately make the honey though.


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22184529 - 09/03/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Can this be done with dried shrooms? Or do they have to be fresh?


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #22184542 - 09/03/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Can this be done with dried shrooms? Or do they have to be fresh?



I see no reason why they'd need to be fresh. If anything it might be preferable to use dry.


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22184661 - 09/03/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Is that from Fritz the cat in your avatar?

I think it can be made with fresh or dry.


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: mushpunx]
    #22185116 - 09/03/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22186106 - 09/04/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Whenever you're filtering the shroom honey, I'd probably heat up the jar after letting the mushrooms inside sit for a week or 2, if anything it'll help complete the mushroom extraction and also make it more liquid and runny so you can filter it much easier.

I'd also try and buy more of a runny honey instead of thick honey as that'll probably help. Instead of full on powderizing them, maybe just have them "shredded" where the mushroom pieces can easily be strained out through a metal strainer.


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: mushpunx]
    #22186238 - 09/04/15 01:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hey all

So I havea couple pounds of mushrooms that are a bit on the weak side. Might need to eat double a typical dosage for a proper trip.

Was thinking about making some StRONG honey.. I want a teaspoon to be a relatively heavy trip.

So lets say I take a quart mason jar of honey and add as much ground mushrooms as I can in it, then eventually strain out the mushrooms and repeat.
Is this a good appoach? How long until its absorbed all the actives?

This kind of info appreciated! Lets discuss blue honey!




Dry mushrooms are used in the tek because otherwise the honey gets full of water. The mushrooms start to rot.

Also, the mushroom bits--don't powder if you intend to strain the honey--have to stand in the honey for a couple of months to impart a phychedelic effect to it.


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: champinhom]
    #22187962 - 09/04/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Fresh mushrooms will get you blue honey, not dried. The chemical reaction that turns the mushrooms blue only happens when mushrooms are wet/fresh. I think the effect occurs due to osmosis, which again requires the presence of water.

Honey is a preservative, which protects fresh mushrooms from rotting


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: FractalMind]
    #22188057 - 09/04/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

oh god, two opposing claims. WHAT DO WE DO??!

I vote bicker :shitstorm:


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22188866 - 09/04/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hah

I think it can be done with either but maybe only fresh will turn it blue?


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: mushpunx]
    #22188966 - 09/04/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Turning blue is a sign of actives being oxidized,
so why would you want it to turn blue?

I would try whichever method that doesn't cause oxidation
if fresh and dry truly have a difference.


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: natedawgnow]
    #22191167 - 09/05/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Turning blue is a sign of actives being oxidized,
so why would you want it to turn blue?

I would try whichever method that doesn't cause oxidation
if fresh and dry truly have a difference.



do one of each to test it, and then even if dry works better always put a bit of fresh in there for color purposes

i mean its blue honey man. efficiency be damned


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: mushpunx]
    #22191838 - 09/05/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Would the fresh mushrooms add water to the honey ??


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: Maxwell smart]
    #22191843 - 09/05/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: Achillita]
    #22192016 - 09/05/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Honey can be dehydrated if it takes on too much water. Get a "fruit roll sheet" for your dehydrator. I know we all have one lol

Holy shit imagine dehydrated blue honey... If u could figure out a standard dose.. perfect mushroom candy :smile:


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: FractalMind]
    #22304564 - 09/28/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So I'm about to make my own blue honey for the first time. Thought I'd check back and ask the OP what he ended up doing and how it went?

I suppose it hasn't really been long enough to Know. From what I just read you should leave the fungus in there for at least a month :shrug:


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22304965 - 09/28/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I wonder if you could use the blue honey to make psychdelic mead:eek:


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: Achillita]
    #22304988 - 09/28/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Love the idea of this. you the bomb mushpunx !


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: Achillita]
    #22305284 - 09/28/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I wonder if you could use the blue honey to make psychdelic mead:eek:



now we're talkin. There's no part of the brewing process I'm aware of that would harm anything.

Plus there's a certain kind of honey, called mad honey I believe. It is made from certain flowers which cause the honey to have an intoxicating effect. Use THAT to make blue honey. And maybe take the result on to make mead :cheers:


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22306697 - 09/29/15 05:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That is a really cool idea! Oh man Im jealous I didn't think of it!
Somebody try it.

Any who, I haven't made my honey yet I got distracted. But I still have those 2lbs of mediocre mushrooms waiting for it, and now that its fall I can find a big jug of cheap honey when I go get pumpkins


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: mushpunx]
    #22306838 - 09/29/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

As an avid mead brewer, making mead out of blue honey is a thought that crossed my mind more than once! However, outside of the cool-factor, I think it's highly impractical.

First off, making the blue honey takes quite a bit of time. Maybe a few months even. Then making mead out of that can, again, take months to years. In that stretch of time, you could have easily grown, dried and used countless batches. The mead doesn't really carry any added benefits, so I don't see why you would go through the trouble.


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: mushpunx]
    #22306839 - 09/29/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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That is a really cool idea! Oh man Im jealous I didn't think of it!
Somebody try it.

Any who, I haven't made my honey yet I got distracted. But I still have those 2lbs of mediocre mushrooms waiting for it, and now that its fall I can find a big jug of cheap honey when I go get pumpkins



you might not need as much as you think. I filled a pint jar with one little bottle of honey.

the mushies were kind of floating but hopefully they'll sink when they get waterlogged


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22307296 - 09/29/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I made some honey a few months ago with dried cubensis.  I used 16 grams powdered and mixed it with honey.  Filled a half pint jar and let it sit.  The powder kept rising to the top so I would turn the jar like once or twice a day.  Now about 2 months later it seems to have stopped settling.

My only concern was this frothy layer I kept getting.  It reminded me of creamed honey which does go bad.  I opened like 2 days ago to check it out and it seems ok.  Was thinking about refrigerating it but I'm not sure.  I made it for long term storage, like 5-10 years or in case of apocalypse so hopefully it stays good.

Here is the thread from when I made it like 2 months ago.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21942816


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: fungusmuncher]
    #22308772 - 09/29/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think powdering the mushrooms is the best thing to do, I think you kinda wanna just break them into crumbs?


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: mushpunx]
    #22311332 - 09/29/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How would putting dry shrooms in honey do anything other than preserve the shrooms by saturating them with honey? How would you get blue honey from dried mushrooms? When you blend them up they don't turn blue, like fresh ones, so how would honey "leech" blue out of them? Makes no sense unless you use fresh mushrooms.


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22312918 - 09/30/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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How would putting dry shrooms in honey do anything other than preserve the shrooms by saturating them with honey? How would you get blue honey from dried mushrooms? When you blend them up they don't turn blue, like fresh ones, so how would honey "leech" blue out of them? Makes no sense unless you use fresh mushrooms.



psilocybin is more soluble in water than anything else. Honey contains water (I assume)


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22312979 - 09/30/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What does that mean


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22315500 - 09/30/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What does that mean




It means the psilocybin will leech out into the honey


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: mushpunx]
    #22316384 - 09/30/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I made blue honey once. I let it sit for over a year and it never turned blue. I used dry shrooms though. I don't think that the psilocybin was evenly distributed. I ate a bunch of it (should have been equivalent to 7 g of dry cubes) and I barely tripped off of it. IMO, it's better to just eat the shrooms without the honey.


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #24453983 - 07/03/17 08:52 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Honey contains much less water than you'd think:  how the 'essence' makes it into the honey is that the honey sucks the moisture out of anything you put in it that has MORE water than it does.  It pretty much *IS* how honey gets to be effective as a preservative:  it desiccates.

Any rotting would have to be the work of bacteria introduced WITH the shrooms AND too much moisture.  As the honey becomes less hygroscopic (ambient water-sponge-ish), the remaining moisture gets pulled out of the tissues but remains pooled around the tissues creating a 'rot zone'.  In a jar full of fresh shrooms w/ just enough honey to cover, the rot zone would quickly become the whole jar.

Makes sense that if you wanted to, you'd chunk the shrooms up then let them MOSTLY dry in minimal oxygen.  At that point I think you could add the shrooms to the honey at 50%+ honey & ~40% shroomage.  By keeping it stirred - and adding more honey to thicken as necessary - it seems like it ought to work out fine without the rot.

Only a thought experiment to keep the little gray cells awake...

Anybody try sclerotia in honey?

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    #24454142 - 07/03/17 10:18 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Wtf dude no.... Don't dredge up skeletons.

Start a new thread and carry over any info from this thread you want.

Total party foul.

Good topic that gets brought up regularly, however! Start a fresh one I'll add to it.


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    #24459868 - 07/05/17 06:01 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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Wtf dude no.... Don't dredge up skeletons.

Start a new thread and carry over any info from this thread you want.

Total party foul.

Good topic that gets brought up regularly, however! Start a fresh one I'll add to it.



I'm pretty sure you're just parroting what you've heard elsewhere. This hating on thread necromancy is needless nitpicking IMO.

I mean what harm is it doing? We spend far more time bitching about it than we do being inconvenienced by it. :lol:


That said I hate how much BS'ing and needless bumping takes place in long-term cultivation threads like the offical stone producer/pan threads among others. I have a thread in my journal that is simply all the relevant information from those MONSTER threads condensed down, its like a couple paragraphs :nonono:


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: Cranial Feature]
    #24459881 - 07/05/17 06:05 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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Honey contains much less water than you'd think:  how the 'essence' makes it into the honey is that the honey sucks the moisture out of anything you put in it that has MORE water than it does.  It pretty much *IS* how honey gets to be effective as a preservative:  it desiccates.

Any rotting would have to be the work of bacteria introduced WITH the shrooms AND too much moisture.  As the honey becomes less hygroscopic (ambient water-sponge-ish), the remaining moisture gets pulled out of the tissues but remains pooled around the tissues creating a 'rot zone'.  In a jar full of fresh shrooms w/ just enough honey to cover, the rot zone would quickly become the whole jar.

Makes sense that if you wanted to, you'd chunk the shrooms up then let them MOSTLY dry in minimal oxygen.  At that point I think you could add the shrooms to the honey at 50%+ honey & ~40% shroomage.  By keeping it stirred - and adding more honey to thicken as necessary - it seems like it ought to work out fine without the rot.

Only a thought experiment to keep the little gray cells awake...

Anybody try sclerotia in honey?

(such an old thread - hope this is sufficiently OT)



I like the way you phrased that, makes sense to me. I've still got my jar o' honey maybe I'll see how its going

Would be fairly practical, just re-heat to liquid state to use, or eat when dry obviously. Especially with how revered they were in the old world, that'd be worth some honey to preserve.


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Re: Mushroom honey [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #24459965 - 07/05/17 06:33 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Will this seriously work? Like if I take 3 grams and let them soak in the honey for lets say a week. Then remove shrooms and eat all the honey?

Seems easier to just grind the shrooms up, mix with juice and drink


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    #24460039 - 07/05/17 07:02 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

agreed, I've been reading "The wondrous mushroom" lately and it has a chapter about the mushroom stones from central america. Supposedly used to grind the mushroom up and mix with water to drink.


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    #24460213 - 07/05/17 08:20 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Ya, grinding them up helps your body break down the shrooms faster. Even chopping them in small pieces


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    #24460725 - 07/06/17 12:06 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Sure it's easier to grind it up and drink it but that gets boring after awhile...


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