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ShootinD5nukes
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: TNK]
#22191444 - 09/05/15 05:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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ShootinD5nukes said: yea illegals come here to get hand outs. When they come here they get 10 grand and they send it back to cuba. pieces of shit.
Where is this 10,000 grand thing coming from?
Source yourself.
I don't know where I can find that information online but call the coast guard. We call them alot about piece of shit cubans landing and they said the reason is once they get to land they get $10,000. If you really want a source for this call them.
Officer in Charge USCG Station Marathon 1800 Overseas Highway Marathon, FL 33050-2199 Tel. 305-743-1945
Why the hell would I make this up? In fact call anyone in south Florida and I bet they know about this rule, it's no secret here.
Also I don't know exactly where the 10,000 comes from I never asked. I'm sure you'll find out it's coming strait from our government from the tax payers.
Edit: Found it
Google wet foot dry foot 10,000
http://saveaward2011.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Eliminate-wet-foot-dry-foot-policy/284802-10760
"Every year thousands of Cubans gain entry to the U.S. and are paid $10,000 for making it."
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: ShootinD5nukes]
#22191458 - 09/05/15 05:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Without Cuban refugees there wouldnt have been a scarface, which in turn would lead to gta vice city never getting made.. u are a fan of vice city and scarface are u not?..
We might not even have gta5 or any of the other trilogies, ps3 and 4 probably wouldn't even exist either, among other things.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: lowbrow]
#22191490 - 09/05/15 06:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Except, no. Any illegal collecting a paycheck does pay income (and all other deducted taxes) taxes. And as with anyone (even citizens) getting paid under the table with cash, they do not.
No, they don't. When given the option to have taxes taken out, they pick no. If you ever see an illegal's pay check, its substantially larger than a legal co-workers.
You don't have that option. Withholding has been mandatory since 1943.
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During World War II, Congress introduced payroll withholding and quarterly tax payments with the vote of the Current Tax Payment Act of 1943
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In the United States, withholding by employers of tax on wages is required by the federal, most state, and some local governments. Taxes withheld include federal income tax,[3] Social Security and Medicare taxes,[4] state income tax, and certain other levies by a few states.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_withholding_in_the_United_States#Withholding_on_wages
Try again.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22191501 - 09/05/15 06:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Good anecdote. Also bullshit. All your farm workers are U.S. Citizens? You check citizenship? You know that is a violation of labor laws!
Regardless, more than half of farm labor in the U.S. Is undocumented.
which is still illegal
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lowbrow said: Yes. Wage goes up and Americans get hired instead.
That is questionable. It hasn't proven to be true when states have cracked down on illegals. The U.S. Is currently at near full employment - the level of unemployment that is considered optimal for balancing labor supply and demand. There isn't a ready supply of Americans to take these low wage jobs.
these so called crack downs are catch and release, it's not much of a crackdown if the arent deported which leaves them in the labor pool and it maintains the low, stagnating wages. if there was in fact a crackdown wouldnt those illegals be deported, certainly if 500,000 illegals were deported from a single state the unemployment rate would drop since there then becomes and abundance of jobs available and at the point that you have so many employers that are competing for labor wouldnt they try to offer something better than those that are also seeking
of course you'll try to obfuscate it by saying there's no proof that deporting illegals will raise wages, I mean how could there possibly be proof
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061214/NEWS/61214005/-1/SPORTS09 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_raids#Responses_and_aftermath
A 2009 study reported that Swift was paying better wages because of the need to attract new workers.
What a horrible result!
the Marshalltown plant raised its starting wage from $9.55 to $11.50 in an attempt to fill the vacancies
OH NO!
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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ShootinD5nukes
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: zZZz]
#22191805 - 09/05/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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zZZz said: Without Cuban refugees there wouldnt have been a scarface, which in turn would lead to gta vice city never getting made.. u are a fan of vice city and scarface are u not?..
We might not even have gta5 or any of the other trilogies, ps3 and 4 probably wouldn't even exist either, among other things.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: ShootinD5nukes]
#22191910 - 09/05/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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ShootinD5nukes said: yea illegals come here to get hand outs. When they come here they get 10 grand and they send it back to cuba. pieces of shit.
Where is this 10,000 grand thing coming from?
Source yourself.
I don't know where I can find that information online but call the coast guard. We call them alot about piece of shit cubans landing and they said the reason is once they get to land they get $10,000. If you really want a source for this call them.
Officer in Charge USCG Station Marathon 1800 Overseas Highway Marathon, FL 33050-2199 Tel. 305-743-1945
Why the hell would I make this up? In fact call anyone in south Florida and I bet they know about this rule, it's no secret here.
Also I don't know exactly where the 10,000 comes from I never asked. I'm sure you'll find out it's coming strait from our government from the tax payers.
Edit: Found it
Google wet foot dry foot 10,000
http://saveaward2011.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Eliminate-wet-foot-dry-foot-policy/284802-10760
"Every year thousands of Cubans gain entry to the U.S. and are paid $10,000 for making it."
your source is an online petition to end an urban legend?
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22191926 - 09/05/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Except, no. Any illegal collecting a paycheck does pay income (and all other deducted taxes) taxes. And as with anyone (even citizens) getting paid under the table with cash, they do not.
No, they don't. When given the option to have taxes taken out, they pick no. If you ever see an illegal's pay check, its substantially larger than a legal co-workers.
You don't have that option. Withholding has been mandatory since 1943.
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During World War II, Congress introduced payroll withholding and quarterly tax payments with the vote of the Current Tax Payment Act of 1943
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In the United States, withholding by employers of tax on wages is required by the federal, most state, and some local governments. Taxes withheld include federal income tax,[3] Social Security and Medicare taxes,[4] state income tax, and certain other levies by a few states.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_withholding_in_the_United_States#Withholding_on_wages
Try again.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#22192021 - 09/05/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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His claim was that illegals and citizens were treated differently.
Thanks for helping to demonstrate they are not.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22192289 - 09/05/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: His claim was that illegals and citizens were treated differently.
Thanks for helping to demonstrate they are not.
I didn't say that. You said that.
You'll say anything to win even when your wrong, huh?
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22192332 - 09/05/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: His claim was that illegals and citizens were treated differently.
Thanks for helping to demonstrate they are not.
no, he said that when they have the choice the illegals tend to opt out of paying taxes
I demonstrated that your claim that they dont have the choice of opting out was false
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22192342 - 09/05/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's actually legal for civilian militias to defend America's borders. When I say defend, I mean shoot and kill.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: Shiithead]
#22192348 - 09/05/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shiithead said: It's actually legal for civilian militias to defend America's borders. When I say defend, I mean shoot and kill.
I need an actual demonstration, would you care to show us. we have 2 large borders that open to other countries, choose either one and start shooting
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: lowbrow]
#22192427 - 09/05/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: His claim was that illegals and citizens were treated differently.
Thanks for helping to demonstrate they are not.
I didn't say that. You said that.
You'll say anything to win even when your wrong, huh?
Really?
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Illegals do not pay income tax, HOWEVER, anybody else who is a citizen of the US and receives a corporate pay check most definitely pays income tax no matter how little they make.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22187549/vc/1#22187549
I guess it must be the 'other' lowbrow. 
Liar.
You'll say anything to win even when your wrong, huh?
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22192430 - 09/05/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: His claim was that illegals and citizens were treated differently.
Thanks for helping to demonstrate they are not.
no, he said that when they have the choice the illegals tend to opt out of paying taxes
I demonstrated that your claim that they dont have the choice of opting out was false
He said nothing about opting out. Perhaps you'd do well to actually know what you're talking about before beclowning yourself.
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Illegals do not pay income tax, HOWEVER, anybody else who is a citizen of the US and receives a corporate pay check most definitely pays income tax no matter how little they make.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22187549/vc/1#22187549
Try again Spanky.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22192456 - 09/05/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/
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More than half of the nation's immigrants receive some kind of government welfare, a figure that's far higher than the native-born population's, according to a report to be released Wednesday.
About 51% of immigrant-led households receive at least one kind of welfare benefit, including Medicaid, food stamps, school lunches and housing assistance, compared to 30% for native-led households, according to the report from the Center for Immigration Studies, a group that advocates for lower levels of immigration.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22192479 - 09/05/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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your source is an online petition to end an urban legend?
wet foot dry foot is not an urban legend. Do research then reply.
"According to the National Boat Owner’s Association, more vessels are stolen from South Florida then are taken from the rest of the country combined. Many of these boats are used to ferry Cuban refugees into Mexico and Florida. These practices are accentuated by an Immigration and Customs Enforcement policy called “Wet Foot/ Dry Foot,” a 1995 revision by the Clinton Administration to the 1966 Cuban Adjustment Act. This policy basically says that anyone fleeing Cuba, enroot to the U. S., would be awarded expedited permanent resident status provided they have put at least one foot on American soil, thus the term “Dry-Foot.” Those captured at sea would be returned with the label “Wet -Foot.” A more recent trend has been occurring where refugees are smuggled in through Mexico, such as in Lazaro's case, and then into Texas. The classification for these is, ironically, “Dusty-Foot.” In addition to their new immigration status, refuges are also awarded an average of $ 10,000 per person plus an adjustment stipend."
http://trcimino.com/index.php/dry-feet
Also read
http://www.petition2congress.com/6553/end-wet-foot-dry-foot-policy/view/
"At $9000.00 a head, free Medicaid and Social Security, many Cuban immigrants DON'T EVEN NEED A JOB to survive. In South Florida the overall mentality is if you come to America, everything is free. Perfect example: a group of Cuban immigrants spent the night partying and fishing off a bridge in the Keys (refusing to pay for accommodations, refusing to contribute to the local economy). The battery died in their new Hummer from playing music. They expected the police to give them a jump. They were politely told no, pay for a tow truck or call a friend. This caused a flood of harassing calls to the police, stating they were being denied their rights. While this is only one example, it represents the all-too-common mentality of this group. Every time a fisherman is caught raping our resources, taking undersized or multiple fish? Cuban. A large group goes out on their $50,000 boat and it breaks down? Hell no, Cubans don't want to pay for Sea Tow, they expect the Coast Guard to rescue them (although they find out quickly that they won't, and have every family member call 911 screaming in Spanish that they demand free assistance). I have a million of these stories. I am disgusted with this policy being allowed to continue. No warning, cancel it immediately or they will literally rush the border, causing a dangerous situation to Key's residents. Short of sounding racist, teach them how to be American if they are already here. But stop promoting this idiotic policy and secure our border in South Florida!!!"
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22192577 - 09/05/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Illegals do not pay income tax, HOWEVER, anybody else who is a citizen of the US and receives a corporate pay check most definitely pays income tax no matter how little they make.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22187549/vc/1#22187549
I guess it must be the 'other' lowbrow. 
Liar.
You'll say anything to win even when your wrong, huh?
I still don't see what your talking about. I was referencing that most of them will opt out of the income tax. Can you take your immature sophistry somewhere else?
It's rather annoying and this is a thread for mature discussion not taking another's posts out of context to win an argument.
How childish.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: lowbrow]
#22192632 - 09/05/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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lowbrow said: I still don't see what your talking about. I was referencing that most of them will opt out of the income tax.
*Bullshit*
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Illegals do not pay income tax, HOWEVER, anybody else who is a citizen of the US and receives a corporate pay check most definitely pays income tax no matter how little they make.
Man up. You said what you said. It was wrong throughout.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: koods]
#22192651 - 09/05/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't fucking tell me what to do.
I don't even bitch about illegal immigrants, but I'm about to start and it's all your fault, koods.
I'm a pretty hardcore rebel.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22193365 - 09/05/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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lowbrow said: I still don't see what your talking about. I was referencing that most of them will opt out of the income tax.
*Bullshit*
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Illegals do not pay income tax, HOWEVER, anybody else who is a citizen of the US and receives a corporate pay check most definitely pays income tax no matter how little they make.
Man up. You said what you said. It was wrong throughout.
Nowhere in any of my posts did I say what you said. Any misinterpretation on your part is just fanciful delusions.
Please quit taking what I said out of context, its fuckin lame.
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