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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: ShootinD5nukes]
#22188930 - 09/04/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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ShootinD5nukes said: yea illegals come here to get hand outs. When they come here they get 10 grand and they send it back to cuba. pieces of shit.
Where is this 10,000 grand thing coming from?
Source yourself.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: TNK]
#22189872 - 09/04/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here in So Cal there are an awful lot of immigrant success stories. Many come here and start very successful businesses and invest their earnings locally.
That said there are also many who abuse our social service system as well.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: Webster10]
#22189910 - 09/04/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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zZZz said: That's funny
How is it funny it's a disgrace.
It's funny to him because he isn't paying for it.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: nicechrisman] 1
#22189914 - 09/04/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: Here in So Cal there are an awful lot of immigrant success stories. Many come here and start very successful businesses and invest their earnings locally.
That said there are also many who abuse our social service system as well.
Illegal immigrants are not immigrants.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: D.M.T]
#22190009 - 09/04/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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True dat. And there is still the issue with many of the successful Immigrants here who send their money out of the country to their families instead of spending it in their community.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: nicechrisman]
#22190017 - 09/04/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: But what would that do to food costs?
Nothing!! The best argument liberals have for the invasion is that fruit prices MIGHT go higher if a illegal immigrant couldn't work in the fields, fucking ridiculous. People that mention that should be completely ashamed of themselves (koods).
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: qman]
#22190070 - 09/04/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's silly to disregard this is Liberal sensationalism. Who do you think picks and processes all that food?
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: nicechrisman]
#22190147 - 09/04/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: It's silly to disregard this is Liberal sensationalism. Who do you think picks and processes all that food?
It's immaterial. Do you think Americans could afford a Apple product if manufactured in the US?
Guess what? Americans never had a problem obtaining food 40 years ago before the invasion, how was that so?
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: qman] 1
#22190407 - 09/04/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: But what would that do to food costs?
Nothing!! The best argument liberals have for the invasion is that fruit prices MIGHT go higher if a illegal immigrant couldn't work in the fields, fucking ridiculous. People that mention that should be completely ashamed of themselves (koods).
ueah. The fruit will magically pick themselves. What do you think happens to an industry if half its labor force disappears? Do you know what a labor shortage is? Do you understand what happens when supply shrinks and demand doesn't?
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: koods] 1
#22190431 - 09/04/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes. Wage goes up and Americans get hired instead.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: lowbrow]
#22190436 - 09/04/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Everyone who picks the fruit where I live is a US citizen, including the people who do exactly that on my farm.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: D.M.T]
#22190474 - 09/04/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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D.M.T said: Everyone who picks the fruit where I live is a US citizen, including the people who do exactly that on my farm.
Great news!! Koods thought that US citzens would experience starvation is illegals didn't work the fields.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: koods]
#22190484 - 09/04/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: But what would that do to food costs?
Nothing!! The best argument liberals have for the invasion is that fruit prices MIGHT go higher if a illegal immigrant couldn't work in the fields, fucking ridiculous. People that mention that should be completely ashamed of themselves (koods).
ueah. The fruit will magically pick themselves. What do you think happens to an industry if half its labor force disappears? Do you know what a labor shortage is? Do you understand what happens when supply shrinks and demand doesn't?
Plenty of labor in the US, it's just a matter of "what cost". We all know you're a huge supporter of high profit margins at the expense of the US worker, good job.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: lowbrow]
#22190490 - 09/04/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good anecdote. Also bullshit. All your farm workers are U.S. Citizens? You check citizenship? You know that is a violation of labor laws!
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lowbrow said: Yes. Wage goes up and Americans get hired instead.
That is questionable. It hasn't proven to be true when states have cracked down on illegals. The U.S. Is currently at near full employment - the level of unemployment that is considered optimal for balancing labor supply and demand. There isn't a ready supply of Americans to take these low wage jobs.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: qman]
#22190492 - 09/04/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What's more is the people re-selling my produce are selling it cheaper than those selling off of slave labor (ie. Driscoll's/BerryMex)
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: D.M.T]
#22190553 - 09/04/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Good anecdote. Also bullshit. All your farm workers are U.S. Citizens? You check citizenship? You know that is a violation of labor laws!
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lowbrow said: Yes. Wage goes up and Americans get hired instead.
That is questionable. It hasn't proven to be true when states have cracked down on illegals. The U.S. Is currently at near full employment - the level of unemployment that is considered optimal for balancing labor supply and demand. There isn't a ready supply of Americans to take these low wage jobs.
"The U.S Is currently at near full employment"
That's a very irresponsible statement, I'm sorry but you have no business being a Mod on this site, disgraceful and a total embrassment, you should be ashamed of yourself.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: koods]
#22190580 - 09/04/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Good anecdote. Also bullshit. All your farm workers are U.S. Citizens? You check citizenship? You know that is a violation of labor laws!
It's called an I-9 form. All employers must file them. If you can't provide a birth certificate or social security card I'm not hiring you. It would be against the law if I did. Furthermore, it doesn't take any sort of investigating to tell these guys are citizens.
The only non-US citizen I've had was a guy from Belize. He was legally eligible to work in the US though. Recently he decided to move states pending a divorce with his wife and I gave his new employer a good reference.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: luvdemshrooms] 1
#22190919 - 09/04/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Illegals do not pay income tax, HOWEVER, anybody else who is a citizen of the US and receives a corporate pay check most definitely pays income tax no matter how little they make.
Except, no. Any illegal collecting a paycheck does pay income (and all other deducted taxes) taxes. And as with anyone (even citizens) getting paid under the table with cash, they do not.
and those working for a paycheck are doing so under someone else's info which is identity theft, this undeclared income on someone else's documents fucks up the citizen tax payer often costing them countless headaches and financial losses
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22190964 - 09/04/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well that sucks
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: koods]
#22190967 - 09/04/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Good anecdote. Also bullshit. All your farm workers are U.S. Citizens? You check citizenship? You know that is a violation of labor laws!
Regardless, more than half of farm labor in the U.S. Is undocumented.
which is still illegal
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lowbrow said: Yes. Wage goes up and Americans get hired instead.
That is questionable. It hasn't proven to be true when states have cracked down on illegals. The U.S. Is currently at near full employment - the level of unemployment that is considered optimal for balancing labor supply and demand. There isn't a ready supply of Americans to take these low wage jobs.
these so called crack downs are catch and release, it's not much of a crackdown if the arent deported which leaves them in the labor pool and it maintains the low, stagnating wages. if there was in fact a crackdown wouldnt those illegals be deported, certainly if 500,000 illegals were deported from a single state the unemployment rate would drop since there then becomes and abundance of jobs available and at the point that you have so many employers that are competing for labor wouldnt they try to offer something better than those that are also seeking
of course you'll try to obfuscate it by saying there's no proof that deporting illegals will raise wages, I mean how could there possibly be proof
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